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Globull warming at it again..


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2019 Nov 12, 11:00am   786 views  34 comments

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Record freezing temperatures across all continental US states. If we'll be facing a maunder minimum in the not so distant future the usual suspects will be begging for globull warming to come back. The end is nigh for the carbon credit extortion.

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1   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Nov 12, 11:21am  

For the past 20yrs, I've listened anti-GW cultists gloat "This is the last nail for this fad", "this is the end of this scam", "The end is nigh for the carbon credit extortion".
Yet here we are...
The slightest cold air coming from the pole is an excuse to rehash their griefs.

Btw, if cold air comes from the pole... then it must be that warm air from the south moves north toward the pole on the other side, right?
What does it mean at a global level?
2   NuttBoxer   2019 Nov 12, 11:53am  

20 years ago in GW history:

3   NuttBoxer   2019 Nov 12, 11:55am  

For the past 20 years I've been freezing my ass off in the mainland US. If GW is real, why am I still so fucking cold every winter when I live in the SW United States!?
4   mell   2019 Nov 12, 12:05pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
For the past 20yrs, I've listened anti-GW cultists gloat "This is the last nail for this fad", "this is the end of this scam", "The end is nigh for the carbon credit extortion".
Yet here we are...
The slightest cold air coming from the pole is an excuse to rehash their griefs.

Btw, if cold air comes from the pole... then it must be that warm air from the south moves north toward the pole on the other side, right?
What does it mean at a global level?


Well the warming trend has STOPPED at least in the past few years - no new records. 2019 won't be any different. Probably even colder than 2018. Definitely not a hockeystick. So all the predictions and models were COMPLETELY WRONG. Yes overall it has warmed if you take let's say a century or so, on the long term scheme of things it hasn't. Just a blip on the radar. And a whole new made up economy stealing money form others in the name of science.
5   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Nov 12, 12:10pm  

NuttBoxer says
If GW is real, why am I still so fucking cold every winter when I live in the SW United States!?


Yeah... let's wrap it with seemingly practical anecdotal evidence (even if it obviously make no sense whatsoever).
Plus anyway.... it goes against my other personal beliefs. And the other cultists are with me.
It was sooo easy to rationalize away....
6   socal2   2019 Nov 12, 12:18pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
Yeah... let's wrap it with seemingly practical anecdotal evidence (even if it obviously make no sense whatsoever).


Can you point to any concrete harm happening now (not projections) by Climate Change that warrants even 20% of the pain, cost and regulations proposed by the Climate Cultists?
7   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Nov 12, 12:30pm  

Ah...so if no harm happens right now, or in the next 10 yrs, no need to even think about it, right?
8   WookieMan   2019 Nov 12, 12:37pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
Yeah... let's wrap it with seemingly practical anecdotal evidence (even if it obviously make no sense whatsoever).

In July I was down in Orange Beach, AL. Stayed at the Lodge at Gulf State Park. So.... a state park needless to say I guess.

Either way, I was at the beach one afternoon and saw these guys rolling down the beach with a Gator or whatever type of 4 wheel drive vehicle it was. One dude standing on shore and another going out about 100' into the water with what looked like survey type equipment. So I casually make my way over to them because I was interested and it was a state park after all, so figured they could chat.

Long story short, no sea level rise since they had been recording levels at that park (themselves and previous data, guessing 60+ years maybe longer). If the land ice at the poles/Greenland is melting, not sure where it's going. And that's ultimately the biggest concern with climate warming. Anecdotal as balls, but about as straight from the horse's mouth as you can get.
9   Bd6r   2019 Nov 12, 12:39pm  

I'd argue that science here is not settled by any stretch of imagination. As none of us are climate scientists, arguing here is rather pointless.
Having said that, using less of fossil fuels is good in any case - less money to Saudi Barbaria, Russia, and Ajatollahs; less pollution; less ocean acidification.
10   mell   2019 Nov 12, 12:40pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
Ah...so if no harm happens right now, or in the next 10 yrs, no need to even think about it, right?


It's fine to talk about it and even have scientific debates, but it's not ok to force government oppression onto free citizens based on predictions that so far have miserably failed. It's currently debated in science and probably needs to be debated for another 100 years before we can surely say that insignificant blip was man-made.
11   Onvacation   2019 Nov 12, 12:41pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
For the past 20yrs, I've listened anti-GW cultists gloat "This is the last nail for this fad", "this is the end of this scam", "The end is nigh for the carbon credit extortion".

For the last 12 years I have been hearing from the GW alarmists that if we do nothing the temperature will spike, wetbulb death will be rampant, and Manhattan and Florida will be underwater.
12   Onvacation   2019 Nov 12, 12:43pm  

Heraclitusstudent says

Btw, if cold air comes from the pole... then it must be that warm air from the south moves north toward the pole on the other side, right?

Are you trying to say that melting poles are causing record cold?
13   mell   2019 Nov 12, 12:45pm  

6rdB says
I'd argue that science here is not settled by any stretch of imagination. As none of us are climate scientists, arguing here is rather pointless.
Having said that, using less of fossil fuels is good in any case - less money to Saudi Barbaria, Russia, and Ajatollahs; less pollution; less ocean acidification.


Right, I'm not arguing renewable energies are bad, we should have a good mix of all feasible energies and they should compete against each other with their pros and cons. The issue is the idiotic - or probably calculated by the government oppressionists and scientist sucking a their teeth - fixation on CO2, which is the least of the problem - if a problem at all - amongst all the real pollutants.
14   Tenpoundbass   2019 Nov 12, 12:49pm  

LOOK! All I want Global warming to do, is clean my shoes and mow my Lawn, and that's IT!!!
15   Bd6r   2019 Nov 12, 12:50pm  

mell says
fixation on CO2, which is the least of the problem - if a problem at all

We do not really know CO2 is a problem re. warming. It might be, in this case we are screwed unless we undertake something. It might not be, in this case we waste a lot of money on nothing. A solution would be massive expansion of nucular power - that would give us best of both - no CO2 emissions (or much lowered), and not much increase in energy price, or even decrease from what we have now. Unfortunately idiot Thurnberg/green types with no scientific or economic education want solar power in Greenland etc.
Agree that current argument wrt CO2 is highly biased and skewed towards those who argue that we are in a crisis. I suspect it is something more sinister than scientists sucking on govt' teat - who is the one deciding what to fund? There must be some group with economic interests behind all this "green" bullshit.
16   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Nov 12, 1:06pm  

6rdB says
I'd argue that science here is not settled by any stretch of imagination.


Right.
Because we know how much fossil fuels we burn, we measure the CO2 increasing, we know it's a greenhouse gas, we measure out going radiation reflected by it back to the floor, we measure the temperature increasing, we measure the loss of sea ice.... But nothing is settled... Maybe the heat will miraculously go away through some yet undetermined mechanism. So why panic? Look: cold whether in the US. Let's wait 100 yrs doing nothing and see where we are then.

Plus of course we'll all be dead, so who cares?
17   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Nov 12, 1:12pm  

mell says
the warming trend has STOPPED at least in the past few years


Right. Maybe it just stopped for some reason.

18   Bd6r   2019 Nov 12, 1:16pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
6rdB says
I'd argue that science here is not settled by any stretch of imagination.


Right.
Because we know how much fossil fuels we burn, we measure the CO2 increasing, we know it's a greenhouse gas, we measure out going radiation reflected by it back to the floor, we measure the temperature increasing, we measure the loss of sea ice.... But nothing is settled... Maybe the heat will miraculously go away through some yet undetermined mechanism. So why panic? Look: cold whether in the US. Let's wait 100 yrs doing nothing and see where we are then.

Plus of course we'll all be dead, so who cares?

I am not a climate scientist, but Richard Siegmund Lindzen, who is NAS member and MIT prof disagrees with this assessment. As I understand, major influence of warming comes from water vapor feedback from warming, not from CO2 itself, and how much of the feedback is included, and if it is positive or negative, makes a YUUGE difference.
In any case, question is what to do. I agree that NOT doing anything is a suicidal approach - even if we have 30% possibility that current models are real, we are in deep crap. Furthermore, ocean acidification is a measurable fact. Solar panels on North pole, tax on energy to make poor people even more poor and rich even more rich, and electric cars powered by coal-produced electricity are not the solutions.
19   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Nov 12, 1:36pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
Ah...so if no harm happens right now, or in the next 10 yrs, no need to even think about it, right?
. They say that every ten years, starting 35 years ago. It's always. Right around the corner.
20   Y   2019 Nov 12, 1:50pm  

outer space is cold.
when our sun finally shits it's pants, we are all fucked...

Heraclitusstudent says
What does it mean at a global level?
21   theoakman   2019 Nov 12, 2:00pm  

You have about a 0% chance of any of the models being real. That's the way models of complex systems work. They don't.
22   socal2   2019 Nov 12, 2:33pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
Let's wait 100 yrs doing nothing and see where we are then.


Why the straw-man?

I don't think even the biggest Climate Change skeptics think we should "do nothing" over the next 100 years.

We are just not buying into the Cultist Marxist bullshit that we have to dramatically change our entire civilization at great cost and pain in the next 10 years to save humanity.

If the Climate Cult was less hyperbolic and more honest about the pain and costs we would have to bare in the short-term, they might have more credibility.
23   Onvacation   2019 Nov 12, 2:35pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
Maybe the heat will miraculously go away through some yet undetermined mechanism.

Like the sun? You do know the temperature has been going down, don'tcha?
24   Onvacation   2019 Nov 12, 2:37pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
mell says
the warming trend has STOPPED at least in the past few years


Right. Maybe it just stopped for some reason.


Why does your chart have 2019 as the warmest year ever even though we do not yet have the measurements?
25   NuttBoxer   2019 Nov 12, 2:56pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
Yeah... let's wrap it with seemingly practical anecdotal evidence (even if it obviously make no sense whatsoever).
Plus anyway.... it goes against my other personal beliefs. And the other cultists are with me.
It was sooo easy to rationalize away....


Please explain to me what about feeling consistently cold for 20 years every winter is subjective. I'm just a real person telling you how the weather really feels every year. I don't have to doctor stats, fudge number, or push an agenda. I just have to stop-feeling-fucking-cold.

The problem with globalists is the same problem with socialists, they don't give fuck about the individual pointing out their ideals don't match up with people's reality.
26   Shaman   2019 Nov 12, 3:03pm  



This is the best i can find for the USA carbon use.

And keep in mind it’s per capita! China’s actual carbon use is twice all of the USA. That little bubble is actually much larger than ours.
For some reason there aren’t any charts I found that go past 2014. Yet a lot of renewables have been added in the past five years. Could there be a coverup? Perhaps our carbon use has dropped more significantly than predicted.
28   marcus   2019 Nov 13, 7:08am  

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I saw a meme about a week and a half ago saying to brace ourselves for the idiot climate change deniers when the arctic blast occurs now. Nevermind that it's been unseasonably warm for weeks - without those of us in the reality based world even trying to say it was becasue of global warming.

It's been decades since Chicago had the kind of winters we had when I was a kid. Back then there were people that would flood their back yards to make an ice skating rink, that would last for several weeks.
29   RWSGFY   2019 Nov 13, 7:27am  

marcus says
I saw a meme about a week and a half ago saying to brace ourselves for the idiot climate change deniers when the arctic blast occurs now.


And this is different from idiot climate change promoters coming out of woodwork whenever a heat wave occurs exactly how?
30   socal2   2019 Nov 13, 8:26am  

Liberal_in_blackface says
And this is different from idiot climate change promoters coming out of woodwork whenever a heat wave occurs exactly how?


No kidding. Every fucking hurricane, rain storm, cold snap, heat wave, "polar vortex" and blizzard is blamed on climate change. The level of projection coming from the political left never ceases to amaze me.
31   NDrLoR   2019 Nov 13, 8:29am  

marcus says
It's been decades since Chicago had the kind of winters we had when I was a kid
And I'd say thank goodness! Most people hate the cold and it's much more threatening to life and growth than heat.
32   mell   2019 Nov 13, 10:45am  

"For the year-to-date, the contiguous U.S. temperature was 55.5°F, 0.5°F above average, and ranked in the warmest third of the January–October record."

Now add in a relatively cold winter that is currently expected and has started with the current Arctic blast and the year will likely end somewhere between 3rd and 5th place. For the US, so where's the hockey stick? It's NOT because the warming trend HAS STOPPED.
34   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Nov 18, 6:11pm  

Alert! Eric Swalwell's massive TV fart reduces our time before the Greta/AOC Envirocollapse to just 7 years

www.youtube.com/embed/Pk8I4gDN82Q

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