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12 experts questioning the Wuhan virus panic


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2020 Mar 26, 7:56pm   1,829 views  31 comments

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https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/

Our main problem is that no one will ever get in trouble for measures that are too draconian. They will only get in trouble if they do too little. So, our politicians and those working with public health do much more than they should do.

No such draconian measures were applied during the 2009 influenza pandemic, and they obviously cannot be applied every winter, which is all year round, as it is always winter somewhere. We cannot close down the whole world permanently.

Should it turn out that the epidemic wanes before long, there will be a queue of people wanting to take credit for this. And we can be damned sure draconian measures will be applied again next time. But remember the joke about tigers. “Why do you blow the horn?” “To keep the tigers away.” “But there are no tigers here.” “There you see!”

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1   clambo   2020 Mar 26, 9:17pm  

People who are higher risk could have stayed home from work and away from restaurants and groups without killing the economy and spending trillions of borrowed money.

The cure may worse than the disease.

Of course Dr. Fauci sees it from his perspective which is to prevent potential deaths.

During my time in S. Florida, it seemed like people were dropping like flies all over the place, it’s just what happens to older people and those who have been sick or are still chronically sick.
2   WookieMan   2020 Mar 27, 12:50pm  

clambo says
People who are higher risk could have stayed home from work and away from restaurants and groups without killing the economy and spending trillions of borrowed money.

They still don't fucking stay home though. That's the problem with this. We've got a generation of people that are too stupid to fuck up the easiest thing they can do. Sit at home and watch TV.

The young and middle aged maybe, maybe have a week of this left. I think shit opens back up before easter. We're coming to a breaking point. Old people don't riot and burn shit down.
3   georgeliberte   2020 Mar 27, 2:28pm  

People at work are freaked out if someone coughs. They have delineated 'lines of death' using color tape6' from their desk; which, usually ends in the middle of the aisle and freak when anyone 'encroaches on their space.'
I have been calmer and more rational after installing a 55-gallon drum of sanitizer to keep my Super-Soaker full.
4   Ceffer   2020 Mar 27, 4:53pm  

I heard that all 12 of them have died gruesome deaths from Covid-19, screaming in pain before exploding and shooting pus everywhere. This is what happens when you deny the pandemic.
5   Onvacation   2020 Mar 27, 4:53pm  

Ceffer says
I heard that all 12 of them have died gruesome deaths from Covid-19, screaming in pain before exploding and shooting pus everywhere. This is what happens when you deny the pandemic.


PINK pus!
6   WookieMan   2020 Mar 27, 4:54pm  

Tim Aurora says
But I am staying and WFH til the next few months.

You won't have a job or income in 2 weeks. Not sure what you're talking about months for. Don't know or care what you do, but government workers won't be sparred from this if this goes another 30 days. Someone quote and call me out later.
7   Onvacation   2020 Mar 27, 4:55pm  

Onvacation says
PINK pus!


It's the details that make the horror more alarming.
8   WookieMan   2020 Mar 27, 5:12pm  

Tim Aurora says
WookieMan says
You won't have a job or income in 2 weeks. Not sure what you're talking about months for. Don't know or care what you do, but government workers won't be sparred from this if this goes another 30 days. Someone quote and call me out later.


I work in a private firm. I live miserly and have saved enough to survive for a few months.

Very few if any corps have $$$$ for another month. Same with gov. I honestly hope the best for everyone here and elsewhere regardless of any shit thrown around here. I can be an ass hole for sure, but I don't wish ill will on anyone. Trump can't control a virus how ever much anyone dislikes him.

Old people are gonna die or need to stay home. Not much else to this.
9   Bd6r   2020 Mar 27, 5:18pm  

Sweden, which is usually loved by more liberal persons, is using a relaxed approach and has not closed schools, restaurants, and gyms.
They are the wrong socialists, almost as bad as ORANGEMAN! We need to panic NOW!
https://theconversation.com/sweden-under-fire-for-relaxed-coronavirus-approach-heres-the-science-behind-it-134926
10   Patrick   2020 Mar 27, 5:22pm  

WookieMan says
Old people are gonna die or need to stay home.


It's not that binary.

Among the elderly who do get it, 85% survive.

Sure, it's not great, but it's not a certain death sentence.
11   WookieMan   2020 Mar 28, 7:30am  

Patrick says
WookieMan says
Old people are gonna die or need to stay home.


It's not that binary.

Among the elderly who do get it, 85% survive.

Sure, it's not great, but it's not a certain death sentence.

I know we're seeing more shit on the news about 40-50 year olds going through the "worst cold of their lives" but they're still alive. And yes, you're correct, it's not a death sentence.

But the people actually dying from this are retired, out of work, old people who are generally unhealthy. Also living in elder care homes in densely populated areas. Our solution to the problem though is to shut down young(ish) people and have our economy basically grind to a halt or go down to 30% capacity?

I'm fully aware of the fear of death. You can't kill the young in the process of something that's going to happen anyway. I think Trump is coming around, but day by day I'm getting more pissed with the response. I don't care to know anyone's age here, but my peers that own businesses, have jobs, etc. are all freaking out from something that statistically can't and won't kill them without other underlying issues. They need to work.

I'm in constant communication with multiple groups of people trying to be positive. People that aren't in harms way of this thing are fucking hurting. Bad. I can't stand government stimulus, but anyone that thinks $1,200 for someone making $60k makes a difference in their life is nuts. Likely doesn't even cover rent/mortgage.

We need to open back up. Invest in casket companies if there's one publicly traded. It's a fucking virus. The flu vaccine is supposedly 30% effective, so we can look forward to that when a vaccine is created... It's here to stay and there's not much we can do about it. Creating herd immunity would be the best thing for the future even if it causes short term pain. I'm willing to die if it makes my kids future better.
12   RC2006   2020 Mar 28, 7:44am  

WookieMan says
Invest in casket companies if there's one publicly traded.


CSV STON MATW
13   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2020 Mar 28, 8:29am  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
Any responsible person has 10-20 years of savings, YAMS! and belt fed ammo and the kids qualified for hand grenade combat for free fire fights that could run two shifts a day for at least 5-10 years.

There is even room for little luxuries. Got hickory to smoke meat in case we end up having to gut, smoke and eat the fallen. Adds another 5 years to our survival time horizon.

FACE!

IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER!


This!!!!!
14   georgeliberte   2020 Mar 28, 8:34am  

rd6B says,
Sweden, which is usually loved by more liberal persons, is using a relaxed approach and has not closed schools, restaurants, and gyms.
They are the wrong socialists, almost as bad as ORANGEMAN! We need to panic NOW!
https://theconversation.com/sweden-under-fire-for-relaxed-coronavirus-approach-heres-the-science-behind-it-134926
Don't trust the Swedes they are trying to throw things back to Global Climate Change and their own homegrown Greta Thunburg.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/27/epa-issues-smart-coronavirus-rules-greta-thunberg-/
15   georgeliberte   2020 Mar 28, 8:39am  

I believe things will break down for self isolation faster than some people expect, like Michael Bloomberg.
This guy may be one of them:
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-social-distancing-over-back-to-normal/608752/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
16   Bd6r   2020 Mar 28, 8:50am  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
Any responsible person has 10-20 years of savings, YAMS! and belt fed ammo

I do have about 10 yrs worth of savings and enough ammo to last a long time. I do not like yams so I have not stocked them. Am I an irresponsible peron who is not worthy to be called an American?
17   Patrick   2020 Mar 28, 9:32am  

WookieMan says
We need to open back up. Invest in casket companies if there's one publicly traded.


https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SCI does funeral stuff.

But maybe they won't benefit all that much because:

1. the total death toll is likely to be lower than in the mostly-unreported flu epidemic of 2018
2. people may not have elaborate funerals for those who do die of Wuhan virus, definitely not open casket
18   Hircus   2020 Mar 28, 1:35pm  

Patrick says
2. people may not have elaborate funerals for those who do die of Wuhan virus, definitely not open casket



Plus, at the time people die, their families are likely to have disrupted or uncertain income, making them likely to spend frugally.

We have about 2.8M deaths per yr in the USA. I think ~1.5M covid-19 deaths is quoted as a upper bound by many, so it's likely the realistic, actual # of deaths will be a lot less.

I think it's unlikely this virus will significantly change casket demand.
19   WookieMan   2020 Mar 28, 6:10pm  

Hircus says
We have about 2.8M deaths per yr in the USA. I think ~1.5M covid-19 deaths is quoted as a upper bound by many, so it's likely the realistic, actual # of deaths will be a lot less.

I think it's unlikely this virus will significantly change casket demand.

I was being a touch sarcastic. I generally don't trade in individual stocks. Wasn't even sure if there was a play for caskets. Either way, there's a move to be made on medical and death right now.... I just don't have any tips.
20   PeopleUnited   2020 Mar 29, 6:25am  

clambo says
People who are higher risk could have stayed home from work and away from restaurants and groups without killing the economy and spending trillions of borrowed money.

The cure may worse than the disease.

Of course Dr. Fauci sees it from his perspective which is to prevent potential deaths.

During my time in S. Florida, it seemed like people were dropping like flies all over the place, it’s just what happens to older people and those who have been sick or are still chronically sick.


When someone takes their own time and effort and resources to do good and save others they can be considered a hero. When someone tells a whole state or a whole country of 330 million people they are not free to work, buy, sell or travel for an extended period (more than 2-3 weeks) is that not tyranny? When congress takes money they don’t have (ultimately taxpayer funded) and gives it to businesses they told to shut down that is theft and tyranny!

The powers that be are taking advantage of a pandemic to further impoverish and control the American people. We need people like Patrick Henry to stand up for Liberty. Chances are you will vilified, martyred or worse for doing so but if you don’t you may soon find yourself in a country and world where you no longer are free to question the narrative.
21   mell   2020 Mar 29, 10:52am  

In Germany they don't count people who died while having CV if they had an underlying condition that was more serious than CV and if their life expectancy was below a certain threshold. That is far more honest reporting. Not the US alarmist shill media.
22   WookieMan   2020 Mar 29, 11:25am  

mell says
In Germany they don't count people who died while having CV if they had an underlying condition that was more serious than CV and if their life expectancy was below a certain threshold. That is far more honest reporting. Not the US alarmist shill media.

That's the problem with all these numbers. There's no standard or consistency across the globe. When my dad passed away last June, if this had been around and he had gotten it, he would have died earlier. But his true cause of death wouldn't be BECAUSE of CV-19. It was liver failure from cancer.

I feel like patients dying with CV-19 are listing that as the cause of death (the doctors). It may have pushed them over the edge, but is didn't cause the death it if that makes sense. Basically they were already at deaths door and they likely would have died from a standard flu infection.
23   just_passing_through   2020 Mar 29, 11:46am  

Tim Aurora says
I have stocked food for a few years and have enough ammo .


But did you guys cache toilet paper?
25   Ceffer   2020 Mar 29, 1:11pm  

New Head of CDC and Coronavirus Task Force:
26   Booger   2020 Mar 29, 2:42pm  

just_dregalicious says
But did you guys cache toilet paper?


As long as your shower works, you don't need toilet paper.
27   zzyzzx   2020 Mar 30, 9:23am  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
What are you storing for durable and reasonably complete food source? Tin sealed oats and tuna?


No yams???
28   HeadSet   2020 Mar 30, 11:51am  

End Dangerous Campaign Against Social Distancing

You mean like "hug a Chinese" and Pelosi's trip to get people to patronize Chinatown establishments?
29   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Mar 30, 12:46pm  

thomasdong1776 says
800,000 Doctors to Trump: Heed Expert Warnings and End Dangerous Campaign Against Social Distancing


January - February: WHO: Don't shut down travel to China!
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/04/coronavirus-quaratine-travel-110750
https://www.wired.com/story/travel-bans-and-quarantines-wont-stop-coronavirus/

February: World Health "law" Experts in Lancelet: Don't shut down travel to China
Global health law experts say dozens of countries — including the United States and Australia — are breaking international law by imposing travel restrictions during the novel coronavirus outbreak.

In a commentary published in The Lancet medical journal, 16 health law scholars argue that the restrictions on travellers who’ve been in China, the epicentre of the COVID-19 outbreak, are driven by “fear, misinformation, racism and xenophobia,” rather than science.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6549566/covid-19-travel-restrictions-racism-scholars/

End of February: Foreign Policy Mag says keep international travel going (SURPRISE!)
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/23/virus-travel-bans-are-inevitable-but-ineffective/

Mid - March (!!!): CBC says Travel Bans, Bad... singles out Trump (ignores Australia and 70 other countries' Travel Bans)
U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to restrict travel from most European countries to try to contain what he called a "foreign virus" isn't grounded in science and breaks international law, experts say.

Trump announced the month-long travel ban earlier this week to restrict passenger arrivals from 26 European nations that he said "seeded" the virus. The U.S. has since added the U.K. and Ireland to that list.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid19-travel-bans-1.5495919

Of course, on March 18th, Golden Metrosexual Man agreed with Trump to close the US-Can Border for travel.
30   socal2   2020 Mar 30, 12:51pm  

All these fucking experts putting Political Correctness in front of Science and Public Health.

Remember these fuckers when similar "experts" are telling us to tank our economies for Climate Change.
31   Patrick   2020 Mar 30, 12:58pm  

Well, Democrats got what they wanted, even if it wasn't via their chosen vehicle of global warming.

Complete implosion of the economy, mass unemployment.

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