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May is the grand reopening, unless hundreds of thousands start dying from this flu.

I meant cold.

What is the difference between a cold and flu?
Flu and the common cold are both respiratory illnesses but they are caused by different viruses. Because these two types of illnesses have similar symptoms, it can be difficult to tell the difference between them based on symptoms alone. In general, flu is worse than the common cold, and symptoms are more intense. Colds are usually milder than flu. People with colds are more likely to have a runny or stuffy nose. Colds generally do not result in serious health problems, such as pneumonia, bacterial infections, or hospitalizations. Flu can have very serious associated complications.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/coldflu.htm

I think all next week practical cooler heads will prevail, and a lot of questions that have been unasked will finally be asked, exposing it all.

Stay seated it's going to be riveting.

Trump wasn't joking yesterday when he ended the briefing talking about Voter Id's. We're going to all be back to work before the last of the stimulus checks are mailed, so Trump can make Voter ID happen.

NoCoupForYou says

* In a Week or So
* In a Month

In a week or so is probably too soon. What seems inevitable to me, though, is that so many people losing jobs and evictions happening, the real threat is going to be social breakdown and rioting as people become desperate not only because of the monotony but the obtuseness of landlords and creditors when there is absolutely nothing they can do about it. Like someone said in my other post, it's time for these institutions that have so many billions of dollars in reserve over the past years to help people now their backs are against the wall. None of these credit card companies or other creditors would go broke if they excused say the first $5,000 of a balance or eliminated penalties for late payments indefinitely.

I think it's a soft open in May with lots of recommended restrictions that the old people will simply not follow as they are not following them now. If there's even the slightest uptick I'd guess they shut certain places back down again on a local level?

I hate making Big Brother bigger, but new temporary laws might need to be put in place. If you look 60+, you should be carded at the door of EVERY establishment and cannot enter. 59 and under are allowed in. We do the exact same with alcohol and a whole host of other things legally or commercially. We simply need the deaths to stop and old people are stubborn as fuck because they know they're on hole 16 to 17 of life. So they don't care.

Give those 60+ the stimulus. Engage the grocery delivery companies and subsidize them for however long it takes. Literally pay their mortgage/rent (within reason for those that need the financial help). Give them ready to go laptops and allow screen control to family members so the non-techs can still use the video conferencing services and order stuff online. Even if this is government money, at least it stimulates and gets people back to work. This is the reverse of war for the population. The old are going to have to make sacrifices.

Whatever the percentage is, it's generally on social security anyway. Many are retired and minimally contributing to the economy. They cost of fortune in government healthcare services. These are unproductive and expensive people for the most part. If they want to live, you're gonna have to do it this way for a while instead of making everyone else shut down. The writing is on the wall.

One month sounds right. That will give us time to get our shit in order to deal with severe Covid cases, get supplies of drugs and medical equipment, and be ready to deal with the inevitable outbreak.
It will happen no matter how long we quarantine.
At some point we will have to deal with the outbreak, until people get immunity. We can’t wait forever on a vaccine. If they don’t have it ready in a month or two, we gotta look at everyone just getting the Rona and getting over it.

NoCoupForYou says

Should we Reopen the Economy:

I previously bet some friends that it would open by May 1. That looks doubtful now, unless there is a big shift in understanding of this thing (as many futilely attempted to spark here).

I'm still hopeful. This is a situation where having Trump as a leader works against us. Because everyone, even his supporters know how greedy and narcissistic he is. We know all the stories about his past (well some of us do). We know how much he cares about the economy relative to HOW IT EFFECTS HIM. I'm not saying any other leader wouldn't be just as aware of that.

SO let's say the time comes to weigh opening the economy versus not. What we would need is a lot of experts, academics, science people, economists, and even democrats, looking at it, and of course it would have to be true that it was worth the risk. Trump at that time should almost be arguing against it. Because if he is in favor of it, too many people -not saying all - just too many) will assume that this is like all of his past business failures, and that his decision making skills can not be trusted (and that as always he is thinking fist and foremost about himself).

So he needs to use some psychology here, and not make it about him. That's pretty close to impossible for him, becasue if it's successful, he wants credit. THat's so much more important to him than helping America.

If we would just summarily pitchfork everybody over 60 right now, we could get the economy back on track by Monday.

marcus says

So he needs to use some psychology here, and not make it about him. That's pretty close to impossible for him, becasue if it's successful, he wants credit. THat's so much more important to him than helping America.

He just did a complete flip on opening up for Easter and extending until the end of April....? He's seems to be listening and you're projecting his future actions with no basis for that besides Trump is bad in your opinion. Totally confused on this statement. It makes zero sense. He had to eat his words on that goal and backtrack. Easter would have been in his personal best interests....

I get your hate for Trump and that's your right. But at least make sense.

I think we'll reopen by May 1 in steps.

Horndogs will be having sex swinger ocean cruises again by mid April.

Ceffer says

Horndogs will be having sex swinger ocean cruises again by mid April.

Maybe they can host covid-19 immune swinger parties for the recovered. Could be a good business venture.

mell says

Maybe they can host covid-19 immune swinger parties for the recovered. Could be a good business venture.

That's one way to revitalize the cruise industry.

WookieMan says

59 and under are allowed in.

Why not 49? Or maybe we should base societal exclusion on weight or BMI? Maybe skin color?

Liberty for all.

Booger says

mell says

Maybe they can host covid-19 immune swinger parties for the recovered. Could be a good business venture.

That's one way to revitalize the cruise industry.

Motto could be: "Cruise, booze, and cooze."

From news

The USA topped 1,000 coronavirus deaths in a single day for the first time Wednesday, a daily death toll more than double that of two of America's most deadly illnesses – lung cancer and the flu. Some researchers say the daily death toll could more than double – to 2,200 or more – by mid-April. That figure would eclipse heart disease, the nation's No. 1 killer with about 1,772 deaths per day, according to the CDC.

marcus says

This is a situation where having Trump as a leader works against us.

Can you think of a situation where you think Trump as a leader is working for us?

Or do you think he is working for the Russians and his own personal interest and has no care for the citizens of the USA?

People should take a lesson from this about the advantages of capitalism. I went over to Walmart to see if they had any chicken salad sandwiches which I had failed to buy several days earlier, then they were out of for a couple of days. They had a whole row of fresh sandwiches, and I saw people with toilet tissue in their baskets. I went over to the often bare isle and they were parceling out eight packs of 1,000 sheet rolls of Great Value tissue for $4.97. No central planner told them to do that, someone is realizing a profit on every one of those rolls and sandwiches and thank goodness for it. If we were operating under socialism as Bernie and company prefer, we'd already be like Venezuela.

It actually doesnt do well on food, it dies quickly, especially in liquid or gooey substances (which transport it into the stomach to die) but the virus - being sticky itself - survives much better on the packaging.

Why hasn't Walmart gassed its OldFuck crumbling greeters yet? Is it because they still get their crap goods from China?

Fortwaynemobile says

From news

The USA topped 1,000 coronavirus deaths in a single day for the first time Wednesday, a daily death toll more than double that of two of America's most deadly illnesses – lung cancer and the flu. Some researchers say the daily death toll could more than double – to 2,200 or more – by mid-April. That figure would eclipse heart disease, the nation's No. 1 killer with about 1,772 deaths per day, according to the CDC.

This is a stupid comparison. I swear I hate the msm. Proper reporting would be whats at world o meter without the fucking uninformed commentary.

Hate the media so damn much right now.

CovfefeButDeadly says

Hate the media so damn much right now.

The ultimate roadblock to truth, honor, balanced perspective, and credibility, while wasting time, space and attention that could be placed on more constructive mental endeavors. Being goosed by institutionalized con artists and paid, pandering sociopaths, well, that's what we used to rely on Realtors for.

Onvacation says

May is the grand reopening, unless hundreds of thousands start dying from this flu.

Lot's of motivated reasoning.
Admitting the contagion is contained, what would stop it from starting spreading again as soon as people start congregating?

I think we can restart some activities (retail, manufacturing) in 2 months provided we have massive number of masks and testing.

But everything that requires large/dense groups is closed until vaccine: (cinemas, cafes, restaurants, hotels, concerts, sporting events, conferences, probably schools, etc...) .

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Wouldn't that depend on estimates of active cases versus percentage estimates of population that is then immune ? With enough testing, the modelers can project where we are at at that time. Perhaps the resulting slow growth projections at that time will be considered tolerable (or maybe not).

This is a really good instance of a time when politics and wishful thinking need to be taken out of the analyses. Perhaps a valuable lesson in these times of excessive bullshit and fake news. The truth is that really good analysis can be done, and I don't mean by me or other arm chair quarterbacks on this forum, twitter and such.

We should have followed the Swedish course of action and never closed anything except extremely large venues. I was driving around our city yesterday and construction workers are congregating in yuuge crowds, illegals are still in ever increasing and desperate crowds under Hwy 59, homeless congregate as well, basically it is only the middle class and certain types of businesses being hit. Other businesses are exempted becuase they have bought off city leadership or closing them will make population of barrios revolt. This is not a containment, it is a joke so that city leaders can say that we did something so your grandma dying is not our fault.

About vaccine, corona appears to mutate very fast. I doubt we will get a general vaccine. Which means we need "herd immunity", and that can be obtained either in a relatively short time not ruining economy, or it can be stretched out for a year until we live in caves after economy collapses.

rd6B says

About vaccine, corona appears to mutate very fast. I doubt we will get a general vaccine. Which means we need "herd immunity", and that can be obtained either in a relatively short time not ruining economy, or it can be stretched out for a year until we live in caves after economy collapses.

This CV has hardly mutated at all so far, they don't mutate fast it's just over the many years many different strains have evolved. Most of these strains are well known though. But I agree that meds and herd immunity are more important than waiting for a vaccine.

marcus says

I'm still hopeful. This is a situation where having Trump as a leader works against us. Because everyone, even his supporters know how greedy and narcissistic he is. We know all the stories about his past (well some of us do). We know how much he cares about the economy relative to HOW IT EFFECTS HIM. I'm not saying any other leader wouldn't be just as aware of that.

Kind of like Educators and Admins, and many Federal and State Workers. Thy continue to collect their full salary, which allows them to be Anti-Trump and hope for an economic disaster to immanentize the eschaton.

Now, if this goes beyond April 15th, they should all be furloughed until school opens or the economy re-opens or both. Why should 100% of State Health Officials checking restaurants, bars, barber shops, etc. be getting 100% of pay when 90% of those are closed?

It's absolutely ridiculous that one group should continue to get paid in full for no or little work, while tens of millions are out of work entirely. Nobody should be that privileged in a national emergency.

That way they have skin in the game, and their TDS will be tempered by economic realities like the vast majority in the Private Sector.

They need to check their EduPrivilege!

Ceffer says

Why hasn't Walmart gassed its OldFuck crumbling greeters yet? Is it because they still get their crap goods from China?

They did that last year
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/25/696718872/walmart-is-eliminating-greeters-workers-with-disabilities-feel-targeted

Booger says

They did that last year

That's great. No more wrinkled claws grasping your sleeve or rattling, fungussy dentures spitting in your face when shopping for dangerous but cheap Chinese goods.

NoCoupForYou says

immanentize the eschaton

You need to stop using this phrase. It has already caused me to have an epileptic fit, crossed my eyes, made me paranoid, and caused me a sprained tongue trying to pronounce it. It hasn't improved with repetition.

NoCoupForYou says

It's absolutely ridiculous that one group should continue to get paid in full for no or little work, while tens of millions are out of work entirely. Nobody should be that privileged in a national emergency.

Oh the push back is coming. At minimum a government worker collecting full pay AND barely or not working at all shouldn't get a stimulus check. Anyone collecting a government pension should get nothing from this. If you get social security, filed taxes and there's no employment listed on your taxes, no stimulus.

If UE claims top 20M total (10M next week basically) then the economy opens back up May 1st 100%. If this is a war.... I'm willing to take the risk. If you can't take the risk, stay home and ask for assistance. I saw a news clip of maybe up to 100 people in a hospital cheering on a CV-19 "survivor" being released from the hospital. I though they were fucking overwhelmed? I'll try to find the clip.

People should be doing screen grabs of this stuff and posting it here before it all disappears. Didn't someone start a thread on this already here? If not we should. Looking for said clip now.

WookieMan says

NoCoupForYou says

It's absolutely ridiculous that one group should continue to get paid in full for no or little work, while tens of millions are out of work entirely. Nobody should be that privileged in a national emergency.

Oh the push back is coming. At minimum a government worker collecting full pay AND barely or not working at all shouldn't get a stimulus check. Anyone collecting a government pension should get nothing from this. If you get social security, filed taxes and there's no employment listed on your taxes, no stimulus.

If UE claims top 20M total (10M next week basically) then the economy opens back up May 1st 100%. If this is a war.... I'm willing to take the risk. If you can't take the risk, stay home and ask for assistance. I saw a news clip of maybe up to 100 people in a hospital cheering on a CV-19 "survivor" being released from the hospital. I though they were fuc...

They should really use all of the advanced antibody testing pronto and start sending all the recovered/immune back out to work and play hard.

Heraclitusstudent says

But everything that requires large/dense groups is closed until vaccine: (cinemas, cafes, restaurants, hotels, concerts, sporting events, conferences, probably schools, etc...) .

What if (when) the virus mutates and the vaccine stops working?

Onvacation says

Heraclitusstudent says

But everything that requires large/dense groups is closed until vaccine: (cinemas, cafes, restaurants, hotels, concerts, sporting events, conferences, probably schools, etc...) .

What if (when) the virus mutates and the vaccine stops working?

Just because a virus mutates doesn't mean the vaccine becomes totally ineffective. The flu vaccine often only has partial protection (since there are so many strains) and can make cases less severe. It's all about managing the number of people needing to be hospitalized. Once we have that under control maybe as a combo of vaccine and proven meds there's no reason for any sort of lockdown just because we have one more cold/flu/pneumonia virus and deprive people of their livelihood and right to free assembly.

NoCoupForYou says

They need to check their EduPrivilege!

I know you would never believe it, but I've been working really hard these past couple weeks.

Why is it any different than the millions in the private sector that are working from home, you know, other than the fact that you hate us.

NoCoupForYou says

like the vast majority in the Private Sector

Interesting question. What proportion of private sector employees are now working from home ?

According to you it's 1 - (vast majority)

I don't know about that. But it's definitely a lot.

marcus says

NoCoupForYou says

They need to check their EduPrivilege!

I know you would never believe it, but I've been working really hard these past couple weeks.

Why is it any different than the millions in the private sector that are working from home, you know, other than the fact that you hate us.

Before anyone says anything, I have no doubt that you are. Online stuff is actually time consuming. I’m also aware even if teachers aren’t directly doing that, there’s other areas many are working in.

There’s people slacking where I work and most are in management. It’s under the guise of work at home, but they really aren’t doing shit. It’s an embarrassment really as the lower level workers are stuck doing all the crap and the mgmt employees should be too.

But I don’t think there’s too many teachers in LA just screwing around doing nothing.

Trump is forming a second reopen task force.
He's creating The Ministry Of Getting Shit Done.

In answer to the original question. Yesterday.

www.youtube.com/embed/Bzk0n7h6I-o