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They have lost their way big time. Being the party for the middle class is dead. They have taken the worse qualities of the Republicans and doubled down on the worse of the worse of their own side.

Soros is going end up crying as the Democrat factions end up infighting and destroying themselves. All he can do is cry "My Babies! My Babies!"

The DNC Convention is going to make the Ferguson riot look like a Gay Parade on Anderson Cooper's street.

Obama's legacy CIA Operatives, Hillary connected DNC henchmen, and the Soros Brownshirt army are going to violently duke it out in the streets.

They were all told it was "Their Streets" and they want it now.

Patrick says

They used to be the party of labor, but now they are the party that impoverishes labor by insourcing illegals and outsourcing jobs to China.

This is almost a complete lie.

It's a lie becasue In the Obama years there were huge measures taken to decrease illegal immigration.Your assertion contradicts this entirely. It's a lie.

As for exporting jobs to china ? Pinning that on democrats is also a complete and total fabrication.

This is why Trump followers are a cult. They only have lies to pin their support on.

Trump taps into your fears of diversity, and your desire to blame democrats for the decline of our country that has as it's greatest cause the debt binge that can be traced back to the Reagan era. Focus on short term gain, and total neglect of long term planning is the reason for many of our biggest problems.

That 4 decade debt binge, which Trump has take to a new level - is inexorably tied in many ways to our decline.

I don't know what's up with that bill you posted about in another thread. It does seem strange. It's sort of like republicans tearing down a lot of good things that Obama did, just becasue it was Obama. If corporations are backing laws that protect illegal immigrant criminals, the only reason I can imagine is that it's to get Trump reelected, for continued tax cut raping of America's future.

They changed their message from strong working class to public ownership of everything. Meanwhile, the Republicans are securing the working class by tariffing the countries that affect them the most and restricted the unfettered immigration of unskilled labor. Most people would be happy with a decent paying job...they don't need the government to go in and tax the crap out of everyone that would offer them said job.

Patrick says

ask where they money is coming from, or what the corporations want in return for all that money. (More outsourcing of jobs, more insourcing of illegals, duh.)

Let me get this straight. Corporations are playing financial games to support their stock prices, and seem to be only interested in this quarters profits or possibly the next few quarters, but when it comes to planning for hires, they are planning generations in to the future ?

That must be what you mean. Either that or you think corporations are hiring a lot of newly immigrated mexican workers, you know, directly in to training programs where they will be programmers or marketing people ?

I thought most of those people became nannies, janitors, farm workers, landscaping, low level construction workers, painters, car wash workers, restaurant workers and so on.

What you seem to be arguing is that if those jobs paid better, it would trickle up to all the middle class type jobs. Engineers, architechs, management, marketing at corporations etc.

Why ?

At best it would be inflationary if there were less workers for those jobs. But inflation is just prices for everything going up. In the short run it would be good for people that do that kind of work, but the cost gets passed on. Going to a restaurant, having a nanny, getting your lawn taken care of, all these things get more expensive. Why is that good ? If you get a raise out of it, it will only be equal to how much your cost of living has increased becasue of it. I don't get it.

I'm not even convinced that most corporation wouldn't welcome inflation. Most have a lot of low interest rate debt on their books. All the long term debt that was issued at 2 or 3%. All it takes is a few years of high inflation to make all that debt a big big big big win for them, as it would be for people like Trump who have a lot of highly leveraged assets.

Your argument reeks of stretching to justify your adoration of great leader.

marcus says

This is almost a complete lie.

It's a lie becasue In the Obama years there were huge measures taken to decrease illegal immigration.Your assertion contradicts this entirely. It's a lie.

What about completely damning examples like this?


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CA & NY = Dem Pasture Land. There's plenty of other examples like this, and you know it.

A president doesn't dictate what a political party stands for. The behavior and values of a party is a better indicator.

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Hircus says

What about completely damning examples like this?

Examples of what ? Pushing the cost of health care for the poor on to the middle class ?

Hard to see that it's much less costly to have them clogging up hospital ERs. Certainly bad for ERs if you need one.

But in any case, that's not an example that disproves my assertion that for the most part democrats have been on the same page regarding illegal immigration. Watch what they do, not what they say.







Speaking of watch what they do, not what they say, that applies double when you have a pathological liar as President.

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marcus says

Whatch what they do, not what they say.

Both matter. (btw, would you let someone tell you "watch what he does, not what he says" when it comes to Trump?)

When those south american caravans were marching for our borders, I watched the Dem party unify like a never before, trying to convince everyday Americans that "diversity is our strength", "no human is illegal", "blah blah blah"...

They wanted those illegals badly.

This is why people got so upset - some dems (like Obama) were previously against illegals, but as soon as God Emperor Politician got elected, the few remaining anti-illegal dems caved into the diversity hysteria, and now they welcome illegals with open arms like never before.

The dem trend has been more and more pro-illegal immigrant every yr, and you know it. Border patrol funding does not represent dem values & ideals. Giving illegals free shit is an effective way to chip away at the log slowly and effectively.

Hircus says

would you let someone tell you "watch what he does, not what he says" when it comes to Trump?

I would insist on it.


Hircus says

I watched the Dem party unify like a never before, trying to convince everyday Americans that "diversity is our strength", "no human is illegal", "blah blah blah"...

Democrats are always going to tell those afraid of diversity that diversity is our strength. That doesn't mean they wanted to let that caravan walk right in. Sure you'll find some person on twitter or whatever saying whatever. But show be a big political fight by democrats to just let them in.

Hircus says

They wanted those illegals badly.

Total bullshit. They wanted the same process that has existed for refugees to be utilized as best as possible.

Hircus says

diversity hysteria, and now they welcome illegals with open arms like never before.

There's a pattern here with No Coup, Patrick, all of you people, projecting false beliefs and behavior on to democrats en mass. I guess it makes sense. How else other than constant lying can you justify your devotion to great leader.

You are in major denial.

If dems don't want to bait illegals (you say theyre against illegals), then why do dems make laws giving free shit specifically to illegals?

I mean seriously, wtf? I gave you an example of a law that specifically gives free healthcare to illegals, not to the poor, but to illegals, and you turn around and say:

Examples of what ? Pushing the cost of health care for the poor on to the middle class ?

Delusion.

Hircus says

not to the poor, but to illegals

Come on man, put your thinking cap on, this isn't that difficult.

Either a state can provide medicaid and other state based healthcare services to only poor people that aren't illegal immigrants, OR you can provide it for all poor people. The latter is what that law allows.

CA, let's charge American citizens from other states an out of state rate and give illegals much cheaper instate rate for college. Democrats are insane.

marcus says

Come on man, put your thinking cap on, this isn't that difficult.

Either a state can provide medicaid and other state based healthcare services to only poor people that aren't illegal immigrants, OR you can provide it for all poor people. The latter is what that law allows.

Seems your thinking cap forgot about the whole concept of citizens vs non-citizens being treated differently. It also forgot that dems had to specifically change the law to specifically allow illegals, and that no other states do it. This isnt fixing an inconsistency, this is handing a bundle of welcome flowers specifically to non-citizen illegals, paid for primarily by citizens.

... the party that impoverishes labor by insourcing illegals ...

This statement has been thoroughly cemented now.

How's that Denial Cap fit?

marcus says

democrats have been on the same page regarding illegal immigration. Watch what they do, not what they say.

Creating bogus "sanctuary" laws which encourage illegal aliens to come here is what Democrats both say and do.

And they do it to fuck the poor, because that is exactly what their corporate donors paid them to do. "Sanctuary" for illegals means lower wages for poor US citizens and higher costs for all of us, taking care of people who should not be here at all.

Businesses get cheaper and more obedient servants, however, which is all that Democrats and their owners seem to care about.

Hircus says

Seems your thinking cap forgot about the whole concept of citizens vs non-citizens being treated differently.

When they're in that "C'mon man, put your thinking cap on, don't fall for this nonsense" mood, they're basically trying to gaslight away the obvious.

Patrick says

Creating bogus "sanctuary" laws which encourage illegal aliens to come here is what Democrats both say and do

Another lie more or less.

Sanctuary laws provide a relative sense of sanity/security for a huge number of illegal, but hard working tax paying immigrants that have been here for decades. I don't know, but I would guess that probably that the average length of time people have been here that benefit from sanctuary laws is over 10 years. And that very low numbers are coming in now.

For several years there (between 2010 and 2015) there was a net outflow of immigrants from the US to Mexico. I don't know what it is now, but after nearly a decade of Obama building up border security, and Trump continuing that, it's crazy to suggest that the intent of sanctuary laws is primarily about providing a place for NEW illegal immigrants. The "new" part is the lie.

There are a lot of (illegal) Latino immigrants that have grown children that are tax paying legal citizens. Some states decide that if the federal government won't repeat what Reagan did with Amnesty, then they are going to take it upon themselves. In some such states, such as California, this is arguably in their own economic self interest, although it's not simple.

It seems to me, that for California, if you aren't going to have sanctuary laws or amnesty, then there should at least be a reasonable "path to citizenship."

Patrick says

"Sanctuary" for illegals means lower wages for poor US citizens and higher costs for all of us, taking care of people who should not be here at all.

Businesses get cheaper and more obedient servants, however, which is all that Democrats and their owners seem to care about.

This argument is worse than weak for so many reasons.

It's true that it's harder for poor folks to make a decent living then 50 years ago, but here are several bigger factors leading to this other than some ridiculous corporate America conspiracy to keep poor people down by bringing in cheap labor.

1) Real Estate, housing in general has been bid up in price - primarily the land component of the price - as population of US nearly doubled in the the past 50 years.

2) Women going to work en masse. Immigrants coming in pale in comparison in adding to labor supply

3) Globalization. We now compete globally as manufacturers with cheap labor from all over the world. WE won the war against communism based in large part on the idea of global free trade and capitalism.

I'm sure there are others, but in the end immigrants are not nearly the biggest factor in how hard it is to for many to make a decent living in America. It's not just a small factor in how we got here, but undoing it (AS IF ?) is not going to fix it.

The truth is that yes, we need those workers. You complain about service from non-white people at airports ? I don't think you could imagine the service you would see out there if all of those permanently unemployed types had to pick up the slack.

The real fact of the matter: We need those workers becasue our system depends on economic growth. That's the real reason it happens, not just here but in Europe too. We are so fortunate to have our southern neighbors ! It's not conspiracy to keep the poor poor. It's not even a conspiracy. IT's simply a continuation of growth based policies. The necessity of growth is so built in to our economic system, that nobody ever tries to argue how we continue (with debt build up etc) without continued exponential growth in the economy.

No offense, but from my point of view, you must know these things or have an inkling of what's really going on, but out of fear of changing demographics, you make up these laughable arguments that make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

If I remember right, about 8 million illegals applied for protection under DACA. Since then over 1 million of them have committed felonies.

"They are not sending their best."

Misc says

If I remember right, about 8 million illegals applied for protection under DACA. Since then over 1 million of them have committed felonies.

"They are not sending their best."

That's a rather empty comment.

1) How many of the 8 million got it ? Sources ?

2) One million of whom ? Do you even mean to imply that the one million (again source?) were part of the 8 million ?

I am mistaken on both the number of DACA applicants and the percentage of criminality. I apologize.

It seems to me, that for California, if you aren't going to have sanctuary laws or amnesty, then there should at least be a reasonable "path to citizenship."

Yep, the playbook exposed. Flood the country with illegals now that we can make them into Dem voters later. Bonus, cheap labor keeps the campaign donation coming today.

out of fear of changing demographics, you make up these laughable arguments

Call anyone who objects "racist."

Sources please for your weak argument.

You demanded sources from others, please provide them too.

marcus says

Sanctuary laws provide a relative sense of sanity/security for a huge number of illegal, but hard working tax paying immigrants that have been here for decades. I don't know, but I would guess that probably that the average length of time people have been here that benefit from sanctuary laws is over 10 years. And that very low numbers are coming in now.

HeadSet says

Yep, the playbook exposed. Flood the country with illegals now that we can make them into Dem voters later

Pretty much bullshit.

More like - Right wingers: "we need to prevent immigrants because being non-white and likely very working class, they will probably be democratic voters. Oh, hmmm, as a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that's even why the democrats want to let them in. Yeah, that's the ticket. Instead of saying we don't like mexican immigrants becasue they will vote democrat, let's say that the only reason the democrats want to let illegals that have been here for decades stay is becasue they vote democrat."

Meanwhile, the oligarch class: The idiot Fox news watchers will totally believe that. Let's add that message in to our divide and conquer strategy.

marcus says

I thought

There’s your problem

HeadSet says

Flood the country with illegals now that we can make them into Dem voters later

Plus, any immigrants with illegal relatives in the country are going to vote Democrat because Democrats protect the illegals with their illegal status from being deported. So Latinos especially become a single issue class of voters. But many of them are starting to wake up a bit and realize that the insanity of the Left is hurting them and their kids. Second and third generation Latinos tend to be strong Republicans.
That’s why Democrats NEVER fix immigration rules to legalize or provide a legal path to citizenship. If nobody was illegal, they’d lose their thumb lock on that entire demographic! And Latinos tend to have family values, rather than being insane perverts like the Democrats want to promote.

Fortwaynemobile says

You demanded sources from others

That was stats, numbers, that were obviously false, that "Misc" admitted were false.

Whereas I was talking about common knowledge - that might in part be considered opinion combined with common sense. Much more factual than Patricks conspiracy theories which are pure opinion pablum type bs that right wingers feed to the idiots.

Get a grip ForWayne.

You don't hear me asking for sources when Patrick lays out an opinion (as if it were fact) that is ridiculous. I call it a lie, and explain as clearly as possible why he's wrong.

Does anyone else here wonder whether Trump has contacted Patrick and complemented him on the forum, and perhaps invited him to the whitehouse ?

No, but he's naming a space force base after him.

Misc says

No, but he's naming a space force base after him.

Interesting if the Base Housing Office is located in the Killelea Building.