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“French civilians suffered far worse casualties as a result of their liberation by the Allies than were inflicted by their Nazi German occupiers”
Pacifist literature abounds with equivocal remarks which, if they mean anything, appear to mean that statesmen of the type of Hitler are preferable to those of the type of Churchill, and that violence is perhaps excusable if it is violent enough. After the fall of France, the French pacifists, faced by a real choice which their English colleagues have not had to make, mostly went over to the Nazis, and in England there appears to have been some small overlap of membership between the Peace Pledge Union and the Blackshirts.
If there is a lesson there it's the following: next time your nation faces something like Hitler you fucking hold you obligations towards your allies, not pretend you are at war for 8 month while doing basically nothing with twice as much tanks and artillery as the enemy at your disposal. Better tanks to boot.
You're talking of France? What tanks? What planes? All France had was the ligne Maginot. You learn the lesson from the previous war: one in which defense was vastly more efficient that offense. Wrong lesson.
You're talking of France? What tanks? What planes? All France had was the ligne Maginot.
How long did the US stood and did nothing?
What tanks?
Ok so how long did the US stood and did nothing after Germany declared war on the US, making the US an ally of England and France and Poland against Germany?
The French and Brits believed that Russia would get into it with Germany over Poland
Wonder who else had the same idea.
Ok so how long did the US stood and did nothing after Germany declared war on the US?
Yeah... jump in at the last minute when other countries are exhausted by years of fighting.
Humm.... Wonder who else had the same idea.
If you're referring to WW1
The vast majority of them, yes. Those in the resistance were far outnumbered by those collaborating. And when Hitler 'asked' Vichy France to load their jews onto the box cars headed east, the French enthusiastically cooperated.
(v) Pacifism. The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to the taking of life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists whose real though unadmitted motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration of totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States.Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defence of western countries. The Russians, unlike the British, are not blamed for defending themselves by warlike means, and indeed all pacifist propaganda of this type avoids mention of Russia or China . It is not claimed, again, that the Indians should abjure violence in their struggle against the British. Pacifist literature abounds with equivocal remarks which, if they mean anything, appear to mean that statesmen of the type of Hitler are preferable to those of the type of Churchill, and that violence is perhaps excusable if it is violent enough. After the fall of France, the French pacifists, faced by a real choice which their English colleagues have not had to make, mostly went over to the Nazis, and in England there appears to have been some small overlap of membership between the Peace Pledge Union and the Blackshirts. Pacifist writers have written in praise of Carlyle, one of the intellectual fathers of Fascism. All in all it is difficult not to feel that pacifism, as it appears among a section of the intelligentsia, is secretly inspired by an admiration for power and successful cruelty. The mistake was made of pinning this emotion to Hitler, but it could easily be retransfered.
inside most pacifists isn't pacifism
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