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Civil War Begins When the Constitutional Order Breaks Down


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2019 Nov 4, 8:29pm   798 views  6 comments

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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/civil-war-begins-when-the-constitutional-order-breaks-down/

Here is a quick template for how we might more usefully decipher how this nation gets to another civil war. It is arranged as a short series of questions: 1) What is civil war? 2) Why do political-constitutional orders sometimes breakdown, rather than simply transform in response to change? 3) How is violence essential to constitutional and political resolution? 4) How close is the U.S. to such a break down, and its consequences?


Article defines each. And it is very, very prescient of the current situation, too.

Example,

What is civil war?

Civil war is, at root, a contest over legitimacy. Legitimacy—literally the right to make law — is shorthand for the consent of the citizens and political parties to abide by the authority of a constitutional order. Civil war begins when this larger political compact breaks down.

Civil War means that there is a functional split within the source of legitimacy between two parties, each of which was formerly part of the old constitutional order. Thus each can claim that it represents the source of new legitimacy, and the right to define a new or reworked constitutional order.


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1   steverbeaver   2019 Nov 4, 8:37pm  

Aw come on you know it won't be contained to our borders. Blues would cry for help from uncles Xi and Trudeau at the minimum, and they would oblige.
2   RWSGFY   2019 Nov 4, 11:17pm  

steverbeaver says
Aw come on you know it won't be contained to our borders. Blues would cry for help from uncles Xi and Trudeau at the minimum, and they would oblige.


Trudeau doesn't even have his own MBTs: Canucks loan them from zee Germans and they are all on the Eurasian continent.
3   Ceffer   2019 Dec 11, 12:57pm  

The Law is a joke, and has become a tool for selective persecution and disenfranchisement. It is flouted routinely by the captive, immune, lobbyist engorged politicians in an unembarrassed way on the national (and state in California) stages.

When people start to recognize that their votes don't matter, and there is a disconnect from the corrupt dealings of the apparatchiks of the central government, then it's time for an amputation and a re-boot.
4   Shaman   2019 Dec 11, 1:10pm  

steverbeaver says
Aw come on you know it won't be contained to our borders. Blues would cry for help from uncles Xi and Trudeau at the minimum, and they would oblige.


That sure would clarify the situation for our armed forces. They’d easily know which side to support!
5   Y   2019 Dec 11, 1:27pm  

So what? So does "Leave it to beaver" on the playboy channel.
Worry when "Uncivil war" begins...

"Civil war begins"
6   Patrick   2019 Dec 14, 4:27pm  

Ceffer says
When people start to recognize that their votes don't matter, and there is a disconnect from the corrupt dealings of the apparatchiks of the central government, then it's time for an amputation and a re-boot.


Agreed, but the election of Trump proves that democracy is not entirely dead in America yet.

The Democrats are trying hard to kill it though, by undemocratically undoing the result of a legitimate election with bogus impeachment hearings.

If they win, democracy really is dead.

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