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TRUMP REVS UP FOR MIDTERMS AVERAGING 83 LIES IN A DAY

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WaPo: Trump had 1,100 lies, mistruths in 7 weeks

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/02/politics/donald-trump-lies/index.html

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28   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Nov 5, 12:08am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The $400,0o0 is actually an added cost. Rather than just keep the current embassy (not in Jerusalem) until a new one is built, they're going to add 400K and the moving costs on , on to whatever the cost of the new embassy is, by having a temporary one in Jerusalem. . Trump spins this into a somewhat typical Trumpian fantasy, that I don't believe he believes, and yes it's false on so many levels.
29   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 5, 12:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Is it temporary or not ?


Is the Embassy Open and Functional?
30   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Nov 5, 12:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Does anyone really wonder how Nazi Germany was possible ? We aren't in anything close to catastrophic econoomic conditions. In fact supposedly these are the best of times. And yet we have a significant portion of the population that will argue that the sky isn't blue, if Trump tell them it's not.
31   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 5, 12:16am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Does anyone really wonder how Nazi Germany was possible ? We aren't in anything close to catastrophic econoomic conditions. In fact supposedly these are the best of times. And yet we have a significant portion of the population that will argue that the sky isn't blue, if Trump tell them it's not.



"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"

Was that a lie?
32   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Nov 5, 12:19am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
marcus says
Is it temporary or not ?


Is the Embassy Open and Functional?


Irrelevant. If it's temporary and the expensive one is still planned, then it's a lie to say that he did this instead of the new one, saving a billion dollars.

How is adding to the cost of a new embassy, the cost of a temporary one located closer to where the new one will be, until the new one is built, a reduction in the cost of the new one ? What's so great about it ? It's a renovated space for them to move their offices.

By the way, if they didn't build the temporary one, and stuck with the current one, not in Jerusalem, until the new one was built, it would have continued functioning that entire time, without spending the additional $400K which surely was more than that including moving costs etc.
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33   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Nov 5, 12:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"

Was that a lie?


Yes. But it's not even as bad as the 10th worst lie TRump tells on any given day.

Although it's hard to know the degree to which Obama believed it to be true, I think he thought it was true for an even bigger majority of people than it was true for (i.s. most people with plans through their employers). So I think saying that was reassuring people who weren't affected that they wouldn't be affected.

I'm pretty sure that when questioned on it, he even elaborated that he meant most people. But again, maybe it ended up being a smaller majority than he thought it would be.

What do you think will be that one lie that democrats will look back on Trump saying ? What will be that one worst example of Trump lying ? CBOE is right. They won't have "ONE."

I guess infinite lies is sort of the same as no lies. Trump never lies.
34   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Nov 5, 12:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
And yet we have a significant portion of the population that will argue that the sky isn't blue, if Trump tell them it's not.


We have a significant portion of the population who have #orangemanbad on their brains from fake news media.

Cant even discuss Trumps "lies".

marcus says
SO I finally give CBOE what he's been asking for for months, although I guess it was in response to Quigley rather than him. He's asked me to defend that any of the lies reported on WaPo really are lies.

Just an observation, you can conclude what you want. Rather than even attempt to dispute my argument, we get this.


You are lying. Perhaps lying to yourself but still lying.

Lol ok so after months you decide to plant your flag on the embassy issue?

Ok, see Quigley's response. It is appropriate to give perspective to what Trump is saying. It is #orangemanbad logic to claim Trump is some huge liar for saying it.
35   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Nov 5, 6:17am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

CBOEtrader says
Ok, see Quigley's response.


Quigley didn't respond to my response.

It's true about the 83 lies. I didn't plant my flag. Quigley chose among the 83 lies, presumably some that he thought were silly, or perhaps he chose random ones. I argued why they are lies.

Trump really does lie almost constantly.

Anyone that totally denies it is possibly even more of a liar.
36   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2018 Nov 5, 6:21am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

LastMan says
BTW, when is the last time you had to show ID to buy groceries?

When was the last time you bought groceries with a SNAP card or put it on your Credit card?
37   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Nov 5, 6:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

CBOEtrader says
Cant even discuss Trumps "lies".


My instinct to not get in to the details of discussing them has been proven right, the times I did.

The remarkable thing is the existence of people that are happy to argue any one of trumps infinite lies are not in a lie.

Just take that in for a moment. How can a full grown adult not know what a fact is ? And not know what a statement contradicting a fact is ?

How did we get here ?
38   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 5, 6:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Irrelevant. If it's temporary and the expensive one is still planned, then it's a lie to say that he did this instead of the new one, saving a billion dollars.


It’s not irrelevant. Everything in this entire world is temporary including you and me. Entire civilizations have been built on temporary things and structures. Plans for the future may or may not materialize, and can’t be counted upon until they do. You’re the one who looks like a fool counting on things that have been promised for thirty years without any action. Trump takes action, makes it happen, and it’s done. Whether or not the embassy gets an upgrade or moves again will probably depend on who is President six years from now. Because it’s going to be Trump again in 2020. I’m right about that like ive been right about so many of the same things you’ve gotten terribly terribly wrong.
39   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Nov 5, 6:58am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

CBOEtrader says
You are lying. Perhaps lying to yourself but still lying.


Please elaborate on where I lied. Was it my observation that after begging me to choose a lie for months, that when I finally did argue for a second time at least on this forum why one of Trump's lies was a lie, all you had was adhominem ?
40   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Nov 5, 6:58am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Anyone that totally denies it is possibly even more of a liar.


This is #orangemanbad logic.

I heard him tell a crowd "I have more indian DNA and o have zero".

This is a mathematically incorrect statement. Do you fall Trump a liar for communicating like this?
41   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Nov 5, 7:00am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Was it my observation that after begging me to choose a lie for months, that when I finally did argue for a second time at least on this forum why one of Trump's lies was a lie, all you had was adhominem ?


I replied to constant refusal to respond. If at some point you replied and have an argument, please summarize your argument here for us.
42   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 5, 7:01am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
The lie is his denying he called the media the enemy. He did. He says no, it's the fake news media. To him that's what ? Everyone but Fox news ? He calls the entire media the fake news media when they are reporting something he doesn't like.


Trump has license to quote himself if anyone does. To say he’s lying about this is nonsensical when the truth is so easily divined from a simple search. Quibbling about the definition of “fake news media” is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, as the ship goes down while CNN screams that “everything would be fine if we just blew up the iceberg that rammed us!”
43   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Nov 5, 7:06am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Trump in early 2018:

“They put an order in front of my desk last week for a billion dollars. I said, ‘A billion? What’s that for?’ ‘We’re going to build an embassy.’ I said, ‘We’re not going to spend a billion dollars.’ And we’re actually doing it for about $250,000. So check that out. Now, it’s temporary, but it’ll be very nice. Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars versus a billion dollars. Is that good?”

That's is what he said earlier. In this statement, the main lie here is the billion dollar order they put on his desk. More likely it was a meeting where they discussed possibilities, and came up with the "interim" plan.

May have thought he'd let that spending happen under the next guy since he's already jacking the deficit up so much.
44   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 5, 7:12am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Quigley chose among the 83 lies, presumably some that he thought were silly, or perhaps he chose random ones.


You are welcome to choose your own daily lie from the site. I just chose several WaPo lies at random from the 29th of October.
45   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 5, 7:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
That's is what he said earlier.


That’s being remarkably consistent for a POTUS! Say what you want of the man, but he does strive to keep his promises, unlike any other POTUS I’ve ever seen.
46   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2018 Nov 5, 7:14am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
trumps infinite lies

Is this a lie or Trumpian hyperbole?

TDS is real!
47   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 5, 7:35am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Herdingcats says
He could have saved us $1.004 billion if he didn't move the embassy. Not to mention the tarrifs that were put on farmers by India for making the move in the first place!


Just because you’re right about this doesn’t make his statement a LIE. That’s the subject of this thread. Are all of Trump’s quoted statements on WaPo’s “Fact Checker” actually LIES or is the source hopelessly biased and lying themselves?
48   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2018 Nov 5, 7:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Herdingcats says
I've used my credit card several times over the last few years and can't remember the last time I e been asked to show ID. Now I draw pictures on the screen when it asks for my signature. Even in other countries I don't get asked to show ID, at least at grocery stores. Hotels, though, do ask for ID but then again they ask for everyones ID not just the card holders.


Well good for you, you patronize companies that know you.

Look to stretch this and say Trump is lying for saying you have to show your ID to buy groceries, is just sour grapes on the Bitter Liberal's part.

It's Plausible and to say it isn't is just being dishonest, just for the sake of calling Trump a Liar.
Even to get the SNAP card they have to show up at the Libby Place and stand in line and show some form of Identification.
And depending on who is at the cash register when you are checking out, if you select Credit option on your debit card, they will ask you for you ID.
It's happened to me several times at Publix. They wont do it if you select Debit.

It's Plausible quit being dishonest with yourself.
49   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 5, 8:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Why do we need something “so nice and grand” in every fucking country of the world? A billion here and a billion there, multiplied by 206 nations of the world and you wind up owing some real money! And that’s just for embassies! How about all the other stuff we do? Saving money and controlling spending is important. The GOP has been horrible on this point. As have been the Democrats, so no bragging rights go to anyone.

I don’t believe Trump had the political stroke to correct the budget for the past couple of years. He’s as embattled as a POTUS could ever be, with the entire media, entertainment industry, education industry, most of the elites, all the entrenched bureaucracy, and various and sundry activist groups against him from the start. It will be interesting to see what he does when he finishes consolidating power. I think the second four years will get a lot done. Even the next two should be quite productive since the Midterms are going to be a massive validation of the MAGA Movement!
50   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 5, 8:35am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Irrelevant. If it's temporary and the expensive one is still planned, then it's a lie to say that he did this instead of the new one, saving a billion dollars.


Has the money been appropriated yet?
51   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 5, 8:37am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
“They put an order in front of my desk last week for a billion dollars. I said, ‘A billion? What’s that for?’ ‘We’re going to build an embassy.’ I said, ‘We’re not going to spend a billion dollars.’ And we’re actually doing it for about $250,000. So check that out. Now, it’s temporary, but it’ll be very nice. Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars versus a billion dollars. Is that good?”


Oh, so he clarified it was termporary, and he got the embassy open now instead of later for a billion.

So it's definitely not a lie.
52   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 5, 8:40am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Herdingcats says
So shouldn't you be pissed that he decided to move it? What a fucking waste of money, right?


I can’t manage a sense of outrage about every little thing the government does without my approval. It isn’t healthy and I have a better life to live.
53   NDrLoR   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 5, 8:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Quigley says
I can’t manage a sense of outrage about every little thing the government does without my approval. It isn’t healthy and I have a better life to live.
That's what I've responded to another malcontent: some people actually have lives.
54   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2018 Nov 5, 9:09am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Herdingcats says
The biggest point of trump saying this, isn't the lie, it's how out of touch he is with his base. Apparently they don't care.


Oh Trump mispoke or overstated something, I better vote in the Socialist Democrats, that publicly loathe me and my Race, and when they are in power so gleefully create policy and legislature that disenfranchises me at every turn. The same bastards that replaced everyone that works in Local and Federal Government with brown socialists or white Liberals that identifies as Brown Socialist, that even there they look to fuck me every way they can.

Now ask yourself, why in the FUCK would I give Three fucking SHITS about Trump misspeaking and pissing you off and damaging your Fragile feelings?
Can you please elaborate more on that? Because I'm having a hard time justifying how a few statements you disagree with, should be reason for me to vote against my best interest and the destruction of this country.

Why would I want to be replaced by Mexican and African refugees in the Home, on the Job, in Education, and Electoral Powers?

You make no sense at all. Please stop talking nonsense.
55   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2018 Nov 5, 9:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tenpoundbass says
Herdingcats says
The biggest point of trump saying this, isn't the lie, it's how out of touch he is with his base. Apparently they don't care.


Oh Trump mispoke or overstated something, I better vote in the Socialist Democrats, that publicly loathe me and my Race, and when they are in power so gleefully create policy and legislature that disenfranchises me at every turn. The same bastards that replaced everyone that works in Local and Federal Government with brown socialists or white Liberals that identifies as Brown Socialist, that even there they look to fuck me every way they can.

Now ask yourself, why in the FUCK would I give Three fucking SHITS about Trump misspeaking and pissing you off and damaging your Fragile feelings?
Can you please elaborate more on that? Because I'm having a hard time justifying how a few statements you disagree with, should be reason for me to vote against...
56   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 5, 9:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Herdingcats says
I don't know, did he build an embassy? I'm pretty sure all he has done it SET UP a TEMPORARY embassy. You do know the meaning of TEMPORARY?


Something that's meant to be replaced later, but is currently open and functional.

Therefore, instead of waiting who knows how long for a billion dollars, Trump opened an Embassy up for far, far less than that.

Congress already insisted on this move about 2 decades ago. But there are many Muslims and Black Nationalists in the Dem Base who don't want it, tough shit. Maybe they can fly to Israel and risk an IDF beat down when they vandalize it.

A Temporary Embassy is moving the Embassy, just like an field hospital opened in some tents or another building is a real hospital. It may not be the more expensive superduper state of the art hospital that might come down the road, but it's treating patients right now today.
57   rdm   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 5, 9:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Herdingcats says
his base. Apparently they don't care.


Proven by this thread. As Trump said, accurately, he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and they wouldn't care. Why would they care about a few thousand lies? The Trump cult is very strong, those not in it continue to engage in these sorts of conversations with the cultists because they don't understand the cultist mind, and cant relate to it and cant imagine how someone can see the world the way the cultists do. Will the cultists eventually see that the emperor has no clothes?
58   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 5, 9:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I think some are beginning to realize Tuesday may not be all they hoped for.
59   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2018 Nov 5, 9:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
Proven by this thread. As Trump said, accurately, he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and they wouldn't care.


Hypothetical Hyperbole.

But Liberals have proven that Hillary can Murder 83 people destroy 2 sovereign countries and the Liberals will call Trump a murder.
Funny that mother fuckers.
60   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 5, 9:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Herdingcats says
Kind of like Obama saying you can keep your doctor.


Uh, that was a bald faced lie.

"You can keep your doctor if you choose whatever the nearest new iteration of your old plan that will be far more expensive than it was, and your doctor is still on it."
61   Goran_K   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 5, 9:35am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Herdingcats says
What was wrong with the old one?


It was located in the wrong place.
62   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2018 Nov 5, 9:38am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Herdingcats says
I think Ron White said it best... "Can't fix stupid".


Sure you can, if you elect people like Donald Trump.
63   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 5, 10:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Obama promised to end the Patriot Act. He lied, and the Media helped him lie.

Obama promised to bring peace to the Middle East. He lied, and was instrumental in starting in starting Civil Wars in Syria and Libya. The Media helped him lie.

Obama promised that he'd ended the Iranian Nuclear Program. He lied, Iran's own internal memos show they intended to resume atomic bomb development the very moment the inspections ended a few years down the road. The Media helped him lie.

Obama promised he never paid ransoms for hostages. Iran did not return their hostages until the moment the first pallet of ObamaCash landed in Iran. The Media helped him lie.

Obama promised to expand childcare and dependent deductions. He never did, and "Accountability Journalism" didn't hold him accountable (since that only exists when a Republican is President).

Obama promised to end the income tax for seniors making less than $50k. He never did jack shit about it. And the media never held him accountable.

Obama promised to tax carried interest, and never did so nor did he make any moves towards doing so. Media never held him accountable.

Obama promised to life the payroll tax cap to help fund Social Security. He never did so nor made any moves towards doing so. Media never held him accountable.

Obama promised the "Most Transparent Adminsitration in History". To the contrary, he prosecuted more whistleblowers than any US President since WW1 and his administration was infamous for it's closed and grudging attitude towards requests for information. Media never held him accountable.

That's just the beginning. I haven't mentioned Privacy and Data Protection Standards (never happened because Big Tech loved and donated to Obama heavily), to the Transparent negotiation of the Affordable Care Act with Insurers on CSPAN (yes, the "Most Transparent" Obama regime actually promised this while campaigning), and a hundred other things.

Or his direction to Eric Holder to conduct surveillance on Journalists.... so many things.
64   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 5, 11:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
Will the cultists eventually see that the emperor has no clothes?


C’mon now! I like The President well enough, but nobody trying to see that shit!
Ok, Leftists want that. You and all the ones who painted nudes of Trump, made naked statues, drawings, sketches, whatever. You people are sick!
65   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2018 Nov 5, 11:37am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Quigley says
Ok, Leftists want that. You and all the ones who painted nudes of Trump, made naked statues, drawings, sketches, whatever. You people are sick!


The Liberals have given all opposition enough video and news of them doing and endorsing some of the most ville and disgusting shit, they wont be back in politics for decades to come. They will need to go as radical of a change as Trump did to the Bush Sr. empire.

Trump wiped his ass with 11 of most vile useless evil RINOs to become the Candidate.

A senior person in the Florida Republican Party told me "The Bush's are done, they wont be visible in politics ever again in the future. "

When the Democrats say the same about Hillary, Bernie, Booker, Pelosi, and DWS then they might stand a chance to be viable again.
66   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Nov 6, 7:08am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Oh, so he clarified it was termporary, and he got the embassy open now instead of later for a billion.

So it's definitely not a lie.


NO, that quote is from earlier, when he said it would cost 250K.

It was later that he claimed to save a $billion by only spending 400K, implying that that was the new embassy. THe fact that it was know to be "interim" all along doesn't make it less of a lie. In your face inconsistencies never stopped TRump from lying. In fact it's one of his trademarks.

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