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Patrick says

month later, a mother was arrested in front of her autistic daughter and baby son, allegedly for misgendering a trans activist on social media.

I’m so glad that we have our Constitution to protect us from the SJW Nazi brigades! Too bad the cucked girly boys of the UK can’t get it hard enough to fight the social justice idiots for their own rights.

Patrick says

On social issues, the Left positions itself as a champion of the downtrodden, the victim groups at the foot of the oppression pyramid. How then to square the circle of feminists like Germaine Greer, who have fought for women’s equality their entire lives being at loggerheads with the trans-rights lobby, and gay rights advocates like Peter Tatchell defending free speech? The answer, it turns out, is simple: ban them from speaking and call them bigots. ...

Great chart, thanks for that @Patrick.

The Left has moved further to the Left, rather than the other way around.

HonkpilledMaster says

The Left has moved further to the Left, rather than the other way around.

They have gone hard Left. Not sure they will be able to tack back to the center:

- Open borders - literally advocating to remove border fencing
- Sanctuary Cities
- Felons on death row voting
- Lowering the voting age to 16
- Green New Deal
- Abortion up to crowning and beyond....
- Trannies in sports and the military
- Medicare for all

socal2 says

- Green New Deal

The green new deal idea is a joke, but it's the one thing I lean pretty hard "left" on and I think most people should (renewal energy). And not because of climate change or any of that crap. Honestly, just because it's cleaner. Who wants to live in filth? Or have cities all smogged out like in China or like we had 20+ years ago (still happens, just not as bad here). We've had massive climate changes (ice ages & hot spells) with zero human interaction. I just like living in a clean house (globe).

Everything else is crap though on your list and I'm not sure there's one logical reason for any of it and why people support it. Healthcare is a massive issue, I just don't think the government running it is going to make it better in the long run.

The green new deal idea is a joke, but it's the one thing I lean pretty hard "left" on and I think most people should (renewal energy).

I do not think anyone, left or right, is against renewable energy. I think the objection is when elites push that the common man should restrict his lifestyle to one sustainable by renewables, while these elites live an energy hogging lifestyle of mansions and private jets.

HeadSet says

I do not think anyone, left or right, is against renewable energy.

You'd think so. Not sure that's the truth though. It's one area where I think some people who associate with the "right" so to speak are off their rocker. There are a fair share of small wang dudes that are driving around in $60k trucks at 14 miles per gallon that will NEVER even use the truck bed for actual work or tow a damn thing. They do it because they can and that's a stupid reason.

That said, I don't want to take that right away from them to get that truck. Just don't claim to be for clean and renewable energy driving one of those things around. It's nonsense. Or at least use the fucking thing for something productive or get a damn sedan or something.

HeadSet says

I think the objection is when elites push that the common man should restrict his lifestyle to one sustainable by renewables, while these elites live an energy hogging lifestyle of mansions and private jets.

The private jets are throwing out emissions for sure, but doesn't GA planes rain 100LL fuel emissions down upon us? You're right on the mansions (and the jets) but it's just such a small % though. 10 wannabe hillbilly's are going to throw out more emissions driving their huge truck as a daily driver versus a private jet being used.

I wouldn't and don't want to force it on people, but the easiest way to reduce the pollution (filth) is to take it away from the masses. 20 F-150's on the road daily is far worse than the private Learjet flying once a week. If everyone had a jet, then we'd have a problem. And again, I'm not promoting getting rid of trucks or allowing you to buy them. Just think informing the public on the topic isn't the end of the world.

WookieMan says

HeadSet says

I do not think anyone, left or right, is against renewable energy.

You'd think so. Not sure that's the truth though. It's one area where I think some people who associate with the "right" so to speak are off their rocker. There are a fair share of small wang dudes that are driving around in $60k trucks at 14 miles per gallon that will NEVER even use the truck bed for actual work or tow a damn thing. They do it because they can and that's a stupid reason.

There is no "clean" alternative to a pickup truck right now.

When the Rivian EV trucks come out next year (and better winter battery performance), they will have some cleaner alternatives to consider.
https://products.rivian.com/

To attract enough people to cross over to renewables to make a meaningful dent in carbon emissions, the renewable products have to be at least equal or better than conventional carbon based alternatives. There are not enough people (anywhere) who are willing to pay substantially more for less product to stave off a few degrees of projected global warming.

My Chevy Bolt is a good example. It is faster and more fun than any car I've owned and it is saving me money as well. The environmental benefits were at the bottom of my list in my car selection..........and I am an "environmentalist" working for an environmental engineering firm.

I think the free market will continue to drive innovation making products people will WANT and we won't need heavy handed top down government regulation stifling development.

socal2 says

To attract enough people to cross over to renewables to make a meaningful dent in carbon emissions, the renewable products have to be at least equal or better than conventional carbon based alternatives. There are not enough people (anywhere) who are willing to pay substantially more for less product to stave off a few degrees of projected global warming.

Wasn't my point. I don't care what anyone drives really at the end of the day and don't want to control it based on "climate change." But why do white collar dudes commuting to work drive these huge trucks that they'll never use for the intended purpose? Complete fucking waste. I don't care if you can afford it, it's just retarded is all.

You can be straighter than an arrow, but that doesn't mean you just go fuck a gay dude just because you can. Same thing with a big truck and not "actually" using it. Go ahead and do it. Dudes that know how to do shit can see through the veil of bullshit.

HEYYOU says

PUSSY GRABBING SEXUAL PERVERT!

Grabbing pussy does not qualify as sexual perversion.

d6rB says

HEYYOU says

PUSSY GRABBING SEXUAL PERVERT!

Grabbing pussy does not qualify as sexual perversion.

Same with getting your dick sucked by your staff at work while your wife is in the same building.

WookieMan says

But why do white collar dudes commuting to work drive these huge trucks that they'll never use for the intended purpose? Complete fucking waste. I don't care if you can afford it, it's just retarded is all.

Some guys are just truck nuts and it is a status thing. They don't want to be seen in a small Asian or European car and modern trucks are actually pretty bitching with high powered engines and spacious interiors.

I think some people like the idea of having a truck (or a gun) around just in case they really need it once in a while.

d6rB says

HEYYOU says

PUSSY GRABBING SEXUAL PERVERT!

Grabbing pussy does not qualify as sexual perversion.

Right not everyone is gay (yet).

mell says

Right not everyone is gay (yet).

You haven't been to West Hollywood yet. All 9 circles of Dantes inferno in one place. Similar I hear exists in San Francisco too.

socal2 says

My Chevy Bolt is a good example. ... and it is saving me money as well.

Is it really, though? I haven't ran numbers much in the past 5 years, but before that, I had a really difficult time "making the numbers work" when it came to paying more money for some electric or hybrid vehicle under the assumption that my higher initial outlay of money would be made up with future savings. While it's easy to pay more to get something that has a lower operating cost per mile, the hard part is getting that savings to add up to eventually break even.

Not only do you need to recoup the extra $ you paid, but if were being realistic, you also should factor opportunity cost. If you spend an extra $10k for the eco car, that's 10k you could have put into stocks, bonds, or less conventional investments like solar etc... and gotten a fairly safe 4-6% CAGR on.

Another thing I often see is that often there's other comparable vehicles that are just plain cheaper. For example, spending maybe 18k and getting 35mpg vs spending 30k and getting 50mpg is hard to justify. A typical user drives 15k miles per year, and
15,000 miles / 50 mpg X $3.5 per gallon = $1050
15,000 miles / 35 mpg X $3.5 per gallon = $1500

1500 - 1050 = $450 saved in gas per year for an extra $12k initial outlay for the eco car. That's not very good. In this case, a $12k bond at 4% would also generate about the same - $480/yr, but the bond will keep producing for you forever or until you sell it to get the capital back.

Also, many eco vehicles (but not all) depreciate faster.

I appreciate that car comparison is complicated, especially when trying to quantify differences in "fun" and other forms of utility between models, but I'm just saying that I feel most people paid more for eco cars, and they paid more primarily so they would "save in the long run", but most people actually pay quite a bit more in the end.

Hircus says

socal2 says

My Chevy Bolt is a good example. ... and it is saving me money as well.

Is it really, though? I haven't ran numbers much in the past 5 years, but before that, I had a really difficult time "making the numbers work" when it came to paying more money for some electric or hybrid vehicle under the assumption that my higher initial outlay of money would be made up with future savings.

This is probably why I'll keep coming back to patnet. An OP about the "right wing" turns into a discussion on EV's and trucks. Lol, in a good way.

socal2 says

Some guys are just truck nuts and it is a status thing

And this is it. Just doing something because you want to, for no quantifiable reason, is plain stupid is all. It's a pure emotional purchase and it's likely that person has some other underlying internal issues they may need to address. Those trucks also make a lot of people cash poor with $700-800 car payments. And for what?

Guns I get because you can drop $800 on a decent gun and it's essentially an insurance policy/protection while the truck is just pissed away money not using the utility of it. The truck that doesn't have a sheet of plywood touch the bed is utterly retarded.

I'm this way with sports cars too. When it comes to vehicles I'm a get me from A to B guy. I sit in someone's nice truck for car the first time, I ask them how many vacations did you give up to have this thing? Timmy not going to college? And then I offer to drive to lunch because guess what, we're still gonna have lunch and not remember a damn thing about how we got there. I then cover lunch, jump over to the airport and fly to Costa Rica for a quick 5 night trip.

WookieMan says

Or have cities all smogged out like in China or like we had 20+ years ago (still happens, just not as bad here). We've had massive climate changes (ice ages & hot spells) with zero human interaction

Wookie, do we have cleaner air because of the EPA, or more because we lost millions of manufacturing jobs overseas?

Hircus says

socal2 says

My Chevy Bolt is a good example. ... and it is saving me money as well.

Is it really, though? I haven't ran numbers much in the past 5 years, but before that, I had a really difficult time "making the numbers work" when it came to paying more money for some electric or hybrid vehicle under the assumption that my higher initial outlay of money would be made up with future savings. While it's easy to pay more to get something that has a lower operating cost per mile, the hard part is getting that savings to add up to eventually break even

I have a 3 year lease with 12,000/year and nothing down. I have a car allowance for work and they require us to get new vehicles every 5 years or if our car has over 75,000 miles - so I have no incentive to purchase. I have a 50 mile roundtrip commute to the office and have to drive up to Los Angeles a couple times a month for work, so I am easily driving over 1,000 miles a month.

- My monthly lease is $484/month. My previous lease for a Hyundai Sonata was nearly $400/month
- I am saving over $200/month in gas (price per gallon is about $4.00 right now)
- My electric bill went down $20/month even though my consumption went up 20% since I signed up for SDGE's EV plan that only charges me $0.09/kWh during super off peak times (12-6AM during the week and 12AM-2PM on the weekends). This saves us more money as we run our ceiling fans all night and time our laundry on the weekends.
- Little to no maintenance or oil change costs - just need to rotate the tires every 7,500 miles and fill up the windshield wiper fluid

None of these savings includes the California State incentive ($2,500 and carpool lane sticker). The leasing company keeps the Federal incentive and passes very little down to the leasers.

And despite all these savings, it is the most fun car I've ever driven. The thing is a blast.

How ‘right wing’ became the smear for those we disagree with

Funny, because the Latin/Old Italian word for left is "sinister." Sinister literally means "left."

HeadSet says

How ‘right wing’ became the smear for those we disagree with

Funny, because the Latin/Old Italian word for left is "sinister." Sinister literally means "left."

As "adroit" is from the French "a droit" or "on the right" or "adroit" = handy, skillful, clever.

"Gauche" literally means left in French, but for English speakers it means dorky, ungainly, gawky. etc.