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Half of California voters have considered leaving over housing costs, politics


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2019 Sep 27, 8:21pm   2,597 views  31 comments

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-population/half-of-california-voters-have-considered-leaving-over-housing-costs-politics-poll-idUSKBN1WC2DG

More than half of California voters have thought about moving out of the nation’s most populous state, citing the high cost of housing, taxes or it’s political culture, according to a University of California, Berkeley poll released on Friday.


No problem, they are being replaced with illegals.

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1   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Sep 27, 9:08pm  

HA!

I saw a place in Vegas with a 3 car garage, curved driveway, pool, 2800 sq ft, 4 bd, 3 1/2 ba, beautiful kitchen and bathrooms, walk in closet half the size of my current apartment. Its literally the dream home of wife and I. And located near enough to the good stuff that its worth taking an uber and not worrying about how much I'm drinking, yet far enough that you get none of the bustle at home.

$425K. Thats it. With 20% down its fucking $200 more a month to mortgage than my rent for a 900sq ft apt, and that includes insurance and property tax. Fucking bloody hell.

I am so fucking gone when I retire. I'm actually beginning to hate this state and I still have 10 more years to go. Weather good. Traffic fucking horrible. Politicians fucking amoebas, voters lobotomized, scumbags in abundance.

So so done with this state.
2   just_passing_through   2019 Sep 27, 9:25pm  

I'm right behind you. 15 more years and and early retirement from tech. Maybe only 10.

Same reasons.

Maybe I'll move to Guam.
3   clambo   2019 Sep 27, 9:33pm  

You will save so much $$ in Florida you can do lots of things you may not have done in California.

1. FPL=power company rates are 1/3 of PGE.

2. no income tax, 6% sales tax (compare 9%+ income tax, 9.25% sales tax, state capital gains tax)

3. travel to Europe in the summer, or see the Tetons, etc.

4. gasoline about $1+ gallon cheaper than CA.

I'm thinking in a few years I may be going back, decisions decisions.
4   Booger   2019 Sep 28, 5:40am  

CovfefeButDeadly says
driveway, pool, 2800 sq ft, 4 bd, 3 1/2 ba, beautiful kitchen and bathrooms, walk in closet half the size of my current apartment. Its literally the dream home of wife and I. And located near enough to the good stuff that its worth taking an uber and not worrying about how much I'm drinking, yet far enough that you get none of the bustle at home.

$425K. Thats it.


That's too fucking expensive for metro Vegas.
5   Booger   2019 Sep 28, 5:41am  

#FuckCalifornia
6   ignoreme   2019 Sep 28, 6:49am  

Life is short, get out now. No point living in a place you hate. Plenty of tech jobs in other states. Lots of companies let you work remote now too.

Just don’t vote Democrat when you move to your new state. All the good states are getting ruined by ex-Californians who still keep voting for the same people who screwed up the state they just fled from.
7   Bd6r   2019 Sep 28, 7:54am  

Let them stay in Cownifornia and eat cake they have voted in.
8   Shaman   2019 Sep 28, 8:20am  

I think most of us in California could move elsewhere and save lots of money. But could we make similar wages? Seems doubtful. Since I work outdoors and my wife has tenure we are pretty stuck. Could be worse I guess! We are still building wealth, even if it’s slower than it could be in a lower tax state. The house alone has made us almost 200k in equity.
9   just_passing_through   2019 Sep 28, 8:54am  

It isn't so much the money but the work. It's in SD, I could move back to the bay area, Seattle, Boston, UK (England portion) or China. Those are my options.

I was born here but grew up in TX so I know the story.

edit: NYC is staring to get some as well. Also I left out research triangle NC area.
10   Ceffer   2019 Sep 28, 10:47am  

I went to Kaiser for a flu shot, and there are five different clip boards with five different languages.

LibbyFucks have made California a den of foreign infiltrations. There is no way this ends without violence, attempted occupation/secession, and endless internecine conflicts.
11   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2019 Sep 28, 11:18am  

More than half.

I’ve considered it too, mostly to get away from lunatic left and their idiotic laws.
12   Patrick   2019 Sep 28, 12:02pm  

My thing is that I've got a great job lately, and I have a lot of friends around from living here for 21 years.

So I put up with the parts I don't like and am grateful for the parts I do like.

I think California may swing right as the devastation from leftist government becomes obvious to everyone.
13   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2019 Sep 28, 12:33pm  

I hope so.

Patrick says
My thing is that I've got a great job lately, and I have a lot of friends around from living here for 21 years.

So I put up with the parts I don't like and am grateful for the parts I do like.

I think California may swing right as the devastation from leftist government becomes obvious to everyone.
14   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Sep 28, 1:45pm  

Patrick says
My thing is that I've got a great job lately, and I have a lot of friends around from living here for 21 years.

So I put up with the parts I don't like and am grateful for the parts I do like.

I think California may swing right as the devastation from leftist government becomes obvious to everyone.


I assure you it won’t. See my earlier “voters lobotimized”. It’s an illness. I grew up in Los Angeles. I was able to vocalize my(at the time) very conservative Republican views in high school and college without repercussion.

Now I have to keep shit to myself. I have a co worker who is a die hard Dem, but he’s still an everyone can believe what they want person so I can mess with him. However when I told him “hey you only have Trump for 6 more years”, a co worker overheard and literally shot 10 million death rays into me.

My brother lives in a high income part of LA and hated politics when we were growing up. During the 2016 election he asked me why all his neighbors were Dems and didn’t they realize the damage they were doing? I was very proud of him at that moment.

But it’s all indicative. Californians are literally too stupid to recognize the damage Democrats are doing to this state. They see housing prices rise to the point of unaffordability, move somewhere else, then vote for the same idiots that made California uninhabitable.
15   B.A.C.A.H.   2019 Sep 28, 1:48pm  

I had a colleague who lived in Hill Country of Texas his entire life. His job sent him to the Bay Area every now and then. He would add some time off before/after the work to enjoy the touristic stuff.

Over time, he and his partner took several vacations to our region, separate even from the work travel. Big Sur, the Coast Road, Yosemite, Wine Country, Death Valley and Palm Springs in winter, Tahoe different times of year including skiing.

As an engineer in that part of Texas, his pay was in the same grade, more or less, as mine. (maybe a bit less due to regional difference). My partner and I, lived in a 1100 sq ft sh*tbox in what most of you Hipsters would call a ghetto. And, to afford to do so, required both us parents working, driving old beater cars, etc. My colleague had a custom-built McMansion in Hill Country in reasonable commute to Austin and San Antonio. His partner was able to stay home with the kids then only work part time once they were both in school.

When he and his partner became empty nesters, that's when they began enjoying travel to California. All the money they didn't piss away on living here, they could afford to enjoy the state more than his colleagues who lived here. All the extra time they had not dealing with horrible traffic and both parents working, enabled more leisure time instead of dedicating time off from work catching up on deferred maintenance and chores.

We used to joke about it, that the best way to enjoy what California has to offer, is to live in Texas.
16   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Sep 28, 1:49pm  

Booger says
CovfefeButDeadly says
driveway, pool, 2800 sq ft, 4 bd, 3 1/2 ba, beautiful kitchen and bathrooms, walk in closet half the size of my current apartment. Its literally the dream home of wife and I. And located near enough to the good stuff that its worth taking an uber and not worrying about how much I'm drinking, yet far enough that you get none of the bustle at home.

$425K. Thats it.


That's too fucking expensive for metro Vegas.


I like urban living so it’s in basically the only upscale area near the strip and downtown. I can get the same for $30-50k less in Henderson and $100-150k less in NLV, but then I gotta live in the cookie cutter suburbs.
17   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Sep 28, 1:55pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says
I had a colleague who lived in Hill Country of Texas his entire life. His job sent him to the Bay Area every now and then. He would add some time off before/after the work to enjoy the touristic stuff.

Over time, he and his partner took several vacations to our region, separate even from the work travel. Big Sur, the Coast Road, Yosemite, Wine Country, Death Valley and Palm Springs in winter, Tahoe different times of year including skiing.

As an engineer in that part of Texas, his pay was in the same grade, more or less, as mine. (maybe a bit less due to regional difference). My partner and I, lived in a 1100 sq ft sh*tbox in what most of you Hipsters would call a ghetto. And, to afford to do so, required both us parents working, driving old beater cars, etc. My colleague had a cost-built McMansion in Hill Country in reasonable commute to Austin and San Antonio. His partner was able to stay home with the kids then only work part time once they were both in scho...


Texas is plan B if the Dems turn Nevada to crap. I swear Dems are absolute morons. What idiot institutes a government safety net in a state with slot machines on every corner. I can’t begin to describe the sheer lunacy of welfare for a state that only keeps the grifter population under control by being so incredibly harsh on those that can’t control their vices. Nevada hasn’t done it yet, but they voted the Dems in and some of those idiots do want a state income tax and a government social safety net.
18   RC2006   2019 Sep 28, 2:07pm  

Just came back from kids birthday party, when I talk to people with kids they are all thinking about bailing and I think I was one of the only adults born here. Think there is one last great white flight before it all goes to shit.
19   B.A.C.A.H.   2019 Sep 28, 2:43pm  

RC2006 says
when I talk to people with kids they are all thinking about bailing


RC, if you have schoolagers earlier than about 5th grade, please give serious consideration to GTF out. It's not even about the traffic/congestion or cost of housing. It's about the kids.

The situation here is toxic for adolescents. I had three coworkers with a personal connection to teenagers who committed suicide in "The Fortress" area of K-12 with High Standardized Test Scores that non-locals covet so much. (particularly, immigrants from Asia). One was a parent of a suicider, one a godparent, and one close friend of the family. Fremont High (in Sunnyvale), Lynbrook HS and Palo Alto HS. One Indian, one white, one Chinese. Three different modes: hanging/self-asphixiation, CalTrain, drug overdose.

Another case, a mixed race kid in Monta Vista HS with the audacity not to go along with the Peer Pressure about Tiger-Parented overachievers. Ostracized and bullied, an Evil Bastard three decades older keyed in on her problem with self esteem and exploited it. Her parents, friends of mine, are the Lucky Ones: she may be all screwed up but she did not commit suicide.

So many others I know, Strip-Mining their parents of their Nest Eggs, then piling on student debt, in Peer-Pressured Pursuit of going from a Fortress High School into an expensive private university back east. Many of them do not get accepted to the Ivies. There's plenty of other expensive schools back there to apply to and piss away money on: Syracuse, NYU, Boston U, Rutgers, "Pace University", Tufts, Stevens. These are the ones from just the past COUPLE OF YEARS that I know the families and can put a face on. Nothing wrong with taking Baby Steps, being a commuter student around here first, then transferring. Except, it's the Peer Pressure these kids have among themselves to go to those schools straight out of HS, and for too many of them, the Peer Pressure of the Tiger Parents' peer group pecking orders. That facade of keeping face does not allow being a commuter/transfer from one of our excellent community colleges.

Another case, a colleague of mine whose family wanted to "have it all", the large home in a leafy suburb, required that both parents employed in career type jobs to make it work; ie, latch-key adolescent. In a sensational case you can read about on wikipedia and elsewhere on the internet, their adolescent didn't make it home one day and has been missing for many years.

It's not even about the money or the traffic or the taxes.

It's about our kids.
20   Ceffer   2019 Sep 28, 2:58pm  

Yeah, California is strange. Schools are either baby sitting propaganda mills for tomorrow's purposed collectivist illiterates and gang bangers (most of them), or suicide crucibles for the foreign upper classes flogging their kids to ancestor-honoring achievements for their family units.

California: the place where you engage in relentless, soul sucking competition, congestion and frustration just to have bad relations with hostile, shallow, litigious people and live a barely middle class lifestyle.
21   Bd6r   2019 Sep 28, 3:27pm  

CovfefeButDeadly says
Texas is plan B if the Dems turn Nevada to crap.

Sadly, parts of Texas including Austin are turning to shit as well, courtesy of transplants from Clownifornia. Austin has its own homeless problem due to SJW city council.
22   RC2006   2019 Sep 28, 4:41pm  

/\ it's the same thing I hear from coworkers in Texas.
23   Ceffer   2019 Sep 28, 4:46pm  

6rdB says
Clownifornia


Except, it's really no laughing matter any more. And there's no backtracking, only forward into more mess.
24   Patrick   2019 Sep 28, 9:38pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says
he and his partner


Please, let's resist the insidious undermining of the language by SJW's.

If "his partner" is a man, then we should say "his boyfriend".

If it's a woman, then it's "his girlfriend" or "his wife", or perhaps "his fiancee".

The traditional terminology keeps things clean and simple and reality-based. Thanks for considering it.
25   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Sep 28, 9:59pm  

RC2006 says
Just came back from kids birthday party, when I talk to people with kids they are all thinking about bailing and I think I was one of the only adults born here. Think there is one last great white flight before it all goes to shit.


Once the middle class suckers start leaving in droves, the sociologists at UCal Berkeley will call it "White Flight" and blame all of California's issues on them.

"It's Mary and Marty Hicklebum leaving for Nevada with their 2 kids that caused the latest outbreak of Black Plague from the homeless fentanyl addict encampments!"
27   B.A.C.A.H.   2019 Sep 29, 11:17am  

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says
leaving for Nevada with their 2 kids


It's about our kids.
28   NuttBoxer   2019 Sep 30, 8:24am  

My brother-in-law is looking at moving permanently to his house in Tijuana because of money shortage.
29   clambo   2019 Sep 30, 9:23am  

Addendum regarding Florida:

This is in case guys like Rin and others who are single may have an interest in females.

The female population in Florida is 1. friendlier 2. slimmer 3. hotter 4. less feminist 5. more flexible about "relationship status" than N. California by far.

It's vastly easier to find the company of the opposite sex in Florida; the more money you can spend to go out the better of course.

But there are tons of fun places to go out and the food is also great.

Of course, once you are in your 70's you won't really care about girls that much; but you can also do the "Robert Kraft workout" if the mood strikes you.
30   Ceffer   2019 Sep 30, 10:16am  

clambo says
The female population in Florida is 1. friendlier 2. slimmer 3. hotter 4. less feminist 5. more flexible about "relationship status" than N. California by far.

I don't know about slimmer, but in general Southern women have a much greater tendency to actually like being women and they like/appreciate men. Southern women can be militant about the female role and the female principle, in a good way.

In California, they compete with men or gold dig, with few exceptions. The idea of just liking men for what or who they are doesn't enter the equation.

I've seen girls in California who seemed at least somewhat nice as adolescents turn hard, cold, bitter and scheming by the time they were 21. it's a very dissatisfying social paradigm in general for both sexes. Congratulations, nasty, subversive feminists.
31   Bd6r   2019 Sep 30, 10:31am  

Ceffer says
in general Southern women have a much greater tendency to actually like being women and they like/appreciate men. Southern women can be militant about the female role and the female principle, in a good way.

Hispanic women (other than some very skillful gold-diggers) are quite like that as well. If you want to get 500 fairly reliable relatives who will help you if you need them and a non-feminist wife, a Hispanic woman is a way to go...

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