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Complete CORONAPLAGUE Shutdowns Were Not Necessary
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2020 May 3, 10:56am 820 views 8 comments
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Ceffer
2020 May 3, 11:48am
Ceffer
2020 May 3, 11:48am
willywonka says
Give credit where credit is due. He is bought and sold white coat hack beholden to specific political and industrial goals. He will crush anything that is effective if it does not serve those goals.
Fauci is an imbecile.
Give credit where credit is due. He is bought and sold white coat hack beholden to specific political and industrial goals. He will crush anything that is effective if it does not serve those goals.
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marcus
2020 May 3, 2:43pm
marcus
2020 May 3, 2:43pm
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Exactly how much difference is there between what sweden did and what we did ?
It's ironic in my opinion that a more socialist government where a vast majority are going to trust and follow the governments "suggestions" on social distancing is able to have a more nuanced and complex approach.
Still I'm asking the question. Is it 2/3 ? or 3/4 ?? 80% Just how much of our shut down do you think they did ? (even if it was less forced?)
And as a lot of our states are going back, their people, who are much more trusting of their govt that's not so dysfunctional and polarizing, will do well with the transition back too.
It's sad really, that we can't have nice things (like a government that's not sick).
The good news is that as different places do different things, everyone learns.
Exactly how much difference is there between what sweden did and what we did ?
It's ironic in my opinion that a more socialist government where a vast majority are going to trust and follow the governments "suggestions" on social distancing is able to have a more nuanced and complex approach.
Still I'm asking the question. Is it 2/3 ? or 3/4 ?? 80% Just how much of our shut down do you think they did ? (even if it was less forced?)
And as a lot of our states are going back, their people, who are much more trusting of their govt that's not so dysfunctional and polarizing, will do well with the transition back too.
It's sad really, that we can't have nice things (like a government that's not sick).
The good news is that as different places do different things, everyone learns.
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WookieMan
2020 May 3, 3:23pm
WookieMan
2020 May 3, 3:23pm
After a few failed attempts we finally got out of IL. Get out of blue states. The difference is staggering. Florida didn’t work out so we decided on Tennessee. Just spent six hours on Norris Lake for 6 hours. Bars/restaurants open. Here till Thursday.
I don’t know. Can’t rob our future to save the elderly. Was good to feel normal again. Oh, and rough guess was 50-60% of the patrons were 60+. We can’t stop it. Boomers are stubborn. We need to drop ANY restriction. Period.
I don’t know. Can’t rob our future to save the elderly. Was good to feel normal again. Oh, and rough guess was 50-60% of the patrons were 60+. We can’t stop it. Boomers are stubborn. We need to drop ANY restriction. Period.
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Bd6r
2020 May 3, 4:41pm
Bd6r
2020 May 3, 4:41pm
marcus says
A lot, I believe. They did not shut down anything other than large public gatherings (>50 people), and universities, and advised older people to self-quarantine. Schools remained open, and so did all businesses. Their government listened to scientists, and not media and power hungry gov't bureaucrats.
Exactly how much difference is there between what sweden did and what we did ?
A lot, I believe. They did not shut down anything other than large public gatherings (>50 people), and universities, and advised older people to self-quarantine. Schools remained open, and so did all businesses. Their government listened to scientists, and not media and power hungry gov't bureaucrats.
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marcus
2020 May 3, 5:17pm
marcus
2020 May 3, 5:17pm
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I asked the question so that you would look it up.
Actually high schools are closed, and they say Stchholm is 70% less busy than usual. People are encouraged to practice social distancing, work from home etc, and meanwhile the numbers of deaths due to Covid are higher than their neighbors.
So, it's hard to say exactly how it compares. Definitely we have more job losses. I think the jury is still out on Sweden.
I asked the question so that you would look it up.
Actually high schools are closed, and they say Stchholm is 70% less busy than usual. People are encouraged to practice social distancing, work from home etc, and meanwhile the numbers of deaths due to Covid are higher than their neighbors.
So, it's hard to say exactly how it compares. Definitely we have more job losses. I think the jury is still out on Sweden.
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Bd6r
2020 May 3, 6:06pm
Bd6r
2020 May 3, 6:06pm
marcus says
The graph above and many other data points show that jury is not out any more, Swedish approach has worked extremely well. With schools, anyone below 16 went to school. Universities and a couple of upper classes of high school were cancelled (upper secondary school, whatever that means in their system). So, VERY VERY VERY different from little power-hungry min-Adolf actions here in US of A. BTW in Austin kids threw a zealous enforcer of social distancing in water...
Quote from Business insider:
While other countries, cities, and states around the globe enacted strict social distancing rules that closed businesses and ordered residents to stay home, Sweden took a different approach to tackle the COVID-19 pandemic, keeping businesses and schools open. The country's leaders have called on citizens to practice social distancing by choice rather than through a mandate.
A handful of recommendations were offered to Swedes by the government, including suggestions to stop nonessential travel, to work from home, to keep a distance from others in public, and to regularly wash their hands. The government banned gatherings of over 50 people and enacted a moratorium of visiting places like nursing homes, according to the previous Business Insider report.
Actually high schools are closed, and they say Stchholm is 70% less busy than usual. People are encouraged to practice social distancing, work from home etc, and meanwhile the numbers of deaths due to Covid are higher than their neighbors.
So, it's hard to say exactly how it compares. Definitely we have more job losses. I think the jury is still out on Sweden.
The graph above and many other data points show that jury is not out any more, Swedish approach has worked extremely well. With schools, anyone below 16 went to school. Universities and a couple of upper classes of high school were cancelled (upper secondary school, whatever that means in their system). So, VERY VERY VERY different from little power-hungry min-Adolf actions here in US of A. BTW in Austin kids threw a zealous enforcer of social distancing in water...
Quote from Business insider:
While other countries, cities, and states around the globe enacted strict social distancing rules that closed businesses and ordered residents to stay home, Sweden took a different approach to tackle the COVID-19 pandemic, keeping businesses and schools open. The country's leaders have called on citizens to practice social distancing by choice rather than through a mandate.
A handful of recommendations were offered to Swedes by the government, including suggestions to stop nonessential travel, to work from home, to keep a distance from others in public, and to regularly wash their hands. The government banned gatherings of over 50 people and enacted a moratorium of visiting places like nursing homes, according to the previous Business Insider report.
As Europe and North America continue suffering their steady economic and social decline as a direct result of imposing ‘lockdown’ on their populations, other countries have taken a different approach to dealing with the coronavirus threat. You wouldn’t know it by listening to western politicians or mainstream media stenographers, there are also nonlockdown countries. They are led by Sweden, Iceland, Belarus, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. Surprisingly to some, their results have been as good or better than the lockdown countries, but without having to endure the socio-economic chaos we are now witnessing across the world. For this reason alone, Sweden and others like them, have already won the policy debate, as well as the scientific one too.
Patnetters - take a guess if this and the graph below will appear in US MSM. Also, it appears that so-called "scientific data" that led to doomsday predictions were bad science.
As western lockdown countries drift further and further into an economic and social purgatory, nonlockdown countries like Sweden seem to be the target of bad-natured criticism by western media punditry. This seems to be out spite more than anything, as some journalists are sensing defeat after they had thrown their lot in with draconian lockdown policy early on, unquestioningly backing their governments’ one-size-fits-all approach to emergency management, once again invoking the TINA (There Is No Alternative) principle which history shows often precedes most man-made calamities from World War I, the Iraq War in 2003, to the 2008 Wall Street Bail Out.