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Illegal immigration is not about compassion, it's about cheap peasant labor and spreading costs onto the taxpayer


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2019 Aug 22, 8:13pm   2,197 views  18 comments

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I've heard the claim that one of the reasons illegal immigration has been so politically unpopular for many decades, yet has miraculously survived relatively unscathed for so long, is because there's large economic / corporate interests pulling the strings behind the doors, greasing the palms of politicians so that their river of peasant labor doesn't dry up. And, once the dependence of businesses on this labor is established, it's hard to stop, because it's akin to making a junky quit cold turkey - the change would likely destroy many businesses whose model can't withstand more than a small increase in labor costs.

It sounds plausible to me.

Having illegal labor would benefit the rich, and the rich are usually the business class. I would imagine Big Farm and Big Food is most vested in this institution. They get to save money via various channels such as:
- pay them less, avoiding minimum wage
- work the laborers harder and longer, because they know the peasant is grateful for their job
- can skimp on adhering to worker protection laws, because everything is hush hush
- can skimp on benefits, such as healthcare. If they get hurt, just drop them off at the emergency room loading ramp and run, letting them stick the bill on the taxpayer.
- can delay paying them if occasionally needed, because what are they gonna do?
- workers don't want to rat out a bad employer's behavior because it will hurt other destitute laborers via job loss when the business is shut down
- the worker is an illegal, and this fact prevents the worker from participating in the same labor markets as citizens, where the worker could benefit from competition and market forces
- more, I'm sure.


My question though - while to me it seems plausible via reasoning, I don't have any solid facts to support such a claim. I imagine some of you have heard and seen pertinent golden nuggets of info over the years, so let's hear em. i.e. like a congressman who stood against fighting illegals, and then went to work for big farm after congress.

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1   HeadSet   2019 Aug 26, 2:59pm  

And votes. To hell with the long range effects.

Also, illegals cannot unionize.
2   Shaman   2019 Aug 26, 3:02pm  

HeadSet says
And votes. To hell with the long range effects.

Also, illegals cannot unionize.


Tell that to Cesar Chavez
3   Bd6r   2019 Aug 26, 3:07pm  

Quigley says
Cesar Chavez

Born in Yuma AZ
4   ForcedTQ   2019 Aug 26, 3:27pm  

I thought Cesar Chavez was anti illegal immigrant, as he saw the cause of depressed wages being the unfettered supply of labor to the farm owners? I know I saw a documentary or two on it. Yet the fucking open-borders crews keep pumping him up like a hero...

On another note: This, all fucking day long: https://moneyandmarkets.com/donald-trump-plans-to-end-birthright-citizenship/

THE BEST PART? He doesn't even have to create an EO to do it, he just needs to instruct the DOJ to do their damn job! Follow 14th amendment.
5   clambo   2019 Aug 26, 3:59pm  

Today the Farm Workers Union will happily accept illegal workers because they like collecting dues.
6   HeadSet   2019 Aug 26, 4:38pm  

clambo says
Today the Farm Workers Union will happily accept illegal workers because they like collecting dues.


Any illegal who talked to a union would be replaced by another illegal.
7   clambo   2019 Aug 26, 10:37pm  

Foreign illegal workers hold down wages for legal workers, saving employers money. Foreign legal workers from places like India perform the same function.

Restaurants are notorious for having illegal foreign labor, now in California also the trades and construction have hired illegals.

I could give examples but just look around you.

Headset, in some places there is a contract with the farm workers union, so all of the workers at the location are in the union; the place I saw it was a large mushroom farm with Monterey brand name. Those who picked them and packed them were illegals.
8   Bd6r   2019 Aug 27, 9:12am  

ForcedTQ says
I thought Cesar Chavez was anti illegal immigrant

He was very Trump-like with respect to illegals, as Chavez was an honest and intelligent man:

As a child working with his family in the California fields, Cesar quickly learned the reason farmworkers were paid so little and treated so poorly: As his biographer Miriam Pawel writes, “a surplus of labor enabled growers to treat workers as little more that interchangeable parts, cheaper and easier to replace than machines.”
In fact, even before he started the union and fought against illegal immigration, he was opposed to the bracero program, which legally imported cheap, disposable labor from Mexico at the expense of American citizens (of Mexican and other origins) who had been working in the fields. Pawel quotes Chavez as saying, “It looks almost impossible to start some effective program to get these people their jobs back from the braceros.”

In the mid 1970s, he conducted the “Illegals Campaign” to identify and report illegal workers, “an effort he deemed second in importance only to the boycott” (of produce from non-unionized farms), according to Pawel. She quotes a memo from Chavez that said, “If we can get the illegals out of California, we will win the strike overnight.”

The Illegals Campaign didn’t just report illegals to the (unresponsive) federal authorities. Cesar sent his cousin, ex-con Manuel Chavez, down to the border to set up a “wet line” (as in “wetbacks”) to do the job the Border Patrol wasn’t being allowed to do. Unlike the Minutemen of a few years ago, who arrived at the border with no more than lawn chairs and binoculars, the United Farm Workers patrols were willing to use direct methods when persuasion failed. Housed in a series of tents along the Arizona border, the crews in the wet line sometimes beat up illegals, the “cesarchavistas” employing violence even more widely on the Mexican side of the border to prevent crossings.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/03/cesar-chavez-illegal-immigration-foe/

But ORANGEMANBAD even if he wants to do the same as Cesar Chavez, who is an icon of the Left...
9   Patrick   2019 Sep 8, 10:49am  

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ms13-gang-members-illegal-immigrants-maryland-stabbing-deadly-ice

Six of the seven people charged in the stabbing death of a man in Maryland in July have been identified by federal officials as being part of the MS-13 gang and in the country illegally, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The Baltimore County Police Department announced Tuesday that seven suspects, including a 16-year-old charged as an adult, were charged with killing 21-year-old Daniel Alejandro Alvarado Cuellar. ...

Of the seven suspects, six are in the U.S. illegally, the ICE spokeswoman added. Of the six illegal immigrant suspects, who were not named, five are Salvadoran and one is Mexican, ICE said.


Gangs of violent illegals are a direct harm that business owners are inflicting on the rest of us in their quest to force the wages of the poor even lower, with assistance from liberals.
11   Bd6r   2019 Sep 21, 8:53am  

Interesting - South Asians are using the least welfare by far.
12   RC2006   2019 Sep 21, 9:30am  

6rdB says
Quigley says
Cesar Chavez

Born in Yuma AZ


Also Cesar Chavez Republican
13   Tenpoundbass   2019 Sep 21, 9:58am  

We were sold illegal immigration because they promised to scrub the skidmarks out of my shorts, and mow my grass on a hot day.

We were lied to. The Immigration lawyers that pat themselves on the back and give each other awards for their probono work to chain migrate every family member of every illegal alien that comes across the Mexican border. They also are lying sons of bitches. They are lobbying to allow them to encroach and take more American upper 5 figure to 6 figure blue collar jobs. That affords every Illegal Alien with $80,000 Dualy Pick Up Trucks, and fat pay checks so they can pay those Lawyers half of their money to bring in another family member. And each one they set up. Will end up paying them to bring in 10 family members. And many of those family members will get set up and bring in the other side of the family. Rinse and Repeat.

No Fucking More the Jig is UP! We know what time it is, either scrub my fucking shorts or go the Fuck home! And get your Ass out of MY Pick up Truck you damn Cretins!

Get back across the borders. You're not Welcome here. Get in their faces and let them know, when you see them on Construction jobs doing work your son at home playing video games because he's disgusted and disillusioned because those Faggy Commie Lawyers have baked their hopelessness into their immigration policy. Take your life back and give your kids their life back. Send George Soros Army of Killers, Robbers and Rapists back the fuck Home!
14   Patrick   2019 Sep 22, 10:36am  

@Hircus look up the case of the Little Debbie dessert factory in Chicago.

After ICE raided them and took away the majority of their labor, they were forced to hire local citizens, mostly blacks, at about twice the wages they were paying illegals.

That's how it's supposed to work, and that is how it actually did work in that case, thanks to Trump's support for ICE.
15   Patrick   2019 Sep 22, 1:14pm  

Thanks for asking, @HEYYOU

Even NPR, which is extremely partisan, admits that Trump has quite effectively discouraged illegal immigration:

BURNETT: Right. Well, first of all, the overall deportations went down because fewer people, mainly from Latin America, were trying to cross the southwest border. They call it the Trump effect. So we're talking about the other 10 percent here.

And I think there are two things that are happening for the jump in deportations. First, so-called recalcitrant countries that used to refuse to accept deportees from the U.S. are now repatriating them. And the Trump administration is proud of this. And they feel like it's an untold story that they made these agreements with these countries.

So we're seeing big increases of deportees to places like Somalia, Guinea, Cuba, Bangladesh, Iraq, Afghanistan. For instance, with Iraq, the administration took it off the travel ban list in return for the country agreeing to repatriate its people. And the second thing I think that's going on is ICE agents are just more aggressive, as we've reported all last year.


https://www.npr.org/2018/01/23/579884642/trumps-ice-deportations-increase-from-obamas-figures-data-show

You can also see this in people who are just giving up on fraudulent "asylum" claims when it's obvious that they are here merely to suck money out of the US economy:



https://www.themarshallproject.org/2019/05/08/more-detained-immigrants-are-giving-up-court-fights-and-leaving-the-u-s

There is also the general strengthening of respect for the law and support for ICE in supporting the law:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/20/non-criminal-immigrants-arrests-deportations/424066002/

The number of immigrants without criminal records arrested or deported by federal agents in Michigan and Ohio soared over the past year as the administration of President Donald Trump toughened immigration enforcement, according to statistics reviewed by the Free Press.

The data confirm what local immigrants and advocates say they've been seeing as more immigrants are detained and deported by agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and U.S. Border Patrol (USBP), two agencies with the Department of Homeland Security.


Are illegal immigrants above the law, or are they not?

That is the question.
16   Patrick   2019 Sep 22, 1:28pm  

HeadSet says
clambo says
Today the Farm Workers Union will happily accept illegal workers because they like collecting dues.


Any illegal who talked to a union would be replaced by another illegal.


Lol, BINGO!

The great virtue of illegals, from a treasonous employer's point of view, is that they are illegal and thus have less ability to make demands on employers for better wages and conditions.

It's really the employers of illegals that we should be deporting, preferably to Somalia.
17   Patrick   2019 Sep 22, 1:55pm  

This seems likely to eventually solve the problem of illegals pushing down the wages for farm jobs:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/04/business/robot-farmers/index.html

It takes a certain nimbleness to pick a strawberry or a salad. While crops like wheat and potatoes have been harvested mechanically for decades, many fruits and vegetables have proved resistant to automation. They are too easily bruised, or too hard for heavy farm machinery to locate.

But recently, technological developments and advances in machine learning have led to successful trials of more sensitive and dexterous robots, which use cameras and artificial intelligence to locate ripe fruit and handle it with care and precision.
Developed by engineers at the University of Cambridge, the Vegebot is the first robot that can identify and harvest iceberg lettuce — bringing hope to farmers that one of the most demanding crops for human pickers could finally be automated.
First, a camera scans the lettuce and, with the help of a machine learning algorithm trained on more than a thousand lettuce images, decides if it is ready for harvest. Then a second camera guides the picking cage on top of the plant without crushing it. Sensors feel when it is in the right position, and compressed air drives a blade through the stalk at a high force to get a clean cut.


So those wages are going to go to zero. But there will be a lot of jobs in engineering those robots, and maintaining them.
18   Hircus   2019 Sep 22, 4:24pm  

Patrick says

After ICE raided them and took away the majority of their labor, they were forced to hire local citizens, mostly blacks, at about twice the wages they were paying illegals.


And the nice thing is that this was an abrupt change that forced them to replace a large number of workers, so you would expect them to resort to much higher than normal wages to quickly fill the gap. If they had more time to make such replacements gradually, the wage premium would surely be reduced. In the end, the wages will stay higher, but would likely be manageable for the business.

And, this wage premium would raise incentives for automation, so engineering companies would prioritize solutions to address this industry relatively somewhat higher than they do today - further fueling efficiency improvements.

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