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Anti 50s Propaganda


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2020 Jan 8, 11:55am   1,515 views  53 comments

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Has anybody noticed the huge disconnect between people's recollections/experiences and the Media's Presentation?

Everybody I ever met who remembered the 50s thought it was one of the greatest decades of their lives. There wasn't so much regulation of people's behavior, crime was low, #1 problem with schools was gum chewing and passing notes rather than drugs and teen pregnancy and Transsexualism, economy was good.

Yet when the Media presents it, it was a dark time of Paranoid Patriarchy where women were chained to their frost free refridgerators in their Mimi Eisenhower Pink Kitchens.

Any thoughts on this?

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1   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jan 8, 12:06pm  

Cultural Marxism
2   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jan 8, 12:18pm  

I've red pilled about 10 people in the last 2 months by explaining Cultural Marxism to them, showing them the Gateway Pundit Url, and by being 100% right in pontificating Trump and Washington Politics. As their cartoon view they thought was 1000% was accurate and going to be the Gospel.
But there hasn't been Trump impeachment, Bidens are Crooked and Dirty and Obama was working against America's interest in Ukraine and abroad, Iran is a CIA asset created by Ronnie and H.W Bush. Obama was a jive ass mother fucker, and no he didn't save the Economy, the 1% they all hate got money for absolutely nothing, when that same money could have just paid off every upside down mortgage. if were giving away free money. Why should the Upper management of Goldman and Sacks get it all?
They thought Obama gave Trump a good economy to work with. I explained to them, that Obama could have done what Trump did but he didn't. I remind them the ecconomy boomed, because to date Trump has recalled a stack of regulation that would make a stack of printed paper as big as my 12 X 20 Office, Studio mancave. That was why Trumpj's economy boomed. Remember Obama called us whiny bitter clingers, and told us the Jobs weren't coming back, there's no magic wand.

They wanted to fight me at first. But the more they thought about it the more they see, they also read TGP now. I'm talking about bitter people with TDS, that were Yelling, I had to Yell back them and tell them. I have listened to the CNN Spoon Fed propaganda you're spouting off for four fucking years, can you tell me one thing I don't know? Of course the couldn't. So I demanded they stop interrupting me, and hear what I'm saying if they have never heard of Popadopolous, Strozk, Paige, Joseph Misfud, what is Burisma, did they know Hunter Biden was caught in a strip club getting plugged in the ass with a dildo, while high on crack? (Not an APF hyperbole!) The list just went on and on, the only thing they learned in the last four years, was. Trump is Orance, a racist, a meanie, and his followers must be KKK or something.
They didn't hear one actual news worthy item about any Democrat what so ever. If it didn't have anything to do with them seeking Limelight by saying "Fuck Trump!"
3   Automan Empire   2020 Jan 8, 12:32pm  

People today have a biased, nearly cargo cult like conception of the 50s as some halcyon era of greatness for all Americans. Most of the era's prosperity was our manufacturing hegemony while the rest of the world rebuilt after WWII. Unwanted pregnancies were rampant, families HID their mistakes by shipping pregnang girls off to a relative or risking back alley abortions. Women were not happy wives, drug abuse was rampant (Mother's little helper) and they were trapped by a lack of work opportunities and deep social stigma and sanctions against divorce. Men were not happy, they worked like slaves to keep up with the Joneses for companies that imposed their will and values on employees. Race and class were solid barriers to meritocracy and relationships, the basis of West Side Story. Cars were generally dangerous unreliable pieces of shit. Lead in paint and gasoline contributed to crime and delinquency.

Lots of Red Pill guys act like they could drop right into the 1950s and be welcomed into the "good ol boys club" with open arms. In reality they would be shunned and stigmatized if they tried to "red pill" their colleagues with tales of their exploits spinning plates. The modern crop of "right wingers" would probably be lynched for sharing homoerotic shirtless pictures of the Russian president and being apologists for the US President's dealings with them.

People under 60 who idealize the 1950s generally possess a very superficial understanding of the era.
4   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jan 8, 1:27pm  

Automan Empire says
while the rest of the world rebuilt after WWII.


This is a falsehood. West Germany was already bringing in Greeks and Turks by 1954 due to a labor shortage; production exceeded pre-war levels.

It wasn't until the early 60s that teen pregnancy began to explode, due entirely to the rise of the Welfare State, which allowed working class women to live the same lifestyle without having to have a husband and being able to fuck anybody they wanted.

The number of bastards born to White (then 80%+ of the pop) Single Mothers (of all ages) as late as 1965 was only 3.1%
After the Great Postmodernist Marxist Revolution and the Cloward-Pliven Strategy adopted by Socialist Social Workers of the late 60s, this exploded. Today it's 40% overall, most of which are Bastards born to Bastard Factory Ghetto Welfare Hos, most of whom were Bastard Factory Welfare Hos.

It wasn't until the 1980s that divorce became rampant. In 1973 a woman with a 16-year old child was as likely to be at home as a woman with a 6 month old today.

Automan Empire says
Women were not happy wives


Women were happier in the 1950s than today. It's the Paradox of declining Female Happiness:
ftp.iza.org/dp4200.pdf

Of course, the feminist answer is that Men aren't washing enough dishes, but that doesn't explain why Single and Divorced women are unhappy.

Single Mothers are the #1 threat to children, resulting in dramatic economic, academic, and even physical problems to a much higher degree than a married family. I've read some studies that suggest having an abusive, alcoholic parent is not any worse than being the kid of a single mom. And, interestingly, it crosses income levels.

This cuts into the heart of Received Marxist Wisdom, so when not ignored, these indisputable statistics (found all over the West and indeed the world so not unique to America) are explained away in the usual Socialist Fashion - "It only means we need more free shit and lack of responsibility for unmarried mothers".
5   Bd6r   2020 Jan 8, 1:38pm  

It was not all roses at that time also. My older Texan friends tell me how they worked hard in 50's and still were poor (farmers and oil patch workers). And that was back-breaking labor of the type which most people today would not be able to do. BUT: their life was getting better and they had hopes for future which in most cases materialized - they were doing well by the end of 60's. Nowadays a lot of blue-collar people work their asses off now and their lives just keep deteriorating with no improvement and no hope in sight.
6   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jan 8, 1:45pm  

It's not the lack of generosity in the US Welfare State. The trend is there for far poorer and far less generous countries and well as rich and far more generous ones.

7   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jan 8, 1:48pm  

How is Thailand not on that wedlock list?
8   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jan 8, 1:49pm  

The explosion in welfare, crime, miserable bastards, etc. is due to the NHS - New Hobag Society.

9   Bd6r   2020 Jan 8, 1:49pm  

Mexico at 0 in 1964 and over 60% now...unbelievable. Catholic church has lost its influence completely. Side effect will be precipitous drop in birth rate which is happening already.
10   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2020 Jan 8, 2:00pm  

NoCoupForYou says
Has anybody noticed the huge disconnect between people's recollections/experiences and the Media's Presentation?

Everybody I ever met who remembered the 50s thought it was one of the greatest decades of their lives. There wasn't so much regulation of people's behavior, crime was low, #1 problem with schools was gum chewing and passing notes rather than drugs and teen pregnancy and Transsexualism, economy was good.

Yet when the Media presents it, it was a dark time of Paranoid Patriarchy where women were chained to their frost free refridgerators in their Mimi Eisenhower Pink Kitchens.

Any thoughts on this?


Soldiers returned from wars, society was more conservative too. Stupid shit wasn't promoted as much as it is now in the media.
11   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jan 8, 2:00pm  

rd6B says
Mexico at 0 in 1964 and over 60% now...unbelievable. Catholic church has lost its influence completely. Side effect will be precipitous drop in birth rate which is happening already.



https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/out-wedlock-births-rise-worldwide

Leftists: "Waaah, correlation doesn't equal causation, boo hoo".

Notice that the Eastern Med, where slutshaming is still widespread and normal - how little of a problem out of wedlock births are.

As for East Asia, it's the unbelievable cost of living + fear of pubic hair (Or whatever their problem is).
12   mell   2020 Jan 8, 2:00pm  

They have been doing this for a while though, esp. feminazis have always maintained "bbbut men were cheaters and beat their wives! no safety net!" while secretly fantasizing about madmen and the era of strong men. Surely society was far from perfect back then but all data shows that people, men and women (incl. children) were overall happier back then.
13   marcus   2020 Jan 8, 2:05pm  

Tenpoundbass says
They wanted to fight me at first


But then they realized you were a member of a cult, with conspiracy views cultivated in the internet age, becasue you know, "I read some stuff that I wanted to believe," therefore it's true.

So in fear of getting deeper in to it with Mr. right wing nut cakes, they decided it's best to agree that you're a stable genius just like your messiah.

Or (more likely) you just get paid a couple dollars per post to spam the internet with noise that supports the oligarchy. It's so easy. No guilt ?
14   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jan 8, 2:08pm  

It was about 1960 when divorce without a cause or mutual consent ("No Fault") became legal in most states. More Leftist "Rational innovation to make society better."



That's something we definitely need to fix. You can't walk away from a contract that's being honored unilaterally, so why marriage?

BTW, the same exact shit happened in the UK:



Some people are like "Look at Social Justice POWER! We are now more loving and more together! The Number of Divorces are declining now". That's because fewer people are getting married. If you adjust for that, it's little changed from the peak in the 80s (USA).
15   marcus   2020 Jan 8, 2:15pm  

Tenpoundbass says
Remember Obama called us whiny bitter clingers, and told us the Jobs weren't coming back, there's no magic wand.


Manufacturing jobs. And yeah, so far he's right. Manufacturing jobs aren't even half way back to 2006 levels. Meanwhile labor participation rate is not up much since 2016. Sure the number of people eligible for unemployment is at a 50 year low. Woopee ! Let's celebrate!!

I actually think that eventually robots should be good enough that it will bring more manufacturing back. But that might require a little more subsidy of technical education. Why not pay people $15 per hour to learn skills, but students have to learn skills, pass tests etc in a timely manner to continue. Do it in a more direct way than student aid (and forget loans - just give grants, but tied to performance).
16   marcus   2020 Jan 8, 2:25pm  

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By far the single biggest difference from 1950s to now has got be women working. Many of the things you remember being better, and maybe you're partially right, are tied to that.

And that's not changing.






By the way, given the labor participation rate, and the trillion dollar deficits we are running, why do I suspect that the Trump economic boom is largely a fiction ?
17   Bd6r   2020 Jan 8, 2:53pm  

marcus says
rump economic boom is largely a fiction

I'd say all economic booms lately are fictions because of how much % of that goes to bottom 50% vs top 0.01%, courtesy of illegal immigration and government bailouts of rich, incompetent fuckers who imagine that they are bankers, auto executives etc.
18   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jan 8, 3:00pm  

marcus says
Meanwhile labor participation rate is not up much since 2016

You mean, Babyboomers are still aging out of the workforce?

marcus says
Manufacturing jobs. And yeah, so far he's right. Manufacturing jobs aren't even half way back to 2006 levels. Meanwhile labor participation rate is not up much since 2016. Sure the number of people eligible for unemployment is at a 50 year low. Woopee ! Let's celebrate!!

Manufacturing Job growth rate best since 1997 - 23 years ago.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/04/manufacturing-posts-best-calendar-year-for-job-gains-since-1997.html

In raw numbers, best since 1988:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/manufacturing-employment-in-the-us-is-at-the-same-level-of-69-years-ago-2019-01-04

Job Growth is YUGE!

Private payrolls rose by 202,000 in December vs. the 150,000 estimate, according to ADP and Moody’s Analytics.
The report comes ahead of Friday’s government nonfarm payrolls release, which is expected to show an addition of 160,000 jobs.
Job growth came from construction and across a spectrum of service-related industries.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/08/adp-moodys-private-payrolls-december-2019.html

Inflation is minimal... wages are rising and they're rising for the poorest, the fastest since Illegal Wagecrushing is getting more and more under the Rule of Law.

I'd stick to talking about Trump's alleged Adderall addiction.
19   marcus   2020 Jan 8, 3:00pm  

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rd6B says
I'd say all economic booms lately are fictions because of how much % of that goes to bottom 50% vs top 0.01%, courtesy of illegal immigration and government bailouts of rich,


I thought it was becasue the percentage of working age people working is barely above flat. The new jobs we do get are gig work or low paying just as it was in 2012 - 2016.

It really is a continuation or the trend in place since 2012 or so. The stock market continues to be high becasue of low interest rates, and becasue of tax cuts as well as propaganda about the amazing things the republicans in power are doing.
20   marcus   2020 Jan 8, 3:05pm  

NoCoupForYou says
In raw numbers, best since 1988:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/manufacturing-employment-in-the-us-is-at-the-same-level-of-69-years-ago-2019-01-04


Literate much ? Yes growth.

Considering manufacturing year over year was almost always dropping over that 30 year period, and they got ever so slightly better gains than 2011 - 2016, so it sounds great to say best growth in 30 years.

It wasn't.





NoCoupForYou says
Job Growth is YUGE!

Private payrolls rose by 202,000 in December vs. the 150,000 estimate, according to ADP and Moody’s Analytics.
The report comes ahead of Friday’s government nonfarm payrolls release, which is expected to show an addition of 160,000 jobs.
Job growth came from construction and across a spectrum of service-related industries.


Single month means less than nothing.

Sometimes seems like you're paid to spam too.

You don't respond to my point at all.

marcus says
By the way, given the labor participation rate, and the trillion dollar deficits we are running, why do I suspect that the Trump economic boom is largely a fiction ?

:
21   Shaman   2020 Jan 8, 3:11pm  

Tenpoundbass says
How is Thailand not on that wedlock list?

Thai people are actually quite conservative. They just have different values when it comes to prostitution. It’s bad and wrong...unless it’s being done to help the woman’s family! One of their most cherished values is to send money to help parents live a better lifestyle. Kinda like kids are a retirement plan. We have something like that, but not to this degree. Sending money to ones parents is sacrosanct and something to brag about.
Generally the Thai prostitutes are farm girls from the country whose families have fallen on hard times. So send the daughter to the big city to work at the bar, where tourists pay a “bar fine” to take them out of rotation for the evening.

But this doesn’t touch the generally conservative nature of Thai society, where modest dress, family ties, and marriage are truly important values.
22   Heraclitusstudent   2020 Jan 8, 3:40pm  

NoCoupForYou says
You can't walk away from a contract that's being honored unilaterally, so why marriage?

Pursuit of happiness!
It allows alpha males to get a harem - sequentially, one wife at a time.
23   mell   2020 Jan 8, 3:47pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
NoCoupForYou says
You can't walk away from a contract that's being honored unilaterally, so why marriage?

Pursuit of happiness!
It allows alpha males to get a harem - sequentially, one wife at a time.


Not really. Any billionaire could end up as a pauper if he just marries a few times. That's why women usually divorce.
24   Bd6r   2020 Jan 8, 4:57pm  

marcus says
The new jobs we do get are gig work or low paying just as it was in 2012 - 2016.

It really is a continuation or the trend in place since 2012 or so. The stock market continues to be high becasue of low interest rates, and becasue of tax cuts as well as propaganda about the amazing things the republicans in power are doing.

The trend is there from middle 80's at least where most of gains go to top 0.01%, but it is getting worse with every decade. In my non-economy educated mind there are 3 things that may be responsible: 1. illegal immigration depressing salaries of less-qualified workers; 2. outsourcing to China etc, which initially depressed wages of low-qualified workers (steel mills etc), but now is depressing wages also of college-educated people as R&D is outsourced to China and India as well in last 15-20 years; and 3. government bailouts of incompetent large businesses which engineer 1 and 2 while overpaying their stupid management, hosing their workers, and getting pork from government for weapons, ethanol and other assorted programs we all are paying for. I do not think tax cuts have much to do with this, other than perhaps rich people having more money to bribe politicians.

WRT to 1 and 2, in my town businesses can not get help even paying $15/hr...and this is in state with minimal wage of 7.25/hr but where economy is booming. Imagine how much businesses would need to pay their workers if our Great Orange Leader (or any leader before him for that matter) would actually enforce immigration laws and introduce E-Verify.
25   Karloff   2020 Jan 8, 10:12pm  

Of course they have to lie to people in order to brainwash them into thinking the 50's were evil. Can't possibly let the plebs know that things were better at one point in time, they might want to start undoing all the damage the neo-Bolsheviks have caused over the years.

It's one of their biggest attack fronts: convince people to embrace what's harmful to them.

Want to start fixing the issue?
Step 1: Look at the roles your enemies have positioned themselves in. Education, media, district attorneys, judges, and politicians.
Step 2: Remove them from these positions and prevent them from entering them.
Step 3: Roll back everything they did.

Will it be messy? Of course, but when you've let the toilet get backed up for this long, you're going to have to get your hands dirty.
26   marcus   2020 Jan 8, 10:43pm  

rd6B says
illegal immigration depressing salaries of less-qualified workers


Do you mean the salaries of people less qualified than the immigrants ?

I just don't view the economics of the situation even close to that way. You really think that the wage boost you could get for landscape workers, line cooks, bus boys, maids, house keepers,. crop pickers, nannies, constructions workers etc., if those workers weren't here would somehow trickle up to the rest of us, more than it would raise our cost of living ?

I just don't even begin to begin to see it.

For another thing, it's not a simple labor commodity. Often, for example with restaurants, they literally could not even be successful without the legal and illegal immigrant workers, that are driven to work hard and perform very well. I have experience in this area, and can tell you that often such workers are not easily replaced for an extra 3 or 5 dollars per hour.

I know I sometimes accuse you guys of being racist. But maybe it's more that you just don't get it. The latin American labor we have in this country is more a blessing to this country than it is a curse. Arguments that it keeps wages for the rest of us down is if not stupidity, then outright racism.

But that doesn't mean I'm for open borders. Of course it has to be limited and our borders kept secure, which is the direction we were moving since way before Trump. He just made it a political issue, as if it was his idea and he was fighting against the tide.

Total bullshit.

rd6B says
I do not think tax cuts have much to do with this


Tax cuts for corporations are the most direct boost to corporate profits imaginable. "Earnings" are after tax. What are you thinking ?
27   marcus   2020 Jan 8, 10:53pm  

rd6B says

WRT to 1 and 2, in my town businesses can not get help even paying $15/hr...and this is in state with minimal wage of 7.25/hr but where economy is booming. Imagine how much businesses would need to pay their workers if our Great Orange Leader (or any leader before him for that matter) would actually enforce immigration laws and introduce E-Verify.


And this would be a good thing becasue ?

What, you like inflation ? It's like you think that the employers would actually afford to pay more, without passing that cost on somehow ?

I guess it's not that easy to see the big picture.
28   HeadSet   2020 Jan 9, 6:39am  

Of course it has to be limited and our borders kept secure, which is the direction we were moving since way before Trump.

You cannot possibly believe this tripe. EVERY Dem candidate for President is for open borders with enticements like sanctuary cities and free medical for illegals, and are anti-ICE.
29   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jan 9, 8:32am  

Shaman says
But this doesn’t touch the generally conservative nature of Thai society, where modest dress, family ties, and marriage are truly important values.


I wasn't implying they are all hoes, but in a culture where prostitution is prevalent, and they are world famous for it, and there are sex vacations.
How can they not have a high birth rate to single mothers?
30   Goran_K   2020 Jan 9, 8:37am  

Democrat tactics 101, attempt to rewrite history.

Why do you think they've been trying so hard to bring down the statues of the old slavers? Because 100% of them were DEMOCRATS.
31   marcus   2020 Jan 9, 9:19am  

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Thats true, but stupid. Everyone knows those democrats would be republicans now.

Republicans are the ones that want to rewrite history - by claiming that repulican in 1860 meant the same thing it does today. Hell, republican in 1950 or 1960 has very little to do with republicans today. Just ask George Will or Charlie Sykes they'll be more than happy to explain it to you.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/29/former_republicans_george_will_and_charlies_sykes_what_happened_to_the_gop.html
32   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jan 9, 9:33am  

So do you reckon yourself a Republican now?
33   Goran_K   2020 Jan 9, 9:36am  

marcus says
:
Thats true, but stupid. Everyone knows those democrats would be republicans now.

Republicans are the ones that want to rewrite history - by claiming that repulican in 1860 meeant the same thing it does today. Hell, republican in 1950 or 1960 has very little to do with republicans today. Just ask George Will or Charlie Sykes they'll be more than happy to explain it to you.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/29/former_republicans_george_will_and_charlies_sykes_what_happened_to_the_gop.html


Sure, the "big switch and all that". More Democrat re-writing of history. How did the GOP vote on the Civil Rights act? How did the Dems vote? That's what I thought.

Who tried to filibuster the Civil Rights Act?

That's right.

34   marcus   2020 Jan 9, 9:38am  

:
Tenpoundbass says
So do you reckon yourself a Republican now?


No, but I'm more conservative in many ways than you or Trump are.

I'm honest enough to know that if I lived in Illinois in 1870 I would have been a republican and if I live in Georgia I probably would have been a democrat.

Speaking of "situational ethics" you would find that video I just posted interesting. Maybe I'll make a separate thread for it.
35   marcus   2020 Jan 9, 9:59am  

Goran_K says
Who tried to filibuster the Civil Rights Act?


How many people does it take to do a filibuster ? Even in 1960 there were still a lot of racist democrats in the south.

But in answer to your question.

Goran_K says
How did the GOP vote on the Civil Rights act? How did the Dems vote? That's what I thought.


https://www.archives.gov/legislative/features/civil-rights-1964/senate-roll-call.html

Both Kennedy and Johnson were strong advocates of civil rights, but the following is fact.


While the landmark act received a majority of support from both parties, a greater percentage of Republicans voted in favor of the bill. Throughout the 1950s and ’60s, Republicans were generally more unified than Democrats in support of civil rights legislation, as many Southern Democrats voted in opposition.


https://www.countable.us/articles/17557-fact-check-republicans-voted-civil-rights-act-percentage-democrats-did

Nobody denies that there were racist democrats in the south in 1964. But some very dishonest republicans try to turn those facts in to something that's simply false.

Read about "the southern strategy" if you don't always want to lie to yourself and others about this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt130hp7d

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/07/26/what-we-get-wrong-about-southern-strategy/
36   rdm   2020 Jan 9, 10:12am  

mell says
Any billionaire could end up as a pauper if he just marries a few times.

Prenups baby, don't leave bachelorhood without one. Why you think Melania is still hanging around after Trump porked a porn star?

The great period was before USSR got its nuke. We could destroy the world with abandon and choose not to. Now every piss ant dictator can get one
37   HeadSet   2020 Jan 9, 10:25am  

Why you think Melania is still hanging around after Trump porked a porn star?

Not a prenup, Melania was rich on her own. Women who are attracted by such mega-achievers know they will be cheated on. True for Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton and other presidents, Royalty, Media Icons, and Captains of Industry. The lady knows she will get the name and prestige, while the young honey just gets a boink.
38   Ceffer   2020 Jan 9, 11:26am  

Melania has the Cuban gardeners. What more can a gal ask for?
39   Heraclitusstudent   2020 Jan 9, 10:14pm  

It's not hard to see what people miss about the 50s.
1- The sense of community
2- The sense that the US was way ahead of everyone else
3- The more readily available resources, starting with space, cheap houses.

2 and 3 are gone. Won't come back, and this doesn't depend on the government. You can't wish out Europe/Japan/Korea/China. And the resources have to be shared with a much larger world population.

That leaves 1. Want it or not, it's a worldwide civilization. People eat Chinese and Indian food, drink Italian lattes, drive Japanese cars. People often move far from their home town for work. And big cities are full of isolated people.
Again, hard to change.
The 50s aren't coming back.
We have to settle for the nice screens.
40   Reality   2020 Jan 10, 6:33am  

Heraclitusstudent says
2- The sense that the US was way ahead of everyone else
3- The more readily available resources, starting with space, cheap houses.

2 and 3 are gone. Won't come back, and this doesn't depend on the government. You can't wish out Europe/Japan/Korea/China. And the resources have to be shared with a much larger world population.


Europe/Japan/Korea/China can only participate in the dollar-denominated world trade system if they offer something of greater value than what they take (in the eyes of American consumers). So they are all net exporters of "resources" / consumer goods and services. The stagnation of American living standards is entirely the result of the growth of government and its hangers-on. Just look at the typical middle-class household budget, the biggest items nowadays are housing, kids' education and medical insurance . . . none of them have anything to do with Europe/Japan/Korea/China, but all of them are monsters created by government regulations. The lower-middle class is further impoverished by competition in purchasing power from the lower class subsidized by government welfare, jacking up both rent (through section-8), food stamps, welfare checks, and subsidized medicine/insurance. The upper-middle class is impoverished by the cancerous growth of government bureaucrats and contractors bidding up the tonier sections of residential real estate as well as other "luxury" goods and services.

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