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2   Booger   2020 May 20, 3:29pm  

If I can't take my usual vacation on the Jersey shore, I'll go someplace that's actually open.
3   Shaman   2020 May 20, 3:34pm  

personal
4   NuttBoxer   2020 May 20, 11:52pm  

Same lesson NY should learn from Tokyo, US should learn from Sweden, etc, etc.
5   Booger   2020 May 21, 3:21am  

HEYYOU says
"That shift can happen quickly. The numbers out of Texas and Florida, for instance, are not nearly as heartening as Georgia’s.


Fake news for sad Democrats to read.
6   rdm   2020 May 21, 11:15am  

This may be part of the reason the numbers are not rising. People are afraid and it seems a lot are not working. Unfortunately, It is going to be very difficult to get the economy back on track until we get a good therapeutic treatment or vaccine.

Politico: “Georgia’s early move to start easing stay-at-home restrictions nearly a month ago has done little to stem the state’s flood of unemployment claims — illustrating how hard it is to bring jobs back while consumers are still afraid to go outside.”

“Weekly applications for jobless benefits have remained so elevated that Georgia now leads the country in terms of the proportion of its workforce applying for unemployment assistance. A staggering 40.3% of the state’s workers — two out of every five — has filed for unemployment insurance payments since the coronavirus pandemic led to widespread shutdowns in mid-March.”Politico: “Georgia’s early move to start easing stay-at-home restrictions nearly a month ago has done little to stem the state’s flood of unemployment claims — illustrating how hard it is to bring jobs back while consumers are still afraid to go outside.”

“Weekly applications for jobless benefits have remained so elevated that Georgia now leads the country in terms of the proportion of its workforce applying for unemployment assistance. A staggering 40.3% of the state’s workers — two out of every five — has filed for unemployment insurance payments since the coronavirus pandemic led to widespread shutdowns in mid-March.”
7   Booger   2020 May 21, 3:02pm  

In Pennsylvania:
8   Booger   2020 May 21, 3:04pm  

rdm says
Politico: “Georgia’s early move to start easing stay-at-home restrictions nearly a month ago has done little to stem the state’s flood of unemployment claims — illustrating how hard it is to bring jobs back while consumers are still afraid to go outside.”


We need more details here, or else this is fake news.
9   Tenpoundbass   2020 May 21, 3:16pm  

In blue states?

"Moar Lockdowns!"
10   mell   2020 May 21, 5:16pm  

rdm says
This may be part of the reason the numbers are not rising. People are afraid and it seems a lot are not working. Unfortunately, It is going to be very difficult to get the economy back on track until we get a good therapeutic treatment or vaccine.


What? lol, the only thing we need is for people to turn off their TVs and stop reading fake leftoid lamestream media TDS newspapers, then their fear will gradually dissolve and they will have fun working in a brimming economy again. Nothing else is needed, we deal with colds and flus every year without shutting down the economy. Once they realize they have been duped the Trump economy will come roaring back. The stock market is foretelling it.
11   rdm   2020 May 22, 6:27pm  

mell says
What? lol, the only thing we need is for people to turn off their TVs and stop reading fake leftoid lamestream media TDS newspapers,


Just follow the leaders direction and his propaganda rags, eh? No thanks.
12   mell   2020 May 22, 7:09pm  

rdm says
mell says
What? lol, the only thing we need is for people to turn off their TVs and stop reading fake leftoid lamestream media TDS newspapers,


Just follow the leaders direction and his propaganda rags, eh? No thanks.


You don't have to follow anybody. Just use common sense. It's been clear for a while now that we don't need any lockdowns, just enjoy your life.
13   rdm   2020 May 22, 8:38pm  

mell says
It's been clear for a while now that we don't need any lockdowns, just enjoy your life.


So your position is what? the virus has burnt its self out? That social distancing, hand washing, mask wearing are not and never were needed? no restrictions are needed? Lets just go back to February and make America great again?
14   AD   2020 May 22, 9:51pm  

Booger says

We need more details here, or else this is fake news.


This is today's view of the lines of traffic with Illinois, Georgia, Kentucky, Indiana, etc. license plates trying to get into Panama City Beach, FL.

Look at the web cams for beach bars and restaurants like Sharky's and Pineapple Willies: https://wpct.beachtv.tv/p/AjuSoN9J

You will see a lot of people not afraid to be outside their homes.

15   mell   2020 May 22, 11:44pm  

rdm says
mell says
It's been clear for a while now that we don't need any lockdowns, just enjoy your life.


So your position is what? the virus has burnt its self out? That social distancing, hand washing, mask wearing are not and never were needed? no restrictions are needed? Lets just go back to February and make America great again?


The initial 15 days trial to make sure hospitals don't overload were ok, masks inside are ok if required by the owner but they had that right before anyways. Better hygiene, distancing, frequent hand washing and bit touching your face I'm all on board with. I'm opposing the lockdowns and masks mandated outside, both not necessary and unconstitutional.
16   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2020 May 23, 12:28am  

mell says
rdm says
mell says
It's been clear for a while now that we don't need any lockdowns, just enjoy your life.


So your position is what? the virus has burnt its self out? That social distancing, hand washing, mask wearing are not and never were needed? no restrictions are needed? Lets just go back to February and make America great again?


The initial 15 days trial to make sure hospitals don't overload were ok, masks inside are ok if required by the owner but they had that right before anyways. Better hygiene, distancing, frequent hand washing and bit touching your face I'm all on board with. I'm opposing the lockdowns and masks mandated outside, both not necessary and unconstitutional.


This all makes sense. I swear the inmates are running the asylum here in California. Thank God President Trump said we will just have to tough it out through any future waves.
18   joshuatrio   2020 May 23, 6:00am  

ThreeBays says
Georgia defies science deniers, and is surging in cases since May 11. Just took a while to show up due to test reporting lag.



I already addressed what you claim is an giant second wave. A rise of 100 per day for a week, then a sharp drop is not a second wave.

Like you just said, it's likely due to a lag in reporting and even likely due to the jump in testing GA does now
19   Shaman   2020 May 23, 6:04am  

ThreeBays says
Georgia defies science deniers, and is surging in cases since May 11. Just took a while to show up due to test reporting lag.



Science says herd immunity is the only way to stop a virus. Why do you reject science?
20   Eman   2020 May 23, 8:03am  

Shaman says
Science says herd immunity is the only way to stop a virus. Why do you reject science?


This is our answer to the virus, herd immunity. The weak and the cowards can continue to SIP at their own will. Open America Now. THIS IS THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE. Cowards are free to move elsewhere.
21   rdm   2020 May 23, 8:04am  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
Better hygiene, distancing, frequent hand washing and bit touching your face I'm all on board with. I'm opposing the lockdowns and masks mandated outside, both not necessary and unconstitutional.


pretty much agree and that seems to be where we are heading. And Into having widespread, simmering disease, at least over the summer. The snags are going to be "gatherings" of people sports, church, certain professions etc
22   rdm   2020 May 23, 8:07am  

E-man says
THIS IS THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE. Cowards are free to move elsewhere.


Barf
23   Onvacation   2020 May 23, 8:27am  

rdm says
E-man says
THIS IS THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE. Cowards are free to move elsewhere.


Barf

Yeah, take your toxic masculinity, put a mask on it, and stay inside. There are some snowflakes that get upset when you point out American exceptionalism.
24   WookieMan   2020 May 23, 8:35am  

joshuatrio says
I already addressed what you claim is an giant second wave. A rise of 100 per day for a week, then a sharp drop is not a second wave.

Like you just said, it's likely due to a lag in reporting and even likely due to the jump in testing GA does now

Also remember when you're one of the few open states people will tend to go there. Georgia has some beautiful lakes you can rent homes on and spend an awesome week there. We almost went ourselves, but TN was just closer.

My wife just went to Indiana Thursday with some friends overnight because they were more open than IL. The earlier states that opened back up should do much better financially.

Also, I don't get the focus on cases. More testing will result in more cases statistically. The fact GA is down from the peak, means it's probably done there. Deaths are really the only thing that matter at this point. If we can treat it better, more like the common flu, than deaths are really the only thing that matter. They are plummeting.....
25   Tenpoundbass   2020 May 23, 9:06am  

Yesterday I was reading some study that said the data used to open the state of Georgia was flawed and they should have never reopen.
The article never did reconcile the fact that there hasn't been a resurgence.

Liberals are disingenuous cock suckers through and through straight down to the bone.
26   Onvacation   2020 May 23, 9:09am  

WookieMan says
Deaths are really the only thing that matter at this point.

Deaths are the ONLY thing that ever mattered. We all have survived the flu and colds like corona before. This was to be a KILLER. MILLIONS were going to DIE! If we did not shelter in place for two weeks and flatten the curve hospitals would be OVERWHELMED! Millions would still die but they would be spread out over time.

Two and a half months later, we are still on house restriction, not even a hundred thousand have died, and instead of opening the economy, they have changed the goal to eliminating the "invisible enemy".

They are planning on a "new normal" where everyone wears a mask and stays six feet from everyone else. Restaurants, bars, sporting events, schools, all have to be reconfigured to avoid human contact.

FUCK THAT!

Wear your mask, hide in your home, if you are so afraid of dying, crawl into your hole and let the rest of us be free to live.
27   WookieMan   2020 May 23, 9:12am  

Tenpoundbass says
Liberals are disingenuous cock suckers through and through straight down to the bone.

There's almost zero deaths at that last data point. They could be off by a magnitude of 5 and the deaths have still plummeted from the peak AND they're open. So sick of seeing government and people reporting cases when they're fucking testing more. It's disingenuous. Dead people are the only thing that matter in the conversation and they're literally almost seeing zero deaths a day at this point. But hey... positive cases....

We're going to get to the point that there are just too many people that have COVID-19. It won't even be about the loss of life. Just too many people have it. It's coming....
28   WookieMan   2020 May 23, 11:43am  

ThreeBays says
We can't confirm a "sharp drop" due to the reporting lag. The rise was concealed for quite a while.

Stop focusing on new cases as there's more testing! This isn't complicated. I just posted a graph from the same source for deaths. That IS the scary part of this virus and it's clearly going away. Even if the numbers are way off, it most certainly is dropping and by a lot. #CasesDon'tMatter #GAOpen
29   Onvacation   2020 May 23, 12:12pm  

I might have had COVID-19. I'll never know because I was never tested.
30   joshuatrio   2020 May 23, 2:20pm  

It's pretty steady down here. Plenty of traffic again.

What's funny is that rush hour doesn't really start in the morning as people are going in a lot later. Coming home I was in 2 jams the other day.
31   mell   2020 May 23, 2:34pm  

Over the years unless it's magically going away probably up to 50% of the population will at some point come in contact with it. Move on and live your life. Get over it.
32   rdm   2020 May 23, 6:13pm  

ThreeBays says
Given the lag we should not expect the deaths graph to reflect a second wave for at least another week.


Ah it doesn't really matter does it? Why bother with the graphs, facts, science? Who the fuck cares if a bunch of old useless pieces of dried up shit croak in a nursing home, we've moved past that point. Its about Jesus, abortion and being able to go the Olive Garden whenever and however we feel the urgent need for unlimited bread sticks in other words, FREEDOM. The rest of the pussies that make up this country can just eat shit and die. I got my hydroxy, my clorox injection and my government cheese. So just piss off bitches.
33   Shaman   2020 May 23, 6:35pm  

rdm says
Who the fuck cares if a bunch of old useless pieces of dried up shit croak in a nursing home,


They’re going to die of something, might as well be the Rona
34   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 May 24, 8:46am  

rdm says
Ah it doesn't really matter does it? Why bother with the graphs, facts, science? Who the fuck cares if a bunch of old useless pieces of dried up shit croak in a nursing home, we've moved past that point. Its about Jesus, abortion and being able to go the Olive Garden whenever and however we feel the urgent need for unlimited bread sticks in other words, FREEDOM. The rest of the pussies that make up this country can just eat shit and die. I got my hydroxy, my clorox injection and my government cheese. So just piss off bitches.


The people ponying up the graphs, facts, science in this thread and others are the Shutdown Skeptics.

Shutdown Advocates are simply making arguments from authorities, authorities whose models and theories are already proven beyond wrong by the actual observations from the real world.

I'm sorry this isn't the Crisis of Capitalism and Trump Busting atrocity for you.
35   Onvacation   2020 May 24, 9:25am  

rdm says
Its about Jesus, abortion and being able to go the Olive Garden whenever and however we feel the urgent need for unlimited bread sticks in other words, FREEDOM. The rest of the pussies that make up this country can just eat shit and die. I got my hydroxy, my clorox injection and my government cheese. So just piss off bitches.

There's pills for that:



Or when you need MAGA strength:

36   WookieMan   2020 May 24, 1:28pm  

ThreeBays says
Given the lag we should not expect the deaths graph to reflect a second wave for at least another week.

Not true at all. Anyone needing or receiving critical care, close to death, has likely been tested days if not weeks ago. Basically there's a high probability that we know when someone passes if they have COVID-19 or not. Those numbers cannot lag as much as fresh cases.

And if people are dying before results get back, then they were basically dead anyway. COVID-19 likely wasn't the cause. This is all pretty basic stuff.
37   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 May 24, 7:36pm  

ThreeBays says
The shutdown skeptics put up graphs of the case trend, and then when the same graphs surged up suddenly those graphs are no longer valid. I wonder when the death graph starts trending up what the new arguments will be?


Uh, The moving average for Georgia has been trending downwards sharply for 3 weeks now, according to this graph in this post just above:
https://patrick.net/post/1332334/?c=1672383
38   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 May 24, 7:39pm  

And here's another source, showing the same.




The plateau was over a month ago.
39   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 May 24, 7:42pm  

Another thing we learned: The US Health Care System dealt with COVID better than Western Europe:

40   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 May 24, 7:45pm  

And finally, lockdowns didn't work to prevent the spread:


The US, Sweden, and UK were all effected about the same time (Western Europe was a week or so earlier)

Sweden, which didn't lockdown, only mild social distancing enforced and large public events cancelled, experienced the same trend as the US and UK, which did

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