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HANNITY FANS HAVE 30% MORE COVID-19 THAN EVEN TUCKER CARLSON'S

By jazz_music follow jazz_music   2020 Apr 22, 2:14pm 1,484 views   54 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    




Laura Ingraham called Hydroxycholoquine the Lazarus pill --then believers die in Droves.

TRUMP READY TO PROFIT FROM HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/04/07/donald-trump-gets-millions-of-hydroxychloroquine-pills-from-india/

Time to love the truth buddy ...

OR DIE NOW.

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15   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 22, 6:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

If you flip the subject to personal attack I will flag you every time fuck everyone who doesn’t like it.
16   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 22, 6:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Find that weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq yet?

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/world/threats-responses-iraqis-us-says-hussein-intensifies-quest-for-bomb-parts.html
There’s no lie there.

The straight up lies setting up America for war over nukes came from Fox every day.

Everything is another excuse to shovel trillions of dollars to the banks now and the biggest tax evaders too. Socialism for the rich only. The people get crumbs at best just to quiet them down because we are not feared. GOP has passed horrible punishments against people who protest publicly.
17   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2020 Apr 22, 6:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
richwicks says
You are still in the delusion "duh left" opposes "duh right". They are controlled by the same group, they tell different stories, but they both lie.
I’m not the subject and you don’t discern the difference between sources/targets of lies and conspiracy from those who are competing for ratings and verifiably stopping short of making shit up every day.

We've done this a while now. You are the OP. People are going to attack and fight your opinion if they disagree. By default you are the topic when you post this:

jazz_music says
Laura Ingraham called Hydroxycholoquine the Lazarus pill --then believers die in Droves.

TRUMP READY TO PROFIT FROM HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/04/07/donald-trump-gets-millions-of-hydroxychloroquine-pills-from-india/

Time to love the truth buddy ...

OR DIE NOW.


What do you expect the reaction to be?? It's a forum. It's generally A or B. Agree or disagree for the most part. You had a user disagree with you and I didn't see a single personal remark in his comment. Do you come here expecting everyone to agree with your vision of the world? That's not realistic. I've had my views changed on many topics here, from people that it would appear I dislike. Have an open mind.
18   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 22, 6:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Have an open mind.
I don’t when it comes to personal abuse for rejecting cult lore.

There are users that do nothing but punish.

WTF did you expect? People to like it?

I found better use of my time
19   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2020 Apr 22, 6:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
I don’t when it comes to personal abuse for rejecting cult lore.

No one abused you though. There's a difference between being critical and personal.

You're entitled to feel the way you want, but the comment shouldn't have been flagged. I've agreed and disagreed with many users here. A lot recently that I may have agreed with in the past. I like your posts in the music thread. We can all exist together and not be so dramatic. It is possible.
20   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Apr 22, 6:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
If you flip the subject to personal attack I will flag you every time fuck everyone who doesn’t like it.


What personal attack? Quote my "personal attack". I know basic logic and I don't engage in ad-hominem. I want to know what you think in order to judge if I'm wrong, and I want you to know what I think, so you MIGHT consider you are wrong. We can both be wrong of course. I honestly want to know if I'm incorrect. I'll adjust immediately when shown to be wrong and that's happened a lot, to such an extent, it's now noticeably more rare.

If I'm incorrect about my assessment about my (incorrect) belief of your thinking, correct me, but people do follow patterns. I'm not saying I'm above being propagandized, but I know I'm not, that gives me an advantage over 99% of the population - just being aware I can be swayed by it. You accused me of being a Fox news, Limbaugh, and Breitbart drone. I'm not, and I corrected you on that. You consider it a personal attack when I think you have binary thinking in this regard. All corporate news is useless, it's not information. At very best it's entertainment, and at worst, it's just propaganda.

jazz_music says
richwicks says
Find that weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq yet?

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/world/threats-responses-iraqis-us-says-hussein-intensifies-quest-for-bomb-parts.html
There’s no lie there.

The straight up lies setting up America for war over nukes came from Fox every day.


Yeah, I know. I agree with you completely. Fox news was called Faux News for a reason.

jazz_music says
Everything is another excuse to shovel trillions of dollars to the banks now and the biggest tax evaders too. Socialism for the rich only. The people get crumbs at best just to quiet them down because we are not feared. GOP has passed horrible punishments against people who protest publicly.


And who in the "mainstream media" objects? Who is against this in our corporate propaganda?

I don't know if you favor socialism or not, but if there is more socialism, it's people like George W. Bush and Barack Obama that determines how the money is spent. Give the government $1.00 for education, and you get $0.05 back to implement it the rest is stolen along the way.

You might think corporations are evil, and they absolutely can be, but you aren't forced to pay them - but with government, that's a monopoly. Comcast F'ed me over, guess who I don't do business with as a result? My government has F'ed me over, I still pay taxes.
21   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 22, 6:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
If I'm incorrect about my assessment about my (incorrect) belief of your thinking
The subject is spelled out in the OP along with 5 or so variations.

I’m done talking about this

If you want assess people negatively you can make your own post
22   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Apr 22, 7:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
If you want assess people negatively you can make your own post


I am going to point out that your stated reason for flagging me is something you did first. I don't expect you to think about that, but if you chose, you can think about that. We are all hypocritical to some extent.

With regard to the original poster, I pointed out the sources in the cited report are not reliable. From what I saw, and I did not go through all of it, it was all from mainstream "news" references - this is not research. It's not real research at all. I'm telling you regardless of whether you believe me, the United States doesn't have a free, honest press. It doesn't have actual investigative journalists. Our news media is more like Pravda and Izvestia of the USSR in 1985 than the US news system of the US was. There is no truth, there is no news. Its now effecting research.

It's all BS. It's been this way for decades. You've not seen that weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq yet and you've not seen that Russian Collusion yet. They're just lies. Syria and Libya were other types of lies. When a Democrat is in power, it's for "humanitarian reasons" but it's a lie. Republicans sell war as a way to protect against a threat, Democrats sell war for "humanitarian reasons". If Gore were president in 2000 (and he probably won the election with those hanging chads) the US would have attacked Iraq because Saddam Hussein was a very bad man that we erroneously supported in the 1980's and we needed to correct our mistake. It would have had the same result, but the Democratic peons would have supported it, and the Republican peons would have opposed it.

You need to realize that the only difference between the leadership of the left and right, are the lies they tell to get your support. They do the same thing, but tell you different lies about why they are doing it. It's just a criminal syndicate. All reasons you are given are propaganda. We never go to war for the reasons that are stated.
23   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 22, 7:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
We never go to war for the reasons that are stated.
This is true and people will never go to wars without being deceived, but the parties do differ substantially in terms of corporate supremacy versus needs of the electorate.

Media sources also feature substantial differences even though the pursuit of ratings market share has diminished them all. Fox right wing porno came out 24/7 free of charge while the others had to charge fees to the carriers, and the others could no longer get an audience.
24   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Apr 22, 7:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
richwicks says
If I'm incorrect about my assessment about my (incorrect) belief of your thinking
The subject is spelled out in the OP along with 5 or so variations.

I’m done talking about this

If you want assess people negatively you can make your own post


How am I "assessing people negatively"?

This is another trick in a debate - this is called a strawman.

But I'm not in a debate and neither are you. If I'm incorrect, explain how I'm incorrect. I do not want to stupidly win an argument. I may very well be wrong, but you have to explain how I am otherwise I will not see how I am wrong. There is no shame in being incorrect in my opinion, there is shame in continuing a misconception when you realize it is though.

I'm extremely pliable in that I will readily agree when I'm error but I need to understand when and how I'm wrong.

I do not think less of you because I think you are incorrect. We all have infinite ignorance, I just think you lack knowledge, which is not a personal failure in any way. Having said that, it could be ME, that has a lack of knowledge. I cannot know unless you show me to be incorrect.
25   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2020 Apr 22, 10:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
How an I "assessing people negatively"?

You didn't. It's a trend, hence Patrick's comment #12.

You're fighting a losing battle in the sense you're not going to change other people. You can keep trying, but you're not the first to go down this path here. It's unfortunate some cannot see their flaws and admit they were wrong. But hey, what are you gonna do?
26   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Apr 23, 6:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
You're fighting a losing battle in the sense you're not going to change other people.


Oh, that's absolutely not true.

Some people are mindless cultists, some are blatant propagandists, but they are generally rare. In either case, if you cannot communicate with somebody, you can at least point out why they make that impossible.

jazz_music appears to be a mindless cultist uninterested in whether he's incorrect, willing to censor when people disagree with him, because he knows he's wrong. That's an awful state to be in. That's a losing battle and some people fight it for a lifetime.
27   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Apr 23, 7:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
The people get crumbs at best just to quiet them down

And yet they all have the latest smart phone and have enough food to become obese.
28   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Apr 23, 7:50am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

Tim Aurora says
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I am an immigrant who travels to 10 different countries and have family in 3 different nations. They all agree that Trump is stupid

That says more about your family than Trump.
29   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 23, 12:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
That says more about your family than Trump.
No, that says a lot about Trump.

What it doesn't talk about is the damage the appointees and GOP donors are doing to our country while Trump mesmerizes the masses with foolishness to fill the air each day.
30   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 23, 12:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://crooksandliars.com/2020/04/more-hannity-viewers-got-covid-19-and-died

We provide additional evidence consistent with misinformation being an important mechanism driving the effects in the data. While our findings cannot yet speak to long-term effects, they indicate that provision of misinformation in the early stages of a pandemic can have important consequences for how a disease ultimately affects the population

The authors also note that when Hannity shifted his tone, in mid-March, “the diverging trajectories on COVID-19 cases begin to revert.” However, they also caution that over time, the picture could change. “For example, greater relative exposure to Hannity may have simply shifted the timing of infections that would have eventually occurred when the virus became more widespread.”

Still, the findings “suggest that a significant number of people died due to exposure to misinformation.” They also “indicate that provision of misinformation in the early stages of a pandemic can have important consequences for health outcomes.”


"The Study" refers to this paper from a relevant institute collaboration of four American universities on "Misinformation During a Pandemic"
https://bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/uploads/BFI_WP_202044.pdf (the link is provided in the article from Crooks And Liars)

Before we give too much credit to Carlson, let’s acknowledge that his coronavirus alarm was very much centered in his white nationalism. In the comments cited by the study, his warnings painted the pandemic as a Chinese threat. For example:

All of a sudden the Chinese coronavirus is looking like a real threat, that could be a global epidemic or even a pandemic. It’s impossible to know. But, it’s the kind of thing that could be very serious – very serious. [January 28, 2020]

The Chinese coronavirus continues to spread tonight. The death toll now exceeding 500, that’s the official number. In the United States, there are now 12 confirmed cases of it. Meanwhile, alarming videos trickling out of China indicate the virus is far from under control. [February 5, 2020]

More recently, Carlson has been pushing people to rebel against mitigation measures (from the safety of his own remote studio) even as the pandemic rages.

In other words, Carlson’s politics happened to coincide with science at the outset of the pandemic. When they diverged, he chose politics over science, just as Hannity did when he downplayed the pandemic. Had Carlson not wanted to fear monger about the Chinese, he may well have gone the route of his Fox colleagues, too.
31   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Apr 23, 6:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tim Aurora says
I am an immigrant who travels to 10 different countries and have family in 3 different nations. They all agree that Trump is stupid


So? HOW is he stupid? So far he's not started a new war yet. You know how long it's been since we had a president that didn't start a new war in his first term? Jimmy Carter was the last one.

Tim Aurora says
Yeah that was a Republican ploy and now you punish democrats for that.


The Democrats aren't any different. If Al Gore was elected president in 2000 (well in truth, he was) we would have gone to war with Iraq because "we" (our government) supported mean old Saddam Hussein in the 1980's and we had to correct that awful mistake - we have a duty to the Iraqis to do it! All the dummy republican faithful would have opposed it, all the dummy democratic faithful would have supported it and there would be IDENTICAL results.

Obama lied about why the US attacked Libya - it wasn't to prevent a humanitarian crisis, if it was, the US wouldn't have left it in civil war with operating slavery markets. Obama lied why he attacked Syria, it wasn't because Assad was using chemical weapons against his own people, because the United States simply doesn't care about human rights. He's just another sociopathic puppet - just like George W. Bush was. He bombed 7 nations over 8 years - can you even name them all? He's the reason there's a refugee influx into Europe - he was creating them.

The only difference between the two establishment parties are what lies they tell you to explain away whatever atrocity they are told to commit. That's what you are voting for, what BS you get fed.
32   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 23, 6:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
HOW is he stupid?
It seems like forever I’ve been waiting for someone to ask that question.

Recall that Trump said that Frederick Douglass, who died in 1895, was “an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more.” He also claimed that Andrew Jackson, who died 16 years before the Civil War, “was really angry that he saw what was happening in regard to the Civil War.”

Why does he know so little? Because he doesn’t read books or even long articles. “I never have,” he proudly told a reporter last year. “I’m always busy doing a lot.” As president, Trump’s intelligence briefings have been dumbed down, denuded of nuance, and larded with maps and pictures because he can’t be bothered to read a lot of words. He’d rather play golf.

The surest indication of how not smart Trump is that he thinks his inability or lack of interest in acquiring knowledge doesn’t matter. He said last year that he reaches the right decisions “with very little knowledge other than the knowledge I [already] had, plus the words ‘common sense,’ because I have a lot of common sense and I have a lot of business ability

His administration has been one disaster after another. And those fiascos can be ascribed directly to the president’s lack of intellectual horsepower.

How could Trump fire Comey knowing that the FBI director could then testify about the improper requests Trump had made to exonerate himself and drop the investigation of Flynn? And in case there was any doubt about Trump’s intent, he dispelled it by acknowledging on TV that he had the “Russia thing” in mind when firing the FBI director. That’s tantamount to admitting obstruction of justice. Is this how a smart person behaves? If Trump decides to fire the widely respected special counsel Robert Mueller, he will only be compounding this stupidity.

Or what about Trump’s response to the June 3 terrorist attack in London? He reacted by tweeting his support for the “original Travel Ban,” rather than the “watered down, politically correct version” under review by the Supreme Court. Legal observers — including Kellyanne Conway’s husband — instantly saw that Trump was undermining his own case, because the travel ban had been revised precisely in order to pass judicial scrutiny. Indeed, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, in refusing to reinstate the travel ban on June 12, cited Trump’s tweets against him. Is this how a smart person behaves? No.

America under Trump is a raging disaster that the world may not survive
33   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 23, 7:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Donald Trump is a deeply stupid man, and that stupidity is just one of the many ways he is undermining American national security. The latest example was reported this week:

President Donald Trump has left the impression with foreign officials, members of his administration, and others involved in Iranian negotiations that he is actively considering a French plan to extend a $15 billion credit line to the Iranians if Tehran comes back into compliance with the Obama-era nuclear deal.

Trump has in recent weeks shown openness to entertaining President Emmanuel Macron’s plan, according to four sources with knowledge of Trump’s conversations with the French leader. Two of those sources said that State Department officials, including Secretary Mike Pompeo, are also open to weighing the French proposal, in which the Paris government would effectively ease the economic sanctions regime that the Trump administration has applied on Tehran for more than a year.

The deal put forward by France would compensate Iran for oil sales disrupted by American sanctions. A large portion of Iran’s economy relies on cash from oil sales. Most of that money is frozen in bank accounts across the globe. The $15 billion credit line would be guaranteed by Iranian oil. In exchange for the cash, Iran would have to come back into compliance with the nuclear accord it signed with the world’s major powers in 2015. Tehran would also have to agree not to threaten the security of the Persian Gulf or to impede maritime navigation in the area. Lastly, Tehran would have to commit to regional Middle East talks in the future.


Let's be clear: At the end of May, the International Atomic Energy Agency reported that Iran was still in compliance with the deal. Iran has been in compliance all along. It was Trump who first threatened to break the deal. The European Union urged Congress to preserve it. And then even though Iran was in compliance with the deal, and it was he who was threatening to break it, Trump also threatened to sanction European businesses that do business with Iran. And then Trump did break the deal. This was a crisis entirely of Trump's own making.

Iran's leaders are not nice, but they are smart. They saw what the Bush-Cheney administration did to Iraq. Saddam Hussein was not Iran’s friend. But he did give up his weapons of mass destruction, and Bush-Cheney took advantage of that. And like all aspirants to nuclear weapons, Iranian leaders understood that they were in a better position to bargain if they had nuclear weapons than if they left themselves open to being invaded and devastated for no reason, the way Iraq was. So Iran ramped up the development of its nuclear weapons program, and then President Obama and the European Union made a deal with them to end that program. They abided by that deal, and then Trump broke it.

Republican presidents are dangerous to national and world security, but none more than Trump. By breaking the deal with Iran, Trump gave Iran the incentive to resume its arms program, which they have done. Which makes the world less safe. Because that's what Trump's ineptitude does: make the world less safe.

Trump's lickspittle Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was outraged that Iran was again ramping up its nuclear weapons program, nevermind why. And with tensions again rising, Trump did what he always does on the world stage: He got his ass kicked. Now he's considering giving Iran $15 billion dollars in credit to get back in compliance with the deal with which it had always been in compliance—until Trump gave them the incentive not to be. That's Trump's artistry in making deals: getting his ass kicked.

North Korea also learned the lesson from the Bush-Cheney invasion of Iraq, and now has a rapidly developing nuclear weapons program. North Korea's despotic leader Kim Jong Un also wanted to use his weapons program as a bargaining chip to cut a deal with the economically developed world. He is smart where Trump is stupid, and realized that by flattering Trump, by pretending to like and respect him, he could have his way with Trump. And it worked.

Kim and his father and his grandfather always wanted to be taken seriously on the world stage. It would strengthen them at home. It would legitimize their tyrannous regime. And one big prize they'd always dreamed of attaining was a meeting with an American president. It would make them look big. Every American president, Republican and Democrat, refused to give them that gift. But Kim played Trump for the deeply stupid man that he is and got that meeting.

Kim pretended that he might end his nuclear weapons program, and Republicans and some in the American media even hyperventilated when Kim said he'd like to denuclearize the Korean peninsula, as if Trump had attained something. They were as stupid as Trump, not understanding that denuclearizing the Korean peninsula would mean South Korea no longer was protected by the American nuclear umbrella. This would mean that North Korea's massive conventional military would have overwhelming superiority on the Korean peninsula. Kim went ahead and kept building his nuclear program, and then Trump met with him again.

Trump thought this was a great success, which it was—for Kim. And Trump again got nothing. Kim keeps developing his nuclear weapons program, because Trump got played again. Because Trump is a deeply stupid man who routinely gets his ass kicked on the world stage.

Trump wanted a trade war with China. Because he thought he could bluster and bully and get his way. But like the rest of the world, China is laughing at Trump, when they're not scratching their heads because Trump is so deeply stupid, and his administration so profoundly incompetent that China doesn't even know with whom to negotiate. But Trump got his trade war. Which he is losing. Because he is a deeply stupid man.

Trump's trade war already has cost 300,000 American jobs. And every time he opens his mouth about China, the American stock markets get spooked. And then after threatening to escalate his trade war, Trump backed down, and now desperately wants to find a way out of yet another crisis that is entirely of his own making. Because he has no idea what he’s doing. Because he is a deeply stupid man who routinely gets his ass kicked on the world stage.

This would be funny if it weren't so serious. Trump's trade war could devastate the American economy. A nuclear armed Iran would be bad for everyone. A North Korea that is ramping up its nuclear program is bad for everyone. And that the guy who sits at the big desk in the Oval Office is a deeply stupid man who routinely gets his ass kicked on the world stage also is bad for everyone.

Except for those foreign leaders who routinely kick his ass
34   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 23, 7:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Donald Trump is a deeply stupid man, and that stupidity is just one of the many ways he is undermining American national security. The latest example was reported this week:

President Donald Trump has left the impression with foreign officials, members of his administration, and others involved in Iranian negotiations that he is actively considering a French plan to extend a $15 billion credit line to the Iranians if Tehran comes back into compliance with the Obama-era nuclear deal.

Trump has in recent weeks shown openness to entertaining President Emmanuel Macron’s plan, according to four sources with knowledge of Trump’s conversations with the French leader. Two of those sources said that State Department officials, including Secretary Mike Pompeo, are also open to weighing the French proposal, in which the Paris government would effectively ease the economic sanctions regime that the Trump administration has applied on Tehran for more than a year.

The deal put forward by France would compensate Iran for oil sales disrupted by American sanctions. A large portion of Iran’s economy relies on cash from oil sales. Most of that money is frozen in bank accounts across the globe. The $15 billion credit line would be guaranteed by Iranian oil. In exchange for the cash, Iran would have to come back into compliance with the nuclear accord it signed with the world’s major powers in 2015. Tehran would also have to agree not to threaten the security of the Persian Gulf or to impede maritime navigation in the area. Lastly, Tehran would have to commit to regional Middle East talks in the future.


Let's be clear: At the end of May, the International Atomic Energy Agency reported that Iran was still in compliance with the deal. Iran has been in compliance all along. It was Trump who first threatened to break the deal. The European Union urged Congress to preserve it. And then even though Iran was in compliance with the deal, and it was he who was threatening to break it, Trump also threatened to sanction European businesses that do business with Iran. And then Trump did break the deal. This was a crisis entirely of Trump's own making.

Iran's leaders are not nice, but they are smart. They saw what the Bush-Cheney administration did to Iraq. Saddam Hussein was not Iran’s friend. But he did give up his weapons of mass destruction, and Bush-Cheney took advantage of that. And like all aspirants to nuclear weapons, Iranian leaders understood that they were in a better position to bargain if they had nuclear weapons than if they left themselves open to being invaded and devastated for no reason, the way Iraq was. So Iran ramped up the development of its nuclear weapons program, and then President Obama and the European Union made a deal with them to end that program. They abided by that deal, and then Trump broke it.

Republican presidents are dangerous to national and world security, but none more than Trump. By breaking the deal with Iran, Trump gave Iran the incentive to resume its arms program, which they have done. Which makes the world less safe. Because that's what Trump's ineptitude does: make the world less safe.

Trump's lickspittle Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was outraged that Iran was again ramping up its nuclear weapons program, nevermind why. And with tensions again rising, Trump did what he always does on the world stage: He got his ass kicked. Now he's considering giving Iran $15 billion dollars in credit to get back in compliance with the deal with which it had always been in compliance—until Trump gave them the incentive not to be. That's Trump's artistry in making deals: getting his ass kicked.

North Korea also learned the lesson from the Bush-Cheney invasion of Iraq, and now has a rapidly developing nuclear weapons program. North Korea's despotic leader Kim Jong Un also wanted to use his weapons program as a bargaining chip to cut a deal with the economically developed world. He is smart where Trump is stupid, and realized that by flattering Trump, by pretending to like and respect him, he could have his way with Trump. And it worked.

Kim and his father and his grandfather always wanted to be taken seriously on the world stage. It would strengthen them at home. It would legitimize their tyrannous regime. And one big prize they'd always dreamed of attaining was a meeting with an American president. It would make them look big. Every American president, Republican and Democrat, refused to give them that gift. But Kim played Trump for the deeply stupid man that he is and got that meeting.

Kim pretended that he might end his nuclear weapons program, and Republicans and some in the American media even hyperventilated when Kim said he'd like to denuclearize the Korean peninsula, as if Trump had attained something. They were as stupid as Trump, not understanding that denuclearizing the Korean peninsula would mean South Korea no longer was protected by the American nuclear umbrella. This would mean that North Korea's massive conventional military would have overwhelming superiority on the Korean peninsula. Kim went ahead and kept building his nuclear program, and then Trump met with him again.

Trump thought this was a great success, which it was—for Kim. And Trump again got nothing. Kim keeps developing his nuclear weapons program, because Trump got played again. Because Trump is a deeply stupid man who routinely gets his ass kicked on the world stage.

Trump wanted a trade war with China. Because he thought he could bluster and bully and get his way. But like the rest of the world, China is laughing at Trump, when they're not scratching their heads because Trump is so deeply stupid, and his administration so profoundly incompetent that China doesn't even know with whom to negotiate. But Trump got his trade war. Which he is losing. Because he is a deeply stupid man.

Trump's trade war already has cost 300,000 American jobs. And every time he opens his mouth about China, the American stock markets get spooked. And then after threatening to escalate his trade war, Trump backed down, and now desperately wants to find a way out of yet another crisis that is entirely of his own making. Because he has no idea what he’s doing. Because he is a deeply stupid man who routinely gets his ass kicked on the world stage.

This would be funny if it weren't so serious. Trump's trade war could devastate the American economy. A nuclear armed Iran would be bad for everyone. A North Korea that is ramping up its nuclear program is bad for everyone. And that the guy who sits at the big desk in the Oval Office is a deeply stupid man who routinely gets his ass kicked on the world stage also is bad for everyone.

Except for those foreign leaders who routinely kick his ass
35   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 23, 7:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Trump's arrogance and ignorance are killing people
When stupid people think they're smart, they do maximum damage. That's where we are with Trump and the pandemic

Chauncey DeVega
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a term that describes a psychological phenomenon in which stupid people do not know that they are in fact stupid.

Writing at Pacific Standard, psychologist David Dunning — one of the social psychologists who first documented this type of cognitive bias — describes it in more detail:

In many areas of life, incompetent people do not recognize  —  scratch that, cannot recognize  —  just how incompetent they are, a phenomenon that has come to be known as the Dunning-Kruger effect. Logic itself almost demands this lack of self-insight: For poor performers to recognize their ineptitude would require them to possess the very expertise they lack. To know how skilled or unskilled you are at using the rules of grammar, for instance, you must have a good working knowledge of those rules, an impossibility among the incompetent. Poor performers  —  and we are all poor performers at some things  —  fail to see the flaws in their thinking or the answers they lack. What's curious is that, in many cases, incompetence does not leave people disoriented, perplexed, or cautious. Instead, the incompetent are often blessed with an inappropriate confidence, buoyed by something that feels to them like knowledge.

The Dunning-Kruger effect manifests in the form of the drunk at the bar who weighs in on every conversation with unwanted advice, the online troll who monopolizes comment sections, or the person who reads one book (or perhaps the introduction) and then acts like an authority on the subject.

Visionary science-fiction writer Isaac Asimov signaled to the Dunning-Kruger effect with his famous observation in 1980: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"

But he is also something much worse than that. Donald Trump is an almost perfect living, breathing example of the Dunning-Kruger effect: a president in a time of plague whose ignorance and stupidity are amplified through apparent and obvious mental illness as well as cruelty, compulsive lying, grand immorality, corruption and evil.

Americans have already died because of Trump's false claims about the novel coronavirus pandemic. Many more will die in the weeks and months ahead.

At Tuesday's coronavirus White House "briefing" (another version of Trump's ego-stroking carnival political rallies) he made another "expert" suggestion about how to defeat the novel coronavirus pandemic: Wear scarves instead of masks for protection.

In fact, scarves offer no protection against the coronavirus.

Several weeks ago, Donald Trump visited the headquarters of the Centers for Disease Control where he made this astonishing claim:

You know, my uncle was a great person. He was at MIT. He taught at MIT for, I think, like a record number of years. He was a great super genius. Dr. John Trump. I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this? ' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.

Apparently, Trump believes he knows more than some of the best trained and experienced doctors and medical researchers in the world.

Trump also believes himself to be an expert on the types of medical equipment needed to fight the novel coronavirus. He has suggested that governors in New York, New Jersey, Michigan and elsewhere are intentionally exaggerating the number of ventilators needed in hospitals to care for victims of the pandemic.

On multiple occasions, Donald Trump has claimed that there is no ventilator shortage in New York. According to him, ventilators and other medical equipment being stolen by doctors, nurses and other medical staff who are selling them, bringing them home for personal use or perhaps even hoarding the equipment in private.

Donald Trump claims to have magical powers. He has repeatedly said that the novel coronavirus will disappear at some future date which only he can predict.

Trump has said he was the first person to label the novel coronavirus a "pandemic." And because he believes himself to be an expert on all things, Trump can pivot without pause, apprehension or doubt from claiming that the novel coronavirus was a "hoax" to embracing the view that it is a dire threat that could kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans.

Trump is also an epidemiologist or virologist, at least in his mind. Last week he said, "You can call it a germ, you can call it a flu, you can call it a virus, you know you can call it many different names. I'm not sure anybody even knows what it is."

Medical professionals know what the novel coronavirus is and have been warning the Trump administration about the threat for months.

Most likely for partisan reasons and also because of racism (Trump's immense disdain for Barack Obama), Trump's administration also ignored the step-by-step suggestions for fighting a pandemic outlined by the National Security Council in 2016.

Donald Trump has evidently made decisions about which Americans should live and which should die based on their perceived partisan loyalty.

The Dunning-Kruger president is an expert in so many things that it is difficult to keep track of them all. Writing at MSNBC, Steven Benen made a valiant effort at cataloguing Trump's claims to preternatural expertise:

About a year ago, for example, Trump was reflecting on technology measures that have been deployed along the U.S./Mexico border, and he assured the public, "I'm a professional at technology."

What kind of technology? He didn't say, but we can probably assume he meant every possible kind.

As we discussed at the time, Trump has also claimed to be the world's foremost authority on everything from terrorism to campaign finance, the judicial system to infrastructure, trade to renewable energy. NowThis prepared a video montage on the subject a while back, and it was amazing to see the many subjects on which the president considers himself a world-class expert.

A belief in their inherent intelligence and great skill in all things is a common trait among authoritarians and other demagogues such as Donald Trump. North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, according to national legend, could shoot guns better than a trained sniper at age three. At age eight, he was a daredevil truck driver. Adolf Hitler and his acolytes also made claims to greatness and superhuman abilities.

Trump's embrace of stupidity and ignorance reflects much deeper problems in the United States generally, and the Republican Party and the conservative movement in particular.

Today's Republican Party and conservative movement possess a deep disdain and hostility towards true experts and qualified, proven professionals. Such people are slurred as being "elitists" or not "real Americans," and are suspected of being liberal Democrats who belong to a "deep state" cabal working against Donald Trump and his army of real Americans, with the goal of enslaving them to "political correctness."

Many of Trump's strongest supporters are Christian nationalists who aim to overturn the Constitution and destroy secular, science-based, empirical reality and society. Such people believe in magic, and are the most stalwart, influential and loyal members of Trump's political death cult.

Historian and political scientist Richard Hofstadter famously warned that Republicans and other conservatives had succumbed to the allure and power of anti-intellectualism. Hofstadter's "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life" was written in 1963.

Writing in 1947, Albert Camus reflected on Nazism and authoritarianism through the metaphor of misery and suffering caused by a plague:

The evil in the world comes almost always from ignorance, and goodwill can cause as much damage as ill-will if it is not enlightened. People are more often good than bad, though in fact that is not the question. But they are more or less ignorant and this is what one calls vice or virtue, the most appalling vice being the ignorance that thinks it knows everything and which consequently authorizes itself to kill. The murderer's soul is blind, and there is no true goodness or fine love without the greatest possible degree of clear-sightedness.

Some 70 years later, Camus' warnings resonate in the age of Donald Trump.

People such as Donald Trump are all too common among humanity. Unfortunately, some of them rise to great prominence during the most dangerous and troubled times — times when their ignorance and hubris has the power to kill hundreds, thousands or even millions of people. Such a time is now.
36   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Apr 23, 7:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
President Donald Trump has left the impression with foreign officials, members of his administration, and others involved in Iranian negotiations that he is actively considering a French plan to extend a $15 billion credit line to the Iranians if Tehran comes back into compliance with the Obama-era nuclear deal.


I'm going to demonstrate something which will probably be lost on you:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=President+Donald+Trump+has+left+the+impression+with+foreign+officials%2C+members+of+his+administration%2C+and+others+involved+in+Iranian+negotiations+that+he+is+actively+considering+a+French+plan+to+extend+a+%2415+billion+credit+line+to+the+Iranians+if+Tehran+comes+back+into+compliance+with+the+Obama-era+nuclear+deal.&t=canonical&ia=web

Notice how many websites and "news" sites have that exact same story, repeated all over the place. Look at who is the "journalist" that wrote that article.

Erin Banco and Asawin Suebsaeng on https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-flirts-with-dollar15-billion-bailout-for-iran-sources-say

Laurence Lewis on https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/15/1885047/-Donald-Trump-is-a-deeply-stupid-man-who-routinely-gets-his-ass-kicked-on-the-world-stage

Nancy LeTourneau on https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/09/12/trump-tries-to-extinguish-the-fire-he-started-with-iran/

You're just printing propaganda. Do you know how often the same 6 words in the English language are repeated when you're not quoting somebody? It's one in millions. It's easy to find out if you're reading propaganda by just taking out 10 words from a sentence, and plugging it into a search engine. Repeatedly, you will find the same "story" told by multiple people on multiple sites, attributed to multiple authors.
37   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 23, 7:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I copied some extremely well written references

You enjoy them here commercial free.

Yes of course I did not make it up on the spot, THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT PROPAGANDA.

Of course you can use the words to find the references.

So what? Nobody’s making money from my comments
38   ThreeBays   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 23, 7:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Are you sure Tucker Carson's watchers didn't die already from covid and strokes?

Otherwise I don't see how we don't have a civil war yet with the level of divisive lying coming out of his mouth.
39   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 23, 7:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
divisive lying coming out of his mouth.
They estimate Trump is over 15,000 public lies now.

In my old age I observe that it’s the truly stupid people that think they know so much, or like they are the only one who has a brain.

I’m 68
40   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 23, 8:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
You're just printing propaganda
That’s original.

The standard answer is “TDS”

You never have to read a single word that way
41   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Apr 23, 8:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
I copied some extremely well written references

You enjoy them here commercial free.

Yes of course I did not make it up on the spot, THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT PROPAGANDA.


I pointed out that "news" sources copy the same story repeatedly, give them different bylines and different authors, and falsely claim they are the authors. That's what makes it propaganda. I even gave you links so you could verify what I was saying was correct. I felt it was a waste of time and I said so when I wrote it.

The reason the same story is repeated, nearly verbatim, by multiple "authors" is because you're reading propaganda, from an unknown source.

Remember when the Mueller Report was being claimed by a lot of "reporters" to have damning evidence that Trump has colluded with Russia and they even told you multiple ways he supposedly had? Didn't you notice that they never ever cited the page number on the report to support their claim? It was because they were simply lying. They never cite original sources. When I was more naive I would believe some BS news story and then go to the source to confirm it expecting to find it. That was decades ago.

We do not have a news media in the United States at all today. Nobody that has any interest in what is going on listens to "news" anymore. We all know it's fake news, we know it's propaganda. It's been propaganda since the 2nd Iraq invasion, and it was mostly propaganda during the first. Remember this?



That's the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador at the time. Her testimony was critical in solidifying American citizen's support for war against Iraq. She was lying. What she describes in that video never happened. She was coached by Hill and Knowlton - a PR firm, a propaganda firm. Everything she says in that video is a lie.

Nothing you see or read in "establishment" news can be trusted at this point. Nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1UOQSrRPfE

It doesn't matter. Some people prefer the dream.
42   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 23, 8:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Some people prefer the dream.
All this means that you still don’t think Trump is a stupid fucking bastard

Because it could be lies like the war against Iraq
43   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Apr 23, 8:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
Some people prefer the dream.
All this means that you still don’t think Trump is a stupid fucking bastard


No, it means I understand the battle isn't between the left and the right, it's between the government and the rest of us. I don't care if Trump is stupid or not, I only care about results. He's the first president since Jimmy Carter that hasn't begun a new war this far into his first term. That's an improvement, and it's been a damned long time since I've seen an improvement.

jazz_music says
Because it could be lies like the war against Iraq


This makes absolutely no sense given the context of what you wrote. That's a non sequitur.

I was trying to point out that the media is full of crap and that you are naive to continue to place any amount of trust in it.
44   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Apr 23, 8:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
You're just printing propaganda
That’s original.


I gave you 3 articles that printed the same story, attributed to different authors on each site, here they are again:

richwicks says
Erin Banco and Asawin Suebsaeng on https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-flirts-with-dollar15-billion-bailout-for-iran-sources-say

Laurence Lewis on https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/15/1885047/-Donald-Trump-is-a-deeply-stupid-man-who-routinely-gets-his-ass-kicked-on-the-world-stage

Nancy LeTourneau on https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/09/12/trump-tries-to-extinguish-the-fire-he-started-with-iran/


They all "wrote" the same article. Isn't that odd? Identify the original author.

The United States very literally doesn't have a news media. Trump made an offer of 15 billion dollars to Iran? How do you know? How do these "journalists" know? How do you know what a "journalist" is writing is truthful?

You don't. You've seen them lie:

&t=2s

Can you not see the blatantly obvious green screen? The reporter claims to be "on location". You're wasting your time pointing to "news" articles that you can't verify or even identify the original author of - more importantly you waste your time believing them. I just simply don't understand who can continue to pay attention to the mainstream "news" and not realize it's BS. How can you not see the obvious at this point? 1/2 the country can.
45   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Apr 24, 9:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says

Recall that Trump said that Frederick Douglass, who died in 1895, was “an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more.” He also claimed that Andrew Jackson, who died 16 years before the Civil War, “was really angry that he saw what was happening in regard to the Civil War.”


No, provide proof that Trump said these things.

jazz_music says
They estimate Trump is over 15,000 public lies now.


Name the worst lie of Trump, or the top 5. Here's the worst lie of George W. Bush:



And here's what I think was the worst lie of Barack Obama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-tvZvUE79Y
46   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Apr 24, 11:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
the “Russia thing"

Do you seriously still believe in the Russian collusion BS? Seriously?
47   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Apr 24, 11:59am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
How could Trump fire Comey

The head of the FBI serves the president and the people. I would have fired that rat bastard Comey long before Trump did.

As long as you continue to underestimate our president he will keep winning and the TDS will cause severe mental and physical health problems.
48   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Apr 24, 12:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
Republican presidents are dangerous to national and world security, but none more than Trump.

Trump is a republican in name only. The worst wars are started under democrats. Do a little research on history and you will see what I mean. "Those that forget their history are condemned to repeat it".
49   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Apr 24, 12:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
Chauncey DeVega
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a term that describes a psychological phenomenon in which stupid people do not know that they are in fact stupid.

Maybe take an IQ test?
50   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Apr 24, 12:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
Those that forget their history are condemned to repeat it


But isn't history written by the winners?

It's not history anyhow, it's propaganda. We aren't taught history.
51   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Apr 24, 12:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
In my old age I observe that it’s the truly stupid people that think they know so much, or like they are the only one who has a brain.


How do you know that's not you?
52   richwicks   ignore (4)   2020 Apr 24, 12:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
jazz_music says
In my old age I observe that it’s the truly stupid people that think they know so much, or like they are the only one who has a brain.


How do you know that's not you?


I agree with this. I have tried to reason with jazz_music multiple times and explain to him why I think his thinking might be incorrect and I don't get responses. Supposedly Trump is the worst president ever, who lies constantly, and is just downright awful. Based on what? To show me what a moron Trump supposedly is, he gave me a bunch of news articles. I want to know why HE thinks Trump is a moron. The stuff that shows up in "news" is just a essay of bad logic and un-cited unverifiable "facts".

I think he either lacks information on what exactly the previous presidents did (for example: Clinton bombed the al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Sudan to distract from Monica Lewinksi's testimony on what was on her blue dress), or he's just repeating what he's heard in mainstream "news" because he still trusts it. He appears to be trapped in the false dichotomy of PartyA good and PartyB bad. If Trump had run on the Democratic ticket and won, I bet there'd be plenty of boneheads on the right lambasting him in every conceivable way.

I really swear to god, that the most difficult generation to talk to is the boomer generation. You'd think for a generation that got pushed into Vietnam over the Gulf of Tonkin which didn't happen, they'd be more skeptical. They seem to be the first to shut you down and try to shut you up when you engage in wrongthink. This is a generation that got to see the Church committee on television and when you talk about what was revealed in that, why, you're a "conspiracy nut" to them. It's as if they can't conceive that a government could be systemically corrupt which is precisely why it is systemically corrupt. They look the other way when criminal malfeasance is discovered, they seem to have done this their entire adult lives.
53   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 24, 5:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
How do you know that's not you?
That's a distraction from talking about Trump's and Hannity's disinformation and mishandling of virus responses. That is a tactic to set yourself up as judge.

The OP is an amazing once-in a lifetime subject.

There's no justification or debt I owe to either of you to discuss myself instead of the subject.

You can disagree. You can agree. You can argue why Trump is great, why those references, which I retrieved and laid out before you commercial free have no merits, but if I talk with no reference that is bloviating or TDS?

Why is that not enough? How is it that you feel you are deserving of decency and respect but not me?

Why don't people filter themselves with some humility to make themselves worthy of a response and the time it takes?

Magnetic-focus on ad hominem is not cute, playing on the brink of Flagged comments is miserable and motivates me to spend my time in better ways.

I invite both of you to do self examination. You are entitled to assess yourself and respond accordingly.

Again

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54   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 24, 7:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Look at who is the "journalist" that wrote that article.

Erin Banco and Asawin Suebsaeng on https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-flirts-with-dollar15-billion-bailout-for-iran-sources-say

Laurence Lewis on https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/15/1885047/-Donald-Trump-is-a-deeply-stupid-man-who-routinely-gets-his-ass-kicked-on-the-world-stage

Nancy LeTourneau on https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/09/12/trump-tries-to-extinguish-the-fire-he-started-with-iran/

You'r...
There is nothing unattributed about all those articles, and they are all different too.

Conclusion that they are propaganda is non sequitur.

I used references to legitimately show that Trump is doing poorly and is stupid, being manipulated by other leaders while Fox declares victory at every debacle.

What you claim you did is not true.

BTW truth is NOT unknowable.

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