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Maduro out as President


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2019 Jan 23, 3:14pm   1,915 views  28 comments

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Deposed by the Assembly after refusing to recognize the Assembly.

The US recognizes Guaido, appointed by the Assembly of Venezuela, as the interim President.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-23/trump-said-to-intend-to-recognize-guaido-as-venezuela-president

"But that wasn't REAL Socialism"

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1   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2019 Jan 23, 3:32pm  

Then Maduro gave Americans 72 hours to get out of the Country. We'll see...
2   theoakman   2019 Jan 23, 3:45pm  

According to many, the only real socialism is the Nordic countries that believe in private ownership of business.
3   anonymous   2019 Jan 27, 5:18pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
The US recognizes Guaido, appointed by the Assembly of Venezuela, as the interim President.


Perhaps a good idea we try fixing what is amiss here before suggesting to others how to fix their problems but oil is oil now isn't it ?

And in the "who says crime doesn't pay ? " department...a real "prince" of a man

Foreign policy hawk Elliott Abrams joins Trump administration as Venezuela envoy. Elliott Abrams, a foreign policy hawk who worked in both the Reagan and Bush administrations, joined the Trump administration on Friday as a special envoy for Venezuela, as the U.S. ramps up pressure on embattled President Nicolas Maduro to step down.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/01/25/elliott-abrams-joins-trump-administration-venezuela-envoy/2681170002/

We be doing some serious swamp draining now huh ?
4   RWSGFY   2019 Jan 27, 5:27pm  

If Maduro is thrown out Russia stands to lose about $17-20 billions.
5   anonymous   2019 Jan 27, 5:30pm  

In reality no one really gives a rat's ass about the people of Venezuela. Its all about the oil and regional influence and we have a storied history of fucking things up in Central and South America amongst other parts of the world to ensure the countries have "democracy" but only as long as it is our type of democracy and pays big dividends to the corporate interests back here.

Then people here in the U.S. wonder why there are caravans of people heading north after some of this countries adventures in the region.
6   RWSGFY   2019 Jan 27, 5:32pm  

Kakistocracy says
Perhaps a good idea we try fixing what is amiss here before suggesting to others how to fix their problems but oil is oil now isn't it ?


Business News
November 24, 2018 / 11:23 AM / 2 months ago
Exclusive: Rosneft's Sechin flies to Venezuela, rebukes Maduro over oil shipments

WASHINGTON/MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - The head of Russian oil company Rosneft (ROSN.MM), Igor Sechin, flew to Caracas this week to meet Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro and complain over delayed oil shipments designed to repay loans, two sources briefed on the conversation said on Saturday.

The visit, which was not publicly disclosed, is one of the clearest signs of strain between crisis-stricken Venezuela and its key financier Russia.

Over the last few years, Moscow has become Venezuela’s lender of last resort, with the Russian government and Rosneft handing Venezuela at least $17 billion in loans and credit lines since 2006, according to Reuters calculations.

State oil company PDVSA is repaying almost all of those debts with oil, but a meltdown in its oil industry has left it struggling to fulfill obligations.

....

Top financier China, which has ploughed more than $50 billion into Venezuela, also gets reimbursed in oil.

....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-venezuela-exclusive/exclusive-rosnefts-sechin-flies-to-venezuela-rebukes-maduro-over-oil-shipments-idUSKCN1NT0TJ

So, if Maduro regime is indeed deposed both Russia and China will get substantive kick in the groin. (evil cackle)
7   anonymous   2019 Jan 27, 5:35pm  

You got it - but then again Exxon Mobil got slapped around by the government there and they are still smarting over that one.

Everyone wants their investment dollars protected and the hell with the people - that is the cover story and it looks good - doesn't it

We don't give a damn anymore than the Chinese or Russians - just get that oil come hell or high water and worry about the rest later...

We have more than enough on our plate right now "nation building" "democracy installing" Boogey man fighting to get involved in another part of the world and yet threats keep showing up here and there about sending our military in there.

There is steady concern on the U.S. Gulf Coast which relies on the crude from Venezuela. To date Mexico has picked up the slack but an embargo could be problematic since some of those refineries are dependent on that particular grade of crude.
8   RWSGFY   2019 Jan 27, 5:43pm  

Kakistocracy says
Everyone wants their investment dollars protected and the hell with the people


Maduro's regime is "the hell with the people" in its purest form. People of "Venezuela with Exxon" were 10000% better off than people of "Venezuela with Rosneft".
9   anonymous   2019 Jan 27, 5:47pm  

Lots of moving parts in this game right now - cause and effect, action and reaction.

The bullshit with Exxon Mobil goes back to 2008 and before.

Our entire foreign policy is always tied in some fashion to oil.
10   anonymous   2019 Jan 27, 5:52pm  

HEYYOU says
"That's our oil over there!"


Too bad the Russians and the Chinese think the same along with the Venezuleans
11   Ceffer   2019 Jan 27, 5:54pm  

INVADE!
Isn't dere dat oil over dere?
12   anonymous   2019 Jan 27, 5:55pm  

Ceffer says
INVADE!


Please do not give any ideas to anyone in Washington - they can dream up enough stupid shit on their own
14   Booger   2019 Jan 27, 6:23pm  

DASKAA says
Top financier China, which has ploughed more than $50 billion into Venezuela, also gets reimbursed in oil.


So China is going to get it, with no lube!
15   HeadSet   2019 Jan 27, 6:25pm  

Kakistocracy says


Then people here in the U.S. wonder why there are caravans of people heading north after some of this countries adventures in the region.


Now that is rich. Thousands have been fleeing Venezuela DAILY for quite some time, and it has nothing to do with US or Exxon-Mobile. Sour grapes that your Socialist darling failed.
16   kt1652   2019 Jan 27, 6:28pm  

I am no supporter of Maduro or any socialist regime.

Would somebody explain to me why there are 45 US military bases circled around Iran if it is not about oil?
"Alan Greenspan, the consummate Washington insider and long-time head of the US central bank, has backed the position taken by many anti-war critics - that the invasion of Iraq was motivated by oil.
His claim comes in his newly published autobiography, The Age of Turbulence, in which he also castigates George Bush's administration for making "grave mistakes" in economic policy."
17   HeadSet   2019 Jan 27, 6:34pm  

Would somebody explain to me why there are 45 US military bases circled around Iran if it is not about oil?

Hopefully, this concern about oil merely a legacy issue. With Trump pushing us to energy independence, then withdrawing from Syria and talk about withdrawing from Afghanistan, I hope to see a trend toward pulling out of the Middle East entirely. Let all those mystic mad men fight among themselves.
18   anonymous   2019 Jan 27, 6:46pm  

HeadSet says
Trump pushing us to energy independence


Hope you are not counting heavily on oil from fracking as part of that. The article below focuses on the financials - there is no shortage of others including on here that are or have covered the sharp drop off in production after a short time, competing with others for water, environmental damage/concerns.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Trouble-In-Paradise-For-US-Frackers.html
19   RWSGFY   2019 Jan 27, 6:51pm  

Kakistocracy says
HeadSet says
Trump pushing us to energy independence


Hope you are not counting heavily on oil from fracking as part of that. The article below focuses on the financials - there is no shortage of others including on here that are or have covered the sharp drop off in production after a short time, competing with others for water, environmental damage/concerns.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Trouble-In-Paradise-For-US-Frackers.html


Yawn: Russia and various groups paid by them have been spreading this kind of shit for years. In meantime, the fracking industry is marching on...
20   HeadSet   2019 Jan 27, 6:51pm  

Hope you are not counting heavily on oil from fracking as part of that. The article below focuses on the financials - there is no shortage of others including on here that are or have covered the sharp drop off in production after a short time.

Your article completely overlooked fracking's effect on natural gas. Natural gas that can replace oil in power plants.
21   RWSGFY   2019 Jan 27, 6:53pm  

Kakistocracy says
Our entire foreign policy is always tied in some fashion to oil.


Another familiar line from Russian outlets.
22   NDrLoR   2019 Jan 27, 6:54pm  

DASKAA says
we have a storied history of fucking things up in Central and South America
That implies they're not fucked up already
24   anonymous   2019 Jan 28, 4:59pm  

Refineries, investors fear crude shortages over possible Venezuela sanctions

In October 2018, the United States imported about 17.7 million barrels of crude oil and petroleum, according to the Energy Information Administration.

"With the possibility of a Trump oil sanction [on Venezuela], [U.S.] Gulf Coast refiners that depend on heavy crude may have to look elsewhere," James Williams, energy economist at WTRG Economics, told Marketwatch.

Phil Flynn, senior market analyst at Price Futures Group, said the situation "could lead to a war."

Under Hugo Chavez, who was Venezuela's president from 1999 to 2013 and predecessor to Maduro, production dropped by about two-thirds.

White House officials earlier this month warned U.S. refiners to seek alternative sources of heavy crude.

https://www.upi.com/Energy-News/2019/01/24/Refineries-investors-fear-crude-shortages-over-possible-Venezuela-sanctions/2111548340367/?ts_eng=22
25   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Jan 28, 5:23pm  

Then Maduro needs to buy that one way ticket to Havana, Stat.
26   anonymous   2019 Feb 6, 7:53am  

Every now and then the US establishment gives Donald Trump a surprise ovation. Mr Trump’s missile attack on Syria’s regime in early 2017 was the first instance. His all-measures-short-of-war declaration against Venezuela’s Nicolás Maduro on Wednesday is the latest.

Each showed Mr Trump as capable of adopting a traditional US foreign policy stance. In Syria’s case, Mr Trump acted in the name of human rights after Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons on his own people. With Venezuela, Mr Trump is backing the rule of law against Mr Maduro’s rigged re-election. “Thank you, Mr President,” tweeted Jeb Bush.

The danger lies in Mr Trump’s follow-up. Almost two years since the US launched tomahawks at Syria, Mr Assad is more firmly entrenched than ever — and Mr Trump is set to withdraw America’s 2,000 remaining troops. He quickly lost patience for the Syria chess game. Venezuela poses a different problem. The dangers of an open civil war between supporters of Juan Guaidó, the opposition leader, and self-declared “interim president”, and Mr Maduro’s armed forces are real. Mr Trump is now committed to Mr Guaidó’s victory.

Much hinges on whether Venezuela’s armed forces can be persuaded to heed Mr Trump’s call to follow Mr Guaidó’s orders. If they do not, Mr Maduro could adopt an Assad-style posture of digging in and calling Mr Trump’s bluff. At which point he would be put to the test. In 2017, Mr Trump said he would not rule out a “military option, if necessary” against Mr Maduro’s regime. “We have troops all over the world in places that are very, very far away,” Mr Trump said. “Venezuela is not very far away.” Some might call it Mr Trump’s “Monroe doctrine” by which US treats the western hemisphere as its exclusive back yard.

But those cheering Mr Trump’s new-found zeal for overseas democracy should bear in mind three caveats.

The first is that Mr Trump is selective. He has shown scant interest in speaking up for human rights or democracy in other parts of the world, such as Myanmar, Sudan and China. Nor does the Monroe exception apply: Mr Trump has been as oblivious to rigged elections and human rights abuses in Guatemala and Honduras in the western hemisphere as anywhere else. But why look a gift horse in the mouth? If Mr Trump is selectively doing the right thing, it is surely better than never at all. The problem is that it makes him even less predictable. Either these principles are universal, or they are not. Mr Trump has yet to explain on what basis he takes decisions.

Which brings up the second caveat. Mr Trump is heavily influenced by Cuban-Americans and Venezuelan exiles in Florida. Many rub shoulders with him at his “winter White House” in Mar-a-Lago. Most of Venezuela’s financial elites have long since fled the country, along with a tenth of its overall population. Many exiles bought up condo units in various Florida Trump properties. It is impossible to draw a line between Mr Trump’s business ties and his support for democratic norms in Venezuela. But it is worth stressing that he has consistently spoken up for freedom in just three countries — Cuba, Iran, and Venezuela. For one reason or another, these are in a separate category to the rest of the world. The fact that refugees from Guatemala and Honduras tend to be poor, while the Venezuelans he meets in Florida are not, might have something to do with it.

The third is that Mr Trump is in a brewing constitutional showdown of his own. While he was making his Venezuela statement on Wednesday, Mr Trump was in a tense stand-off with Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the House, who is refusing to invite him to deliver the annual State of the Union address next week. Mr Trump’s US government shutdown is now in its 34th day. It hinges on his ultimatum of funding a border wall to shut out refugees and migrants from some of America’s decidedly undemocratic near neighbours.Mr Trump’s Venezuela gamble thus comes at an interesting moment. It puts him on the right side of Washington’s foreign policy community and most of the world. The rest of the hemisphere, including Canada, promptly followed Mr Trump’s suit — and almost word for word.

Few doubt that Mr Maduro is a pariah who deserves to be thrown out of power.

The irony is that, on any other day of the week, many would say the same of Mr Trump.

https://www.ft.com/content/ef7f8ade-1f63-11e9-b2f7-97e4dbd3580d
27   HeadSet   2019 Feb 6, 7:59am  

Let me summarize the above post:

Maduro is a Putin supported stooge, and Trump's recognition of Guaidó as the legitimate President of Venezuela hurt Russia's investment in Maduro.
28   anonymous   2019 Feb 24, 2:00am  

Trump Confirms All Violent Options On The Table In Venezuela

In an effort to remain as objective as possible when considering ways of addressing the ongoing crisis, President Trump told reporters Tuesday that he was leaving all violent options on the table in Venezuela.

“If America’s interests are threatened anywhere in the world, the U.S. retains the right to use every brutal means it has at its disposal, whether that’s using drone strikes or chemical weapons, or just carpet bombing hospitals,” said the president, adding that he would not rule out addressing Venezuela’s instability with ground forces, unilateral bombings, or propping up a death squad in the rainforest that kidnaps and tortures civilians.

“Obviously, we’re looking very seriously at the more traditional response of a bloody coup. But my advisors are also thinking up some creative solutions like detonating a nuke in the center of Caracas. It’s all worth discussing to find the best way to maximize casualties.”

At press time, the White House released a follow-up statement announcing that all nonviolent options had been tabled except for starving the Venezuelan people through a few more sanctions.

https://politics.theonion.com/trump-confirms-all-violent-options-on-the-table-in-vene-1832729737

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