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Illegal immigration directly reduces the wages of poor US citizens by $100,000,000,000 per year
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2020 Apr 21, 5:30pm 1,049 views 29 comments
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clambo
2020 Apr 21, 5:38pm
Of course this is true, and even some of my working poor friends know this.
If you add the government expenses of educating, incarcerating, and medicating them, the total amount is huge.
That $1 head of lettuce really costs $10.
There were fewer serfs and peasants after the Black Plague, so the land owners had to cut a deal with them.
Without the workers, the landlords were screwed.
Thus, the Magna Carta was born.
The laws of supply and demand apply to labor.
If you add the government expenses of educating, incarcerating, and medicating them, the total amount is huge.
That $1 head of lettuce really costs $10.
There were fewer serfs and peasants after the Black Plague, so the land owners had to cut a deal with them.
Without the workers, the landlords were screwed.
Thus, the Magna Carta was born.
The laws of supply and demand apply to labor.
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marcus
2020 Apr 21, 6:12pm
marcus
2020 Apr 21, 6:12pm
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So you're saying that some 40 year old guy in Wisconsin whose parents managed a good middle class living and lifestyle (without college) is going to pick vegies in the season, and then perhaps cut grass or be a bus boy the rest of the year ?
You don't think they could compete for those jobs now ? Or is it that you think those jobs will pay so much more after all the illegal immigrants are deported ?
Patrick says
It's actually money that's being made by poor people.
Our capitalist system, such as it is, has always had an underclass, comprised of immigrants, and ex-slaves. For a while there 80 percent or more of the country was dirt poor. IF you want to change what you're talking about, flattening the inequality, the first thing you have to do is change the tax structure. It's not going to happen from the bottom up (except politically perhaps from the bottom up) .
A lot of the people you're talking about are spoiled, and would rather kill themselves than bust ass for $80 to$100 for a day of hard work.
If you're talking about doubling or tripling the pay for that kind of work, I could see that, but it would take structural changes that would come before massive deportations, and you would be looking at an economic collapse the likes of which we've never seen if you tried to do it..
So it's pointless bullshit. And it's also talking about ruining far more lives than it helps.
So you're saying that some 40 year old guy in Wisconsin whose parents managed a good middle class living and lifestyle (without college) is going to pick vegies in the season, and then perhaps cut grass or be a bus boy the rest of the year ?
You don't think they could compete for those jobs now ? Or is it that you think those jobs will pay so much more after all the illegal immigrants are deported ?
Patrick says
Taken from the poor, who can hardly afford it.
It's actually money that's being made by poor people.
Our capitalist system, such as it is, has always had an underclass, comprised of immigrants, and ex-slaves. For a while there 80 percent or more of the country was dirt poor. IF you want to change what you're talking about, flattening the inequality, the first thing you have to do is change the tax structure. It's not going to happen from the bottom up (except politically perhaps from the bottom up) .
A lot of the people you're talking about are spoiled, and would rather kill themselves than bust ass for $80 to$100 for a day of hard work.
If you're talking about doubling or tripling the pay for that kind of work, I could see that, but it would take structural changes that would come before massive deportations, and you would be looking at an economic collapse the likes of which we've never seen if you tried to do it..
So it's pointless bullshit. And it's also talking about ruining far more lives than it helps.
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Patrick
2020 Apr 21, 6:14pm
Patrick
2020 Apr 21, 6:14pm
marcus says
Yes, talking about doubling or tripling the pay, employing Americans ONLY.
We already have an economic collapse.
Massive deportations are long overdue. They were put off by the rich to keep profiting from the misery of the poor.
It's time.
If you're talking about doubling or tripling the pay for that kind of work, I could see that, but it would take structural changes that would come before massive deportations, and you would be looking at an economic collapse the likes of which we've never seen if you tried to do it..
Yes, talking about doubling or tripling the pay, employing Americans ONLY.
We already have an economic collapse.
Massive deportations are long overdue. They were put off by the rich to keep profiting from the misery of the poor.
It's time.
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Patrick
2020 Apr 21, 6:19pm
Patrick
2020 Apr 21, 6:19pm
marcus says
And if you want to flatten inequality, pay US citizens better by deporting their illegal competition en masse.
Side benefit: trickle-up works FAR better than trickle-down. When the poor get money, they spend it.
flattening the inequality
And if you want to flatten inequality, pay US citizens better by deporting their illegal competition en masse.
Side benefit: trickle-up works FAR better than trickle-down. When the poor get money, they spend it.
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Bd6r
2020 Apr 21, 7:02pm
Bd6r
2020 Apr 21, 7:02pm
Patrick says
And this is why Trump introduced e-verify with an executive order 3 years ago?
Illegal immigration directly reduces the wages of poor US citizens by $100,000,000,000 per year
And this is why Trump introduced e-verify with an executive order 3 years ago?
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RWSGFY
2020 Apr 21, 7:49pm
RWSGFY
2020 Apr 21, 7:49pm
Cutting grass used to be a way for school kids to get some extra pocket money. Now it's all taken over by illegals.
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Patrick
2020 Apr 21, 8:18pm
Patrick
2020 Apr 21, 8:18pm
Not only that, but people around here sometimes say that the gardeners are basically a protection racket. You must hire one or another of the illegal groups of gardeners or something bad might happen to your house.
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Patrick
2020 Apr 21, 8:20pm
Patrick
2020 Apr 21, 8:20pm
rd6B says
OK, but what's the point? That Trump tried to do something, or that the vast majority in California still ignore immigration law, with active assistance from the governor and "sanctuary" groups which clearly don't care that illegals take $100B in wages from poor US citizens every year.
Patrick saysIllegal immigration directly reduces the wages of poor US citizens by $100,000,000,000 per year
And this is why Trump introduced e-verify with an executive order 3 years ago?
OK, but what's the point? That Trump tried to do something, or that the vast majority in California still ignore immigration law, with active assistance from the governor and "sanctuary" groups which clearly don't care that illegals take $100B in wages from poor US citizens every year.
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clambo
2020 Apr 21, 8:56pm
Marcus is wrong, not everyone depended on poor immigrants and slaves; the early settlers of the colonies often had no slaves, they were expensive.
The invention of the cotton gin made cotton farming hugely profitable and actually created a demand for slaves, but cotton wasn’t grown in all colonies, nor was tobacco.
Farm workers are a small percentage of the illegal foreign workers here today.
My mother picked strawberries in the summer as a young girl; later she was a chambermaid at a hotel in Nantucket for a summer job.
Go up to Canada in the summer and you will see Canadian workers doing all sorts of things.
Importing workers hurts American workers.
The invention of the cotton gin made cotton farming hugely profitable and actually created a demand for slaves, but cotton wasn’t grown in all colonies, nor was tobacco.
Farm workers are a small percentage of the illegal foreign workers here today.
My mother picked strawberries in the summer as a young girl; later she was a chambermaid at a hotel in Nantucket for a summer job.
Go up to Canada in the summer and you will see Canadian workers doing all sorts of things.
Importing workers hurts American workers.
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marcus
2020 Apr 21, 9:24pm
marcus
2020 Apr 21, 9:24pm
clambo says
THey're also not that big a percentage of construction. Many cities actually have unions for construction.
I understand what Patrick is arguing for here, It's a ridiculous fantasy. And it goes against our system in so many ways.
Spoiled Americans doing those restaurants, hotels, country clubs, nannies, landscapers, roofing, plumbing assistants, seasonal work,
Population decrease ? How do we pay for social security and medicare with so many less workers ?
WE would have to default on our debts, yes including many promises made to ourselves, Soc security, Medicare, pensions, all of that get's restructured. I know you love to see all those millions of govt workers get hosed.
The dollar as reserve currency ? Hyperinflation ? Who do you actually think pays for this. I say it's the middle class. It's not the billionaires, not in a way that they ultimately feel.
Sure we've created some huge problems for ourselves. But illegal immigrants isn't the root cause, any more than lowering taxes is the solution.
Farm workers are a small percentage of the illegal foreign workers here today.
THey're also not that big a percentage of construction. Many cities actually have unions for construction.
I understand what Patrick is arguing for here, It's a ridiculous fantasy. And it goes against our system in so many ways.
Spoiled Americans doing those restaurants, hotels, country clubs, nannies, landscapers, roofing, plumbing assistants, seasonal work,
Population decrease ? How do we pay for social security and medicare with so many less workers ?
WE would have to default on our debts, yes including many promises made to ourselves, Soc security, Medicare, pensions, all of that get's restructured. I know you love to see all those millions of govt workers get hosed.
The dollar as reserve currency ? Hyperinflation ? Who do you actually think pays for this. I say it's the middle class. It's not the billionaires, not in a way that they ultimately feel.
Sure we've created some huge problems for ourselves. But illegal immigrants isn't the root cause, any more than lowering taxes is the solution.
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marcus
2020 Apr 21, 9:59pm
marcus
2020 Apr 21, 9:59pm
Patrick says
Middle class pays more for many services, Including child care. Restaurant, Hotels, food all get drastically more expensive. What, you thought the owners pay for it ?
Lol ! Hahahahah! !
Side benefit: trickle-up works FAR better than trickle-down. When the poor get money, they spend it.
Middle class pays more for many services, Including child care. Restaurant, Hotels, food all get drastically more expensive. What, you thought the owners pay for it ?
Lol ! Hahahahah! !
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Bd6r
2020 Apr 21, 9:59pm
Bd6r
2020 Apr 21, 9:59pm
Patrick says
That, I think, Trump does not really care for presence or absence of illegals. If he would, he could have done something more efficient than talking about "the wall", e.i. introducing mandatory e-verify.
OK, but what's the point? That Trump tried to do something, or that the vast majority in California still ignore immigration law, with active assistance from the governor and "sanctuary" groups which clearly don't care that illegals take $100B in wages from poor US citizens every year.
That, I think, Trump does not really care for presence or absence of illegals. If he would, he could have done something more efficient than talking about "the wall", e.i. introducing mandatory e-verify.
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marcus
2020 Apr 21, 10:06pm
marcus
2020 Apr 21, 10:06pm
rd6B says
YEs. Obviously. It's bullshit and Patrick knows it.
In fact some of his key businesses that he is in, and that his brand is licenced for are some of the largest users of illegal immigrants. That is hotels, country clubs, restaurants (in the clubs and hotels, golf courses. We're talk YUGE YUGE numbers. Some construction helpers too when he is building.
Amazing how much slack the media gives him on this. If they fully understood how people actually believed his bullshit maybe they would feel more of a responsibility to cover this. I think they just assume that people have common sense and know that he lies constantly. THey are under the assumption that it's impossible for an intelligent person to kid themselves on this, and also somehow they have been convinced it would seem like attacking the President. I guess all that whining on the right works. "The media is so mean to Trump - it's not the stupid stuff he says and does."
Trump does not really care for presence or absence of illegals.
YEs. Obviously. It's bullshit and Patrick knows it.
In fact some of his key businesses that he is in, and that his brand is licenced for are some of the largest users of illegal immigrants. That is hotels, country clubs, restaurants (in the clubs and hotels, golf courses. We're talk YUGE YUGE numbers. Some construction helpers too when he is building.
Amazing how much slack the media gives him on this. If they fully understood how people actually believed his bullshit maybe they would feel more of a responsibility to cover this. I think they just assume that people have common sense and know that he lies constantly. THey are under the assumption that it's impossible for an intelligent person to kid themselves on this, and also somehow they have been convinced it would seem like attacking the President. I guess all that whining on the right works. "The media is so mean to Trump - it's not the stupid stuff he says and does."
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marcus
2020 Apr 21, 10:11pm
marcus
2020 Apr 21, 10:11pm
:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/trump-organization-undocumented-workers
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/trump-organization-undocumented-workers
Demonizing immigrants played a key role in Donald Trump’s campaign for the presidency, just as cracking down on “illegal” border crossings and whipping the base into a frenzy over a so-called migrant “invasion” has been a regular feature of his time in office and reelection efforts. But undocumented immigrants have also served another, lesser known but nevertheless vital function in the president’s life: providing cheap labor at his businesses. And not just, like, in years past, or in the first few months of his presidency, but as of—what’s that now?—today.
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Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 7:33am
Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 7:33am
marcus says
@Marcus, if media would do this, media would go against its own narrative about St. Undocumented Immigrants.
marcus says
Don't kid yourself - media is borderline retarded - they attack Trump like rabid dogs, but because they are so stupid, they make shit up as they go instead of using real bad stuff Trump has a lot of - and as a consequence Trump plays media as a fiddle helping him not only with his base but also independents.
Amazing how much slack the media gives him on this.
@Marcus, if media would do this, media would go against its own narrative about St. Undocumented Immigrants.
marcus says
"The media is so mean to Trump - it's not the stupid stuff he says and does."
Don't kid yourself - media is borderline retarded - they attack Trump like rabid dogs, but because they are so stupid, they make shit up as they go instead of using real bad stuff Trump has a lot of - and as a consequence Trump plays media as a fiddle helping him not only with his base but also independents.
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Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 7:35am
Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 7:35am
marcus says
and this is an example of media retardation - the border crossings they refer to are not "illegal", they are ILLEGAL.
Demonizing immigrants played a key role in Donald Trump’s campaign for the presidency, just as cracking down on “illegal” border crossings
and this is an example of media retardation - the border crossings they refer to are not "illegal", they are ILLEGAL.
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
2020 Apr 22, 7:43am
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2020 Apr 22, 7:43am
It's politics and ignorance. Dopey liberals lump illegal immigrants in with legal immigrants. They are courting their voters, even if citizens of other countries. They ignore past immigration laws and restrictions. Ignore immigrant screening mechanisms at Ellis Island, for example. Appeal to the words on the Statue of Liberty without acknowledging the contemporaneous existence of restrictive immigration laws. Toxic imbeciles.
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Patrick
2020 Apr 22, 7:50am
Patrick
2020 Apr 22, 7:50am
willywonka says
How can people even live with themselves when they lie like that about a crime?
It's like claiming that bank robbers aren't criminals, they are just people making undocumented withdrawls.
Dopey liberals lump illegal immigrants in with legal immigrants.
How can people even live with themselves when they lie like that about a crime?
It's like claiming that bank robbers aren't criminals, they are just people making undocumented withdrawls.
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Patrick
2020 Apr 22, 7:54am
Patrick
2020 Apr 22, 7:54am
marcus says
What are you talking about?
The point is that trickle-up works, and trickle down does not. Especially in this era of zero interest rates, no one is very dependent on savers or the rich for loans. There isn't even much that is profitable to invest in lately. We have plenty of supply, and not enough demand.
The economy runs on spending and the poor spend the most of what they get, resulting in every dollar that the poor gets being far better for the economy than a dollar that the rich or even the middle class gets.
Patrick saysSide benefit: trickle-up works FAR better than trickle-down. When the poor get money, they spend it.
Middle class pays more for many services, Including child care. Restaurant, Hotels, food all get drastically more expensive. What, you thought the owners pay for it ?
Lol ! Hahahahah! !
What are you talking about?
The point is that trickle-up works, and trickle down does not. Especially in this era of zero interest rates, no one is very dependent on savers or the rich for loans. There isn't even much that is profitable to invest in lately. We have plenty of supply, and not enough demand.
The economy runs on spending and the poor spend the most of what they get, resulting in every dollar that the poor gets being far better for the economy than a dollar that the rich or even the middle class gets.
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Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 9:58am
Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 9:58am
Onvacation says
Does connections with the mob qualify? And not Russian (Russian connections are nonexistent crap as they are made up by leftoids during elections), but connections with New York mob - think if any serious real estate dealer in NY could do any business in 1970's/80's without wheeling and dealing with mob?
A link from pre-election times, when press was more or less fair to trump:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-walks-out-over-questions-about-his-mafia-connections-during-bbc-panorama-interview-8695855.html
I posted some other links about that previously.
Also, how come someone who is ventilating about illegal immigration does not introduce e-verify? That also counts as bad stuff and shows that he does not actually care.
Got any examples?
Does connections with the mob qualify? And not Russian (Russian connections are nonexistent crap as they are made up by leftoids during elections), but connections with New York mob - think if any serious real estate dealer in NY could do any business in 1970's/80's without wheeling and dealing with mob?
A link from pre-election times, when press was more or less fair to trump:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-walks-out-over-questions-about-his-mafia-connections-during-bbc-panorama-interview-8695855.html
I posted some other links about that previously.
Also, how come someone who is ventilating about illegal immigration does not introduce e-verify? That also counts as bad stuff and shows that he does not actually care.
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Onvacation
2020 Apr 22, 10:12am
Onvacation
2020 Apr 22, 10:12am
rd6B says
from your link:
So he had a deal with someone who later was found to have mob connections. So is this the worst thing Trump did you can find?
Is there actually anything our president has done that is illegal?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-walks-out-over-questions-about-his-mafia-connections-during-bbc-panorama-interview-8695855.html
from your link:
“Shouldn’t you have said: ‘Felix Sater, you’re connected with the mafia and you’re fired’?” Mr Trump was asked.
In response, underlining that the link between himself and Mr Sater was merely a “very simple licensing deal”, he said: “Maybe you’re thick but when you have a signed contract, you can’t in this country just break it… Sometimes we’ll sign a deal and the partner isn’t as good as we’d like but that does happen, and by the way, I hate to do this but I do have that big group of people waiting so I have leave…”
So he had a deal with someone who later was found to have mob connections. So is this the worst thing Trump did you can find?
Is there actually anything our president has done that is illegal?
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Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 10:31am
Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 10:31am
OK, a few more things that I dislike (not necessarily illegal):
He will eliminate debt in 8 years. How is that working out currently?
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/275003-trump-i-will-eliminate-us-debt-in-8-years
He is a big gov't supporter:
https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/trump-goes-ape-sheet-crazy-with-government-sponsored-housing-memorandum-cfQyr2eXBESQh_JOaZnAtw
The Trump administration has finally turned its attention to housing policy. Unfortunately, the president’s Memorandum on Housing Finance Reform, issued last week, is a major disappointment. It will keep taxpayers on the hook for more than $7 trillion in mortgage debt. And it is likely to induce another housing-market bust, for which President Trump will take the blame.
And more about Trump mafia connections - do you really think that anyone in NYC RE in those years did not wheel and deal with the Mob? About illegal, I am sure they had good enough lawyers so that nothing was "illegal"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/trump-swam-in-mob-infested-waters-in-early-years-as-an-nyc-developer/2015/10/16/3c75b918-60a3-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html
As he fed the political machine, he also had to work with unions and companies known to be controlled by New York’s ruling mafia families, which had infiltrated the construction industry, according to court records, federal task force reports and newspaper accounts. No serious presidential candidate has ever had Trump’s depth of documented business relationships with mob-controlled entities.
The companies included S&A Concrete , which supplied building material to the Trump Plaza on Manhattan’s East Side, court records show. S&A was owned by Anthony “Fat Tony” Salerno, boss of the Genovese crime family, and Paul Castellano, boss of the Gambino family. The men required that major multimillion-dollar construction projects obtain concrete through S&A at inflated prices, according to a federal indictment of Salerno and others.
Salerno eventually went to prison on federal racketeering, bid-rigging and other charges. His attorney, Roy Cohn, the former chief counsel to Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.), was one of the most politically connected men in Manhattan. He was also Trump’s friend and occasionally his attorney. Cohn was never charged over any dealings with the mob, but he was disbarred shortly before his death in 1986 for ethical and financial improprieties.
He will eliminate debt in 8 years. How is that working out currently?
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/275003-trump-i-will-eliminate-us-debt-in-8-years
He is a big gov't supporter:
https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/trump-goes-ape-sheet-crazy-with-government-sponsored-housing-memorandum-cfQyr2eXBESQh_JOaZnAtw
The Trump administration has finally turned its attention to housing policy. Unfortunately, the president’s Memorandum on Housing Finance Reform, issued last week, is a major disappointment. It will keep taxpayers on the hook for more than $7 trillion in mortgage debt. And it is likely to induce another housing-market bust, for which President Trump will take the blame.
And more about Trump mafia connections - do you really think that anyone in NYC RE in those years did not wheel and deal with the Mob? About illegal, I am sure they had good enough lawyers so that nothing was "illegal"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/trump-swam-in-mob-infested-waters-in-early-years-as-an-nyc-developer/2015/10/16/3c75b918-60a3-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html
As he fed the political machine, he also had to work with unions and companies known to be controlled by New York’s ruling mafia families, which had infiltrated the construction industry, according to court records, federal task force reports and newspaper accounts. No serious presidential candidate has ever had Trump’s depth of documented business relationships with mob-controlled entities.
The companies included S&A Concrete , which supplied building material to the Trump Plaza on Manhattan’s East Side, court records show. S&A was owned by Anthony “Fat Tony” Salerno, boss of the Genovese crime family, and Paul Castellano, boss of the Gambino family. The men required that major multimillion-dollar construction projects obtain concrete through S&A at inflated prices, according to a federal indictment of Salerno and others.
Salerno eventually went to prison on federal racketeering, bid-rigging and other charges. His attorney, Roy Cohn, the former chief counsel to Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.), was one of the most politically connected men in Manhattan. He was also Trump’s friend and occasionally his attorney. Cohn was never charged over any dealings with the mob, but he was disbarred shortly before his death in 1986 for ethical and financial improprieties.
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WookieMan
2020 Apr 22, 11:09am
WookieMan
2020 Apr 22, 11:09am
rd6B says
Which makes it all the more hysterical that he beat Hillary. And they couldn't find any dirt on him besides "saying" grab 'em by the pussy, a few BK's, multiple wives, Trump U, Russia collusion, withholding Ukranian aid in an effort to "interfere" with a political rival and a host of other things. There's so much shit on the wall that it's been compromised and Trump will have to rebuild it.... lol. He beat the "queen" with that fucking record.
All this has actually happened and he will get a 2nd term at this point. Even with this overhyped virus. Until someone lobs a nuke somewhere which is my fear. Pandemic didn't work. He's avoided conflict militarily. That will be the last test probably this summer or fall unfortunately. The one thing with media, internet and cameras now, you can't off a sitting POTUS without it being discovered. They're trying to kill his regime through other means.
My gut tells me something big is on the horizon. Hope I'm wrong.
he also had to work with unions and companies known to be controlled by New York’s ruling mafia families
Which makes it all the more hysterical that he beat Hillary. And they couldn't find any dirt on him besides "saying" grab 'em by the pussy, a few BK's, multiple wives, Trump U, Russia collusion, withholding Ukranian aid in an effort to "interfere" with a political rival and a host of other things. There's so much shit on the wall that it's been compromised and Trump will have to rebuild it.... lol. He beat the "queen" with that fucking record.
All this has actually happened and he will get a 2nd term at this point. Even with this overhyped virus. Until someone lobs a nuke somewhere which is my fear. Pandemic didn't work. He's avoided conflict militarily. That will be the last test probably this summer or fall unfortunately. The one thing with media, internet and cameras now, you can't off a sitting POTUS without it being discovered. They're trying to kill his regime through other means.
My gut tells me something big is on the horizon. Hope I'm wrong.
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Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 11:43am
Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 11:43am
WookieMan says
I fear that as well. Can't think what it is that though. Seems that what we have now is leftoid ideal world, when we march under government orders and OBEY without questioning, and are given meager rations for following their instructions. I lived through collapse of USSR, and there is something in air which is similar to end of 1980's USSR. I hope very much that I am wrong.
WRT to Trump, I agree 100% with what you said. I'm not sure if them no finding anything is media retardation, or things that can be found about him would implicate powerful NY D politicians...
My gut tells me something big is on the horizon. Hope I'm wrong.
I fear that as well. Can't think what it is that though. Seems that what we have now is leftoid ideal world, when we march under government orders and OBEY without questioning, and are given meager rations for following their instructions. I lived through collapse of USSR, and there is something in air which is similar to end of 1980's USSR. I hope very much that I am wrong.
WRT to Trump, I agree 100% with what you said. I'm not sure if them no finding anything is media retardation, or things that can be found about him would implicate powerful NY D politicians...
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Patrick
2020 Apr 22, 12:19pm
Patrick
2020 Apr 22, 12:19pm
Yes, could totally be a case of Trump having better dirt on big Democrats than they have on him.
It does seem right to worry that this is all just a precursor to the hammer really dropping. But OTOH, the Wuhan virus has had many profound anti-globalist effects:
- no one trusts China anymore
- our ridiculous dependency on China for critical supplies is being openly questioned
- H1B's blocked for the moment
- illegals out of work
- such huge masses of US citizens unemployed that they are likely to lynch the employers of illegals, hopefully soon
- national borders stronger across the world
- the shrill drone of RACISM RACISM RACISM as a justification for globalism is fading into the background noise...
Clearly our owners have lost control of the situation.
It does seem right to worry that this is all just a precursor to the hammer really dropping. But OTOH, the Wuhan virus has had many profound anti-globalist effects:
- no one trusts China anymore
- our ridiculous dependency on China for critical supplies is being openly questioned
- H1B's blocked for the moment
- illegals out of work
- such huge masses of US citizens unemployed that they are likely to lynch the employers of illegals, hopefully soon
- national borders stronger across the world
- the shrill drone of RACISM RACISM RACISM as a justification for globalism is fading into the background noise...
Clearly our owners have lost control of the situation.
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Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 12:29pm
Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 12:29pm
Patrick says
@Patrick,
Tucker Carlson yesterday said that H1B's are not blocked. Trump is not giving out any more green cards, that is all. I bet this is because he employs H1's in his hotels, if you want my cynical opinion.
Patrick says
Preventing this is the reason why population was given a $1200 handout.
Patrick says
Hopefully, but there is an ancient Chinese curse: May you live during interesting times!
- H1B's blocked for the moment
@Patrick,
Tucker Carlson yesterday said that H1B's are not blocked. Trump is not giving out any more green cards, that is all. I bet this is because he employs H1's in his hotels, if you want my cynical opinion.
Patrick says
such huge masses of US citizens unemployed that they are likely to lynch the employers of illegals,
Preventing this is the reason why population was given a $1200 handout.
Patrick says
Clearly our owners have lost control of the situation.
Hopefully, but there is an ancient Chinese curse: May you live during interesting times!
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Patrick
2020 Apr 22, 5:52pm
Patrick
2020 Apr 22, 5:52pm
rd6B says
Not going to save them. People will burn through that in two weeks.
rd6B says
Would be nice to know for sure. As a mere drone in the system, it's hard to find the time to do the research. No doubt that is a central strength of the oligarchs. They have the money to pay people.
Patrick sayssuch huge masses of US citizens unemployed that they are likely to lynch the employers of illegals,
Preventing this is the reason why population was given a $1200 handout.
Not going to save them. People will burn through that in two weeks.
rd6B says
Tucker Carlson yesterday said that H1B's are not blocked.
Would be nice to know for sure. As a mere drone in the system, it's hard to find the time to do the research. No doubt that is a central strength of the oligarchs. They have the money to pay people.
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Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 6:38pm
Bd6r
2020 Apr 22, 6:38pm
Patrick says
@Patrick,
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-if-the-point-of-trumps-immigration-executive-order-was-to-protect-american-jobs-it-failed/
“The new moratorium on immigration will last for 60 days, at which point it could be extended, or it may not be extended. The ban will apply only to individuals seeking permanent residency in this country — in other words, people who like the United States enough to stay permanently, and would like green cards to be able to do it legally. But the ban will not apply to those entering the United States on a temporary basis. That means it will not affect guest workers. That’s an awful lot of exceptions.”
I am not accusing you @Patrick, but an awful lot of people incl on Patnet think in terms of ORANGEMAN BAD RACIST, while others think that we have SECOND COMING OF ORANGE JESUS who walks on water and can do no wrong. Truth is probably somewhere in middle. We just need to figure out closer to which extreme it is.
Would be nice to know for sure. As a mere drone in the system, it's hard to find the time to do the research. No doubt that is a central strength of the oligarchs. They have the money to pay people.
@Patrick,
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-if-the-point-of-trumps-immigration-executive-order-was-to-protect-american-jobs-it-failed/
“The new moratorium on immigration will last for 60 days, at which point it could be extended, or it may not be extended. The ban will apply only to individuals seeking permanent residency in this country — in other words, people who like the United States enough to stay permanently, and would like green cards to be able to do it legally. But the ban will not apply to those entering the United States on a temporary basis. That means it will not affect guest workers. That’s an awful lot of exceptions.”
I am not accusing you @Patrick, but an awful lot of people incl on Patnet think in terms of ORANGEMAN BAD RACIST, while others think that we have SECOND COMING OF ORANGE JESUS who walks on water and can do no wrong. Truth is probably somewhere in middle. We just need to figure out closer to which extreme it is.
Taken from the poor, who can hardly afford it.
Illegals fuck America for their own benefit, while being employed by criminal businesses and criminal individuals who are fucking America to increase their own profits or to take a few bucks away from a poor US citizen by employing a Mexican or Guatemalan citizen instead.
So the average American gets an extra 0.06% (1 percent of 6 percent) in increased GDP but the blue collar workers get utterly SHAFTED by $100 billion.
If you want to kick the poor when they're already down, bring in the illegals! If you promote "sanctuary", which is just a way to feel good about looking the other way while our poor are the victims of a massive crime, then you also deserve whatever the employers of illegals get.
https://cis.org/Report/Immigration-and-American-Worker
It's kind of surprising that the many millions of fucked-over poor US citizens haven't started personally visiting the employers of illegals and their facilitators like Pelosi and Newsom to express their displeasure yet, given the enormity of the crime and the obvious corruption of our government in letting it go on so long and so openly for the benefit of campaign donors. Hell, our government is literally giving illegals our tax money outright.
Now that there are vastly more unemployed, perhaps it will become crystal-clear to the masses of US citizens that the laws against employing illegals need to be enforced one way or another. If the government won't enforce the law, maybe the people will.
Until that happy day, we should all do our best to publicly document and turn in the employers of illegals.