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2019 Oct 25, 8:07pm   2,680 views  52 comments

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I'm curious what are pat netters thinking of Girls Who Code? It is an organization that helps girls learn to code.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls_Who_Code

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reshma_Saujani

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1   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 25, 8:22pm  

Is there an organization that specifically targets males to code?

Why can't girls go to the same free websites all over the internet than boys do?

Why can't they go into the basement and learn from the countless websites and free courses for Python, etc? With Hello Kitty Stickers festooning the back of their laptops?
2   anonymous   2019 Oct 25, 8:31pm  

@NoCoupForYou

Is there an organization that specifically targets males to code? Yes, https://www.blackboyscode.com/

Why can't girls go to the same free websites all over the internet than boys do? Why not?

Why can't they go into the basement and learn from the countless websites and free courses for Python, etc? With Hello Kitty Stickers festooning the back of their laptops?
Why not, indeed.

Girls Who Code gets its funding from some S&P 500 companies. My retirement account is funding them...
3   CBOEtrader   2019 Oct 25, 8:47pm  

Girls and minority power groups = crindge
4   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Oct 25, 9:21pm  

On the positive side...
James Damore's memo could help you out here: While many women could be great programmers if they chose, few have the desire / goal to do so; men and women are different. If Girls Who Code mitigates the "stigma" of coding among the women and gets them interested, I think it's fine. Girls and boys are different and it's fine to treat them differently. The fact that few girls are willing to sit in the basement and code alone for hours on end is an indication of the differences.

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On the negative side...
Checking out their website, I'm having some hesitation. Topics such as "diversity in the workforce" and "cyberbullying" don't exactly sound like learning to code. There's a final project on global warming that is apparently "coded" in CSS and HTML.
5   anonymous   2019 Oct 25, 9:43pm  

I'm tempting to write to these companies and ask them to stop supporting the organization, it is a lot of work.
6   Ceffer   2019 Oct 25, 10:01pm  

Just have a sex change operation, and the other side of your brain will crank right up and you can learn to code on your own.
7   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 25, 10:20pm  

rox42 says
Is there an organization that specifically targets males to code? Yes, https://www.blackboyscode.com/


I said males, generally. Is Girls Who Code only for Black Girls?

rox42 says
Why not, indeed.


Yep, I never heard of a website saying "This IP is associated with the feminine gender and has been blocked."

If nerdy 13-year old boys can visit w3 schools, why not girls? Nothing is stopping them.

rox42 says
Girls Who Code gets its funding from some S&P 500 companies. My retirement account is funding them...


None of that is relevant.

The founder is an attorney. Can she code? How about the others? Alexis Maybank - did she code the website? Or did she envision the marketing look and feel while men coded it? How about Michele Peluso? Another marketeer with no coding experience. Saying "I want to website to look nice and be user friendly" is not actually writing code.

AFAICT, every woman on this board is either an attorney or a markeeter/strategist. None of them are coders. The only one with a technical background is Sprague, and it doesn't look like she was ever involved in nuts and bolts anything outside of any school projects. She was with management consulting firm, McKinsey & Co, before that Oracle, but it looks like everything she was involved with was Marketing, Strategy, and Business Dev. Her last degree is in Public Technology Policy or something.

How about some leadership by women-born-women who can actually code.

I wonder why all the gals congregate in PR, HR, Marketing, etc. in Silicon Valley, but very few are doing the actual coding?

Also, where are all the female coal miners, sanitation engineers, and lumberjacks?
8   Shaman   2019 Oct 26, 6:22am  

My sister in law codes, and is a freelancer with her own business. She’s also good looking, to break the stereotype, although she definitely thinks differently than most women. Much more straight forward. She says she likes her job. So i guess it can happen.
9   Allin   2019 Oct 26, 6:51am  

Yet another organization trying to brainwash young women into liking something that they aren’t naturally inclined and the world doesn’t really need. How are women coders going to make the world better? Are there insufficient men to do this job?
Young women who can manage a household and form well disciplined children is something that the world desperately needs.
10   theoakman   2019 Oct 26, 7:17am  

I think way too many people enter programming these days. Back in the 90s it was just nerdy people. The software I have to use for my equipment which was written in the early 2000s was perfect. Not a single bug and very logically organized. Fast forward to today, the updated software has no drop down menus and is filled with buttons where the pictures make no sense. It also crashes every 5 minutes. I think this is all a result of pushing people into coding instead of it happening on its own. This applies to both boys and girls.
11   Bd6r   2019 Oct 26, 7:41am  

theoakman says
I think this is all a result of pushing people into coding instead of it happening on its own.

And perhaps because most coding nowadays is done in Hyderabad with underpaid workers...
12   Tenpoundbass   2019 Oct 26, 9:44am  

Quigley says
Much more straight forward. She says she likes her job. So i guess it can happen.


Conservative straight forward women are better coders than Liberal free spirit triggered by everything types.

I two daughters that code. Though one struggles more than the other at it, but they are doing better than most I've come across.

There's a girl that interned at the company I work for, we're converting our old ERP to Net Suit(New CIO's suggestion).
We're having to set up a lot of custom Verenia forms, many are very complex. The new CIO seems to keep me in the fringe of the project and I'm totally hands off.
As I'm having to support the legacy stuff and make the queries for the export integration. Though they call me in the meetings to give input on the forms that are needed.
Based on what the Business needs are, I have come up with some pretty complex form, that require some high dive Suite Scripts. The actual NS Verenia folks have to go brainstorm to document and fix code in the back end to meet those needs. The Girl that was intern now converted, has been a dynamo at bringing my suggested required design to fruition. I've been nothing but her champion. And since I'm keen on this company getting NS up and going so I can take some middle ware I wrote with me, and go on to marketing that. Five years is enough for me, and I have no desire to be an end user of a big ERP that the CIO does not want any custom external processes, apps or services working with. I'm a brute force developer, not an end user of out of the box software.

But I do have to give this gal props, she's about as old as my oldest daughter, and I was instrumental in telling the CIO to convert her to full time. I wasn't expecting much out of Chick, but she knows a hell of a lot more than a NS business analyst the CIO also hired. (Again not consulting me) I would have told him, the guy is a faker. Nice guy but he doesn't know dick.
13   Patrick   2019 Oct 26, 9:56am  

Girls can code if they want to, no problem with that.

I do have a problem with the literally incessant preaching about it. I notice a pervasive contrary-to-reality campaign to vastly overrepresent women on all advertising for programming jobs, on the cover of my university's engineering school newsletter, in posters made by the EFF, etc.

They just lie about the reality to "encourage" women to make that reality.

Not going to happen though. Programming requires continuous application of hard logic, and men are definitely far more inclined in that direction, genetically and permanently. No amount of preaching is going to change that reality.
14   CBOEtrader   2019 Oct 26, 10:27am  

Allin says
How are women coders going to make the world better?


Google management suggests they need women, because only women can relate to women, who are 53% of their clientelle (or some joke answer like that).
15   ignoreme   2019 Oct 26, 10:39am  

I’ve worked with some great female coders. I see no problem with sex specific programs. Kids at any age learn better in single gender classrooms. The lesson plan here just seems a little sjw. I’d probably sign my daughter up for just a regular coding class, or even better teach them myself the correct way. Need to go dig up my K&R...
16   theoakman   2019 Oct 26, 11:20am  

In grad school, I wrote a fitting algorithm for multiexponential decay analysis. A girl in the lab was tasked with doing something else related to it. No formal training so she was figuring it out on her own. When I looked at her code, it was thousands of lines of various functions. I introduced her to the concept of a loop and she was like...wait how many months did I just waste?
17   Shaman   2019 Oct 26, 1:01pm  

Patrick says
Programming requires continuous application of hard logic, and men are definitely far more inclined in that direction, genetically and permanently.


Indeed. In fact, the primary objection and conflict men experience with women is due to their absolute rejection of logic and reliance on emotional thinking, which often makes little sense.
There is a definite place for empathetic thinkers, teaching for one, healthcare or childcare for another, psychology, etc.
18   mell   2019 Oct 26, 2:36pm  

Quigley says
Patrick says
Programming requires continuous application of hard logic, and men are definitely far more inclined in that direction, genetically and permanently.


Indeed. In fact, the primary objection and conflict men experience with women is due to their absolute rejection of logic and reliance on emotional thinking, which often makes little sense.
There is a definite place for empathetic thinkers, teaching for one, healthcare or childcare for another, psychology, etc.


Right, cause who hasn't had a convo like this:

she: stop eating the dark chocolate covered almonds! You're finishing them before I get to have some and I bought them!
him: ok fair point, solution through logic suggests that I buy my own and always leave one box untouched for you.
she: no, no! just don't snack when you feel to, only snack (with me) when I feel like it!
him: throw new IllegalArgumentException("illogical");
19   anonymous   2019 Nov 27, 1:48am  

"This morning, Girls Who Code was able to have an amendment brought to the MA House of Representatives requiring the state to track the participation rate of girls in all computer science courses across the state.

GWC alumni and network: please take two minutes to call your state representative and voice your support!

1.) Enter your address below and click on your state representative.
2.) Call their office to voice your support for Amendment 12.

This amendment would help Massachusetts close the gender gap in technology and create a more equitable tech future for girls"
20   BayArea   2019 Nov 27, 4:32am  

rd6B says
Hyderabad
🤣
21   HeadSet   2019 Nov 27, 5:42am  

This amendment would help Massachusetts close the gender gap in technology and create a more equitable tech future for girls

You would have better luck filling that quota by encouraging male coders to transgender.
22   BayArea   2019 Nov 27, 5:52am  

Why not the same effort to bring in more male nurses? Elementary school teachers? Veterinarians? Etc?

Why are there special efforts dedicated to closing the gender gap in computer science!?
23   Shaman   2019 Nov 27, 6:31am  

rox42 says
This morning, Girls Who Code was able to have an amendment brought to the MA House of Representatives requiring the state to track the participation rate of girls in all computer science courses across the state.

@rox42 what possible good can this accomplish? Should women be FORCED to code? Most women do not want that sort of job. It’s not like there are ANY barriers to entry for women to be coders, other than acquiring the necessary skills. In fact, all the big tech firms and most of the smaller ones are always actively recruiting women who code.
So what is the end game with this sort of legislation?
24   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2019 Nov 27, 7:50am  

Liberals love to force choices on others. They hate it when others don’t choose what they want them to.
25   BayArea   2019 Nov 27, 8:23am  

Fortwaynemobile says
Liberals love to force choices on others. They hate it when others don’t choose what they want them to.

Does that apply to abortion, gay sex, etc?
26   HeadSet   2019 Nov 27, 9:27am  

Dies that apply to abortion, gay sex, etc?

Interesting. What do you think will happen first - Gay sex is outlawed, or turning down a gay will get you a discrimination lawsuit.
27   BayArea   2019 Nov 27, 4:07pm  

HeadSet says
Dies that apply to abortion, gay sex, etc?

Interesting. What do you think will happen first - Gay sex is outlawed, or turning down a gay will get you a discrimination lawsuit.
Ah, someone that sees where I was going 😁
28   RWSGFY   2019 Nov 27, 4:21pm  

Do you have to have an actual vagina to be considered "a girl who codes", or simply self-identifying as such is enough?
29   Blue   2019 Nov 27, 4:28pm  

Men took advantage over women for long time by creating f. God and religion. Except those who continue enslaving women, we all know that there is no f. God. It is time for men to provide additional resources for women to make progress to make it fair.
At the same time, I am not going to suggest programs that really force women to drag into CS.
30   mell   2019 Nov 27, 5:41pm  

Liberal_in_blackface says
Do you have to have an actual vagina to be considered "a girl who codes", or simply self-identifying as such is enough?


Absolutely no holds barred everyone qualifies now. Thanks Obama!
31   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Nov 27, 5:44pm  

Liberal_in_blackface says
Do you have to have an actual vagina to be considered "a girl who codes", or simply self-identifying as such is enough?


I think I saw a list of the top 10 or 20 British Women in Tech History, something over a quarter were trans.

I know that many M2F "women" in the US have inventions/noted apps, such as Dani Bunten.
33   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2019 Nov 28, 6:10pm  

It’s culture of failure and murder, not the same. Scale it out and nation fails.

BayArea says
Fortwaynemobile says
Liberals love to force choices on others. They hate it when others don’t choose what they want them to.

Does that apply to abortion, gay sex, etc?
35   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2019 Nov 28, 7:37pm  

Since liberals made it so that men and women identify as same, this tracking is clearly transphobic lol.
37   CBOEtrader   2019 Dec 11, 12:03am  

jazz_music says
require patience and attention to detail


Woman make better EA's , sure
38   HeadSet   2019 Dec 11, 7:37am  

HEYYOU says
AI robot sex dolls will be taking womens' coding jobs.
Technology will screw techies.


If you are talking sex dolls, that would be the other way around - techies would be screwing technology.
39   anonymous   2020 Jul 24, 5:43pm  

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40   Dholliday126   2020 Jul 24, 6:09pm  

Coding is suck a fucking lie. Why teach yourself a profession that can be outsourced anywhere around the globe for someone who will work for pennies. Fuck that.

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