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1   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2019 Apr 17, 9:51am  

It is fucking nuts that they are not respected as Doctors. Yet Doctors defer any Mouth issues to your Dentist.

During a check a couple weeks ago, my Doctor while he was looking in my mouth. Said, I was just looking at glands and such, for any Teeth issues you should check out your Dentist. While giving me the inch of medicine is worth a pound of cure spiel.

I said, but I thought Doctors like you are the first to say, they aren't real Doctors?

This Doctor is a real Wise ass I'm going to get another one.
2   Ceffer   2019 Apr 17, 11:56am  

Heh, Heh! I think Tov hates dentists more than realtors.
3   zzyzzx   2019 Apr 17, 12:04pm  

Ceffer says
Heh, Heh! I think Tov hates dentists more than realtors.


Most dentist are crooks.
4   zzyzzx   2019 Apr 17, 12:53pm  

Lund not only gave his patients superfluous crowns; he also tended to replace them every five years—the minimum interval of time before insurance companies will cover the procedure again.

That's why I no longer go to this place:
https://bethesdafamilydentistry.com/
5   Ceffer   2019 Apr 17, 1:58pm  

zzyzzx says
Most dentist are crooks.


Well, the public wanted to open up the flood gates to health professionals from all over the world on the theory that it would make things cheaper. It just succeeded in making everything more expensive and lowering standards, because in overcrowded professions, everybody has to pay the same overhead with thinning profit margins.

The public got what it wanted, so welcome to third world ethics in medicine and dentistry. You aren't a patient or a client, you are just a conduit to whatever money faucet you represent.
6   B.A.C.A.H.   2019 Apr 17, 3:48pm  

zzyzzx says

That's why I no longer go to this place:


Yeah. It's also why I quit my dentist. No doubt, up to her eyeballs in debt to buy the practice from my old retired dentist, living in a gated community in Morgan Hill, driving a massive expensive SUV with tinted windows, kid in private K-12, spouse an "internet entrepreneur".

Sketchy/scammy billing practices. Year after year, telling me I had an urgent need to replace that big old filling, with a crown. Every year I told her, good idea. We'll do it when the filling or the tooth breaks.

Always had my exams during the end of year holiday time.

Then, out of the blue, one July, the insurance company sent me a notice saying they'd authorized that crown she so coveted. Already had enough with the sketchy billing practices, then this.

I'd had enough. No dentist was going to have a profit motive on me any more. Started going to the University of California Dental School instead. The students don't get paid for procedures. I even told one of the students, straight to her face, "OK fine. You can do the crown, but it better not be to pay for your BMW." She told me, right in front of the professor, that they don't get paid to perform the procedures, "we have to pay to be here".

Even though they are not paid for performing the procedures, like those in the field, the students can be aggressive. It's not the money they covet, it's the practice they get performing the procedures. Two different times I had students argue with their professors about unnecessary procedures, right in front of my face, like Hermione Granger Smarty-Pants, "besides, Professor, he has double insurance." But the professors prevailed. They sign off beforehand on every procedure, so the student cannot perform without their sign-off. Afterwards, they review and critique the student's work. One time, I had a professor demonstrate a procedure a diagnostic technique on me, then work together with the student to perform the procedure.

Fortunately for the students, from what I observe many of the patients are indigent street folk of SF, a "treasure trove" of dental problems for those students to "cut their teeth" on. If you don't park your vehicle in the attached garage, but instead along the curb down Hermann Street, you'll see these people living on the sidewalk under their cardboard. Just watch your step while walking.
7   tovarichpeter   2019 Apr 17, 4:17pm  

Ceffer says
zzyzzx says
Most dentist are crooks.


Well, the public wanted to open up the flood gates to health professionals from all over the world on the theory that it would make things cheaper. It just succeeded in making everything more expensive and lowering standards, because in overcrowded professions, everybody has to pay the same overhead with thinning profit margins.

The public got what it wanted, so welcome to third world ethics in medicine and dentistry. You aren't a patient or a client, you are just a conduit to whatever money faucet you represent



Actually it is extremely difficult for dentists from other countries to practice in the U.S. and not much easier for physicians from other countries to practice. The protectionism afforded physicians and dentists is in very sharp contrast to the complete lack of protection afforded U.S. workers by our trade agreements and one of the major criticisms of these trade agreements.

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