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Top NYC ER doc told to go back home cause leftoids decided she's not "well enough" to work kills herself


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2020 Apr 28, 2:22pm   2,021 views  37 comments

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https://nypost.com/2020/04/28/nyc-er-doc-lorna-breens-suicide-leaves-friends-colleagues-shaken/

Who the fuck sends a recovered top doc home who wants to work?! Leftoids.

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1   Onvacation   2020 Apr 28, 2:29pm  

Another death attributed to Covid-19.

Obama called and said it's no longer his economy.
3   Shaman   2020 Apr 28, 2:32pm  

I can’t condone suicide. Not for a healthy person with lots to live for. She made a bad choice.
4   mell   2020 Apr 28, 2:32pm  

Onvacation says
Another death attributed to Covid-19.

Obama called and said it's no longer his economy.


Haha good one - yeah I'm sure Obummer has left the building now. But I mean seriously WTF is going on here when grown up people that know more than those who make decisions for them are being denied the right to work.
5   mell   2020 Apr 28, 2:34pm  

Shaman says
I can’t condone suicide. Not for a healthy person with lots to live for. She made a bad choice.


Likely so - but that's not the point. She was amongst the most knowledgeable people in her hospital and gets sent home, denied the right to work? WTF is this.
6   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2020 Apr 28, 3:14pm  

What like she had Corona Virus just a little bit?
7   Onvacation   2020 Apr 28, 4:17pm  

Did she know Hillary?
8   HeadSet   2020 Apr 28, 6:31pm  

Beautiful, young, lots to live for. Sounds suspicious.
9   elliemae   2020 Apr 29, 2:04am  

mell says
Who the fuck sends a recovered top doc home who wants to work?! Leftoids.

There are protocols in medicine. If an employee hasn't recovered sufficiently, he/she can't return to work. It's actually no different than a situation where a patient needs surgery to survive, but for whatever reason the patient doesn't meet either insurance or clinical criteria required.

It's very sad that this person felt that her only option was to kill herself.

mell says
Likely so - but that's not the point. She was amongst the most knowledgeable people in her hospital and gets sent home, denied the right to work? WTF is this.

Doctors are people too. People get sent home for being symptomatic, asymptomatic but exposed, etc. Happens every day - y'all got too much time on your hands and only your fellow conspiracy theorists to play with.
10   WookieMan   2020 Apr 29, 5:19am  

elliemae says
Doctors are people too. People get sent home for being symptomatic, asymptomatic but exposed, etc. Happens every day

No doubt it does, not my realm of knowledge. But during what is being called a pandemic, doesn't the risk of a doctor maybe having it outweigh that they could help save more patients? That would be my line of thought during a crisis. Especially if they have Covid and are working/helping with Covid patients. If there are nurses and docs that don't have it, what difference does it make if a co-worker has it while working with Covid patients? There're likely to get it from who they're treating.

I could be out of my element here, but I feel like that's sound logic during a crisis event. Just keep the doc there, everyone knows the risk of the field they entered.

And yes, every human has mental health issues to some degree or another. We don''t know what her's were. Most times you never know having a perfectly healthy brother in law do it about 3 years ago. He had even just gotten a promotion. Suicide is a weird animal.
11   Booger   2020 Apr 29, 5:35am  

HeadSet says
Beautiful, young, lots to live for. Sounds suspicious.


49 is young now?
12   Onvacation   2020 Apr 29, 7:36am  

Booger says
49 is young now?


Yep. People stay fit and healthy a lot longer than they used to.
13   Shaman   2020 Apr 29, 8:24am  

elliemae says
There are protocols in medicine. If an employee hasn't recovered sufficiently, he/she can't return to work


And that was my underlying point as well, if unstated. I guess I figured that it was obvious. She had a mental breakdown for some reason and made a tragic choice. Not being allowed to work may have been the trigger, but it wasn’t the cause.
14   RWSGFY   2020 Apr 29, 10:06am  

Makes no sense: she didn't lose her job, probably didn't even lose her paycheck. If there was a reason being simply sent home is not it.
15   HeadSet   2020 Apr 29, 1:14pm  

Booger says
HeadSet says
Beautiful, young, lots to live for. Sounds suspicious.


49 is young now?


I was going by this pic:
16   mell   2020 Apr 29, 4:13pm  

elliemae says
mell says
Who the fuck sends a recovered top doc home who wants to work?! Leftoids.

There are protocols in medicine. If an employee hasn't recovered sufficiently, he/she can't return to work. It's actually no different than a situation where a patient needs surgery to survive, but for whatever reason the patient doesn't meet either insurance or clinical criteria required.

It's very sad that this person felt that her only option was to kill herself.

mell says
Likely so - but that's not the point. She was amongst the most knowledgeable people in her hospital and gets sent home, denied the right to work? WTF is this.

Doctors are people too. People get sent home for being symptomatic, asymptomatic but exposed, etc. Happens every day - y'all got too much time on your hands and only your fellow conspiracy theorists to play with.


The MD works with CV-19 patients in a setting where CV-19 is around - why can't she go back with a mask and do what she's best at?! What fucking protocols? The protocols where whiny trained respiratory therapists and MDs refuse to treat Covid patients even with protective gear because there's a small chance they may get infected and thus get orange!man!bad! coverage from the lamestream media? Working on an oil rig is far more dangerous. The same protocols where whiny little fuckwit administrators tell top expert clinicians who want to get shit done that it's "not according to protocol" and they are not allowed to do their job despite being the most qualified? This is America - a country founded on meritocracy where there's always work for the best and those willing to put in extra effort in special situations, not titles or protocols. This is exactly what's wrong with the US, once we get rid of the protocol-thumpers making obscene amounts of money while providing no benefit at all this country can breathe again and we'd get an even bigger economic boom. Until then we're paralyzed by "administrators", hospitals will keep going bankrupt because no patients can be seen nor surgeries performed because a 101 year old geezer coming in for a routine colonoscopy could catch CV-19 and croak. What a joke.
17   elliemae   2020 Apr 29, 9:36pm  

mell says

The MD works with CV-19 patients in a setting where CV-19 is around - why can't she go back with a mask and do what she's best at?!


The MD was sick. Her employer had not yet cleared her to return. Just curious - would you want to be treated - or have your family member treated - by a doctor who was not yet recovered from being sick? A virus that has side effects such as hallucinations?

mell says
Until then we're paralyzed by "administrators", hospitals will keep going bankrupt because no patients can be seen nor surgeries performed because a 101 year old geezer coming in for a routine colonoscopy could catch CV-19 and croak. What a joke.


Sure, one of the reasons that they stopped elective procedures was to keep those patients from being infected themselves. Another reason was to ensure that hospitals were ready to accept an unknown amount of patients for however long the flood might last. And, of course, with limited amounts of available supplies (I'm living it), a third reason to stop elective procedures was to preserve supplies.

I know you probably don't believe me, but my co-worker/friend was out sick the 25th of March with COVID-19; he was back at work on the 20th of April. He is still tired; today he was nodding off at lunch. He's a very healthy middle aged man. This shit is horrible for some people.

Healthcare protocols are what save lives.
18   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Apr 29, 9:54pm  

The shutdown was predicated on doomsday models to last until a plateau had been reached, to prevent overwhelming medical capacities.



Needless to say, the modelling was wayyy off (what, a model was off? Can't be, it's !!SCIENCE!!, you ignorant hick!). The cases have plateaued. The very conditions for the shutdown are now satisified: One never happened, the other did happened.

Hospitals around the country, including the Mayo Clinic are now furloughing people.

Obama went Golfing just after his wife told all African-Americans to stay at home and not congregate; the Governor of Illinois was just busted sending his family to Florida after the state reopened the Beaches. That's on top of volunteers being turned away and exhausted staff being threatened to keep up the pace or be fired by NYC hospitals. Pretty clear that Pols are keeping this going now for political purposes.
19   elliemae   2020 Apr 29, 10:58pm  

mell says
But I mean seriously WTF is going on here when grown up people that know more than those who make decisions for them are being denied the right to work.

Ultimately, the hospital Medical Director makes the call on physician issues.

WookieMan says
everyone knows the risk of the field they entered.


Wookie - you are correct. We all know of what we believe to be the potential risks in our fields - but unanticipated events occur. The possibility of a potential needle stick is far different than the situation in some of the ICU's in the hardest hit areas of the world - it's like a battle zone of medicine. Accidents happen, but they usually end. My friend told me it's like working during the Vegas mass shooting, only over & over. They didn't sign up for that - it just happened. It's Groundhog Day for them too, only they're not doing any silly dances or making cat videos.

Personally, I knew there might be risks as a social worker and I actually chose a fairly risk averse course for my career (because it interested me, not because of safety). I never imagined that I would see my coworker with someone's brains splattered all over them, terrified patients and coworkers and work through the aftermath of a shooting in my risk averse career. I never could have anticipated that I would see a child shot by another child 50 feet away from me (two separate events six years apart).

I've been asked if I've been exposed - yes, I was. In fact, I don't know on any given day whether I'll be exposed at work or out in the community (getting gas, etc). I didn't get the virus to my knowledge - but the coworker who I was exposed to was sick as a fucking dog and his wife was ok. A friend who had recently retired died. I'm actually quite worried I'll get the virus even though I've done my best to limit my exposure. And I do think that it's not over yet.

My opinion is that we have several things going for us out west versus in the big cities. Most of us are spread out as compared to New York, Chicago, etc where people are on top of each other. Our shopping habits are different - most of us have more food on hand because we can't walk to the corner store or a restaurant as easily. We had a severe shutdown before the virus hit us as hard (Seattle not withstanding). And even tho this even could have been as deadly as the Flu of 1918, so far the fact that our hygiene and indoor plumbing gives us a huge boost in our ability to mitigate contagions.

I truly dislike Trump. But I don't think that anyone could have truly anticipated the impact a pandemic could have. The world changes so quickly, any plans that could have been put in place 10 years ago wouldn't have included the impact of unemployment for the Gig workers, people who invested in Airbnb rentals, small business owners. Even if we had a solid plan in place that we updated every few years, there are too many possible scenarios as countries react around the globe. Unfortunately, like so many other events (including social distancing), people will get complacent and after a few years, we will forget. In 20 years, someone will start to allocate the pandemic response dollars elsewhere and this shit will happen all over again.
20   PeopleUnited   2020 Apr 30, 5:11am  

Underlying mental illness is obvious in the case of the suicided physician, perhaps the medical director knew she needed time off to mange that and her mental illness proved to be unmanageable.

A sad case nevertheless.

I think you are correct Ellie Mae about a number of things. My aunt chose social work too, only to be picked up by the head and tossed around like a rag doll by a “client” with development disabilities. If you work with people, equipment/machines , chemicals, animals, or in a location where there’s gravity, there are no lack of occupational hazards. But that is the point that many of us here are making, this is not Ebola. It is more like a flu with novel or perhaps even engineered and unique adverse effects. However, the vast majority of people do not get sick beyond their ability to care for themselves. Those that do require hospitalization actually do very well with proper nursing and therapeutic care, and the number of discharged vs body bags is showing that unless you have comprising comorbidities or impaired resilience due to old age , your chances are very good to walk away. Sure a few small number of people who probably have genetic abnormalities that we don’t fully understand do get sick even though they are younger. But we cannot shut down the interstate to prevent car accidents, and we should not shut down business to slow the spread of a virus that 99.2% or better of us will survive!

And I think you are right, another pestilence is likely to happen in our lifetime, perhaps more than one.

And you are right, there is no way to prevent a pandemic like this once another nation has let it smolder for two months lying about its virulence and refusing to let experts from other countries in to investigate and assist. Yes I’m talking about you Communists running China. It is no more Trumps fault that we have virus here than it is the bat those lab workers irresponsibly took it from. Ultimately the researchers who thought it was a good idea to mess with bat virus have proven that humans should not mess with active viruses in the lab unless they are currently causing diseases in humans. They just released a superbug that probably never would have happened if not for “science”.
21   Expat01   2020 Apr 30, 7:29am  

nice headline. Why not say "Soros probably killed this doctor and staged it to look like suicide"? Or "Hillary Clinton created COVID virus and then when it didn't kill fast enough, she drugged an ER doc and killed her, making it look like suicide."
If this is the kind of bullshit the right needs to see to feel good about themselves, then I suggest the right follows the ER doc's example. Shoot your families and then kill yourselves for the good of humanity.
22   Onvacation   2020 Apr 30, 7:39am  

Expat01 says
Hillary Clinton created COVID virus and then when it didn't kill fast enough, she drugged an ER doc and killed her, making it look like suicide.

Given the Clinton's record, that explains it.
23   elliemae   2020 Apr 30, 7:40am  

Part of my family has told everyone that they know that a friend of a friend who is a nurse said that the nurses are being told to diagnose every patient as having COVID-19 in order to get more funding. I guess that conspiracy theory is all over social media. The problem with that is that physicians are the ones who diagnose patients and even though a few people are misdiagnosed (happens all the time), these charts will be reviewed and diagnoses will be clarified.

I get that people are frustrated - and that, until it affects them personally, it's all just talk - but this shit is real. Very, very real. And if we don't respect that, we're all fucked.
24   Onvacation   2020 Apr 30, 7:45am  

elliemae says
shit is real. Very, very real. And if we don't respect that, we're all fucked.

Again I ask, why do you think Covid-19 more scary than the latest annual flu mutation?
25   Ceffer   2020 Apr 30, 8:29am  

Female doctors do seem to commit suicide a lot as a general rule. The environments are extraordinarily morbid, and the foolishness/absurdities of the HumanFucks and their self inflicted miseries get to them more than male doctors, it seems.
26   mell   2020 Apr 30, 9:28am  

elliemae says
mell says

The MD works with CV-19 patients in a setting where CV-19 is around - why can't she go back with a mask and do what she's best at?!


The MD was sick. Her employer had not yet cleared her to return. Just curious - would you want to be treated - or have your family member treated - by a doctor who was not yet recovered from being sick? A virus that has side effects such as hallucinations?


Absolutely if the family member was sick with Covid-19 - she's the most qualified. We're not talking about other units here. Hallucinations are common with any infection accompanied by high fever, obviously she was well enough to return to work, i.e. without fever.

elliemae says
mell says
Until then we're paralyzed by "administrators", hospitals will keep going bankrupt because no patients can be seen nor surgeries performed because a 101 year old geezer coming in for a routine colonoscopy could catch CV-19 and croak. What a joke.


Sure, one of the reasons that they stopped elective procedures was to keep those patients from being infected themselves. Another reason was to ensure that hospitals were ready to accept an unknown amount of patients for however long the flood might last. And, of course, with limited amounts of available supplies (I'm living it), a third reason to stop elective procedures was to preserve supplies.

I know you probably don't believe me, but my co-worker/friend was out sick the 25th of March with COVID-19; he was back at work on the 20th of April. He is still tired; today he was nodding off at lunch. He's a very healthy middle aged...


The units are separated and the MD is wearing a mask, she certainly is not transmitting anything, so she could totally serve in a Covid-19 unit, no reason to make stuff up about voodoo transmissions. How many patients will die or suffer because their diagnostic tests and surgeries were postponed? Again, we don't do any of this crap during severe flu seasons, so this argument is bs. We all believe this is - or better said can be for some - a serious illness, but it is in line with the flu. Nothing to do with protocols here since this is a novel virus, so these decision were made up on the fly. And to the detriment of patients and workers. BS. How many more patients will die or suffer due to reduced hospital availability in their regions due to bankruptcies and consolidation? Often minutes or seconds count.

A few family members in Europe who had it and while they needed treatment it was in line with the flu. So again no reason for voodoo conjectures, you'd think a top MD would know best when they're fit or not, not some administrative paper pusher.
27   elliemae   2020 Apr 30, 5:37pm  

mell says
obviously she was well enough to return to work, i.e. without fever.

I guess I missed it in that story. Would you mind pointing out exactly where you received the information that she was afebrile?

mell says
Absolutely if the family member was sick with Covid-19 - she's the most qualified.

So, if you have cancer, does that mean your MD should have active cancer in order to treat you? mell says
The units are separated

No, actually they are not completely separated. They share common air, plumbing, & electrical systems, labs, pharmacies, central supply. Staff move from floor to floor. Even in the most closed systems, the potential for cross-contamination exists.

mell says
you'd think a top MD would know best when they're fit or not, not some administrative paper pusher.
Again, not sure you're understanding that an administrative paper pusher did not make this decision. A physician made this decision - the one who supervised her. Really.
28   marcus   2020 Apr 30, 5:49pm  

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mell says
Leftoids.


Someone who has been dealing with an impossible to imagine job, tons of stress and an illness, kills herself.

Nobody really knows why she killed herself accept guess who ?

Who else ? A know it all republitard.
29   elliemae   2020 Apr 30, 7:35pm  

So, just saw her family giving a presser. They said she had the virus, went back to early and her family/employer convinced her to go to the hospital.

In an exclusive interview with "TODAY's" Savannah Guthrie, Jennifer Feist said her sister was overcome by a grim combination of events. She contracted the virus, which Feist believed "altered her brain." Eventually, Breen returned to work.

"She went back to the most horrific, unimaginable conditions," Feist said, describing her sister as "somebody whose life's calling is helping people, and she just couldn't help enough people."

"And the combination was just untenable," Feist said.

Breen, 49, had worked at NewYork-Presbyterian Allen Hospital in northern Manhattan. Her father told The New York Times that after she got sick and returned to work a week and a half later, her family intervened and brought her to Charlottesville, Virginia.

Authorities said Monday that she was taken to UVA University Hospital, where she succumbed to self-inflicted injuries.

Before her death, Feist said, Breen had been working 12-hour shifts.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/er-doctor-who-died-suicide-was-untenable-situation-sister-says-n1195656
30   mell   2020 Apr 30, 7:57pm  

elliemae says
mell says
Absolutely if the family member was sick with Covid-19 - she's the most qualified.

So, if you have cancer, does that mean your MD should have active cancer in order to treat you? mell says
The units are separated


That has nothing to do with it - she was among the most qualified because she was the the top doc and had treated many patients. It doesn't matter what the doc has or has had as long as they're qualified and WILLING to treat you.

elliemae says
mell says
you'd think a top MD would know best when they're fit or not, not some administrative paper pusher.
Again, not sure you're understanding that an administrative paper pusher did not make this decision. A physician made this decision - the one who supervised her. Really.


What a crock. Like the principal makes decisions in a school but may know nothing about teaching. Obviously she could and would have helped many patients - both she and the patients lost.

elliemae says
So, if you have cancer, does that mean your MD should have active cancer in order to treat you? mell says
The units are separated

No, actually they are not completely separated. They share common air, plumbing, & electrical systems, labs, pharmacies, central supply. Staff move from floor to floor. Even in the most closed systems, the potential for cross-contamination exists.


Ah the voodoo transmission again. The risk is extremely minimal, that's why in other Western countries most hospitals kept treating other patients if they had capacity. This is nothing but fear of govt and ambulance-chasers.

elliemae says
"She went back to the most horrific, unimaginable conditions," Feist said, describing her sister as "somebody whose life's calling is helping people, and she just couldn't help enough people."


q.e.d.
31   elliemae   2020 May 1, 7:20am  

Mell:

Ima hang up now. It's been such a pleasure.
32   Onvacation   2020 May 1, 7:28am  

elliemae says
Staff move from floor to floor. Even in the most closed systems, the potential for cross-contamination exists.

Are you saying the lockdown is useless? If we are not safe from Covid in the hospital where would we be safe?
33   elliemae   2020 May 1, 7:43am  

Onvacation says
Are you saying the lockdown is useless? If we are not safe from Covid in the hospital where would we be safe?


In your home. Away from crowds and sick people. Does that sound "useless?"

You should only go to the hospital because it's the best option, but nosocomial infections are a distinct possibility.
34   mell   2020 May 1, 11:02am  

Onvacation says
elliemae says
Staff move from floor to floor. Even in the most closed systems, the potential for cross-contamination exists.

Are you saying the lockdown is useless? If we are not safe from Covid in the hospital where would we be safe?


This is all bs, prob. due to fear of govt repercussions or ambulance chasers. If courts wouldn't constantly toss out shit, then the hospitals could simply take the calculated risk of contracting CV during the stay/procedure (based on a few models, then take avg.), say for example 0.01% (probably realistic), state that in a waiver and let the patient decide to stay at home or sign it and get treatment. I bet the hospitals would be full in no time, buzzing again.
35   Onvacation   2020 May 1, 11:19am  

elliemae says
Onvacation says
Are you saying the lockdown is useless? If we are not safe from Covid in the hospital where would we be safe?


In your home. Away from crowds and sick people. Does that sound "useless?"

Yes it does. Following common sense and good hygiene will make us as safe (or safer. Did you know that the Covid can live on plastic for three days) as cowering in our homes.

What makes this cold more dangerous than the annual mutation of the flu?
36   Patrick   2020 May 1, 11:35am  

Onvacation says
Did you know that the Covid can live on plastic for three days


That doesn't seem to matter much.

Viral load (number of virus particles you get at one time) matters a lot.

We all inhale various virus particles with each breath, but the immune system is pretty good at dealing with small numbers of them. Somehow big numbers of virus particles overwhelm our defenses. That kinda makes sense actually.
37   RWSGFY   2020 May 1, 12:16pm  

Onvacation says
What makes this cold more dangerous than the annual mutation of the flu?


Well, something does, otherwise there wouldn't be any spikes in weekly death rates (the hardest number to fake) compared to previous years. But the spikes are definitely there and they are not trivial:



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