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Killing of Saudi Journalist Khashoggi Could Spell the End for Mohammad bin Salman


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2018 Oct 13, 11:36am   4,610 views  31 comments

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https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/10/12/killing-saudi-journalist-khashoggi-could-spell-end-for-mohammad-bin-salman.html

During bin Salman’s campaign of repression, the King's nephew took the opportunity to attack all his opponents, with many people close to Khashoggi being arrested, tortured and killed. His old acquaintance in particular, Al-Waleed bin Talal, was arrested and tortured, much to the displeasure of the West, given that he was one of the most famous Saudis abroad, being involved with companies like Twitter. In a climax of repression, even the Lebanese prime minister, Saad Hariri, was kidnapped and spirited to Riyadh to be re-educated over a number of days. Khashoggi sensed the looming danger, and in 2017 escaped from Saudi Arabia to settle in the United States.

Khashoggi continued with his columns criticizing the Saudi regime, attacking its campaign in Yemen on Al Jazeera, and accusing bin Salman of being anything but a positive revolutionary for the Kingdom. Khashoggi’s criticism pointed to the lack of democracy as well as the sclerosis at the top in the Saudi kingdom, accusations that bin Salman chafed at, finally deciding to be rid of the journalist.


There is a $100B weapons deal put in jeopardy by this murder, and so we can expect it to be played down and denied by our own government.

If the US government believed its own rhetoric about democracy and freedom of speech or freedom of religion, it would not be selling weapons to the Saudis to begin with. The Saudis are nothing but a terror-sponsoring murderous mafia with a trillion dollars who murdered thousands of innocent Americans on 9/11. Selling them weapons is not a good idea.

We should expropriate all of their US assets as a non-violent payback for their extreme violence on 9/11.

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1   Patrick   2018 Oct 13, 11:58am  

Trump is at least making the right noises, though I'm skeptical that he will actually impose even the slightest sanctions on the Saudis, since the US has put up with their shit so long already:

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-vows-severe-punishment-if-U-S-determines-13304576.php

In excerpts of a new interview released Saturday morning, Trump said that the incident is being investigated and that the Saudis deny any involvement, despite the mounting evidence that the Saudi regime was implicated in Khashoggi's disappearance last week.

"Well, nobody knows yet, but we'll probably be able to find out," Trump said in the interview with Lesley Stahl of CBS's "60 Minutes," which will air in full Sunday night. "It's being investigated, it's being looked at very, very strongly. And we would be very upset and angry if that were the case. As of this moment, they deny it, and they deny it vehemently. Could it be them? Yes."

Trump added, "We're going to get to the bottom of it, and there will be severe punishment."
2   RC2006   2018 Oct 13, 12:01pm  

US wont do anything with a 100B deal in the works. SA is our enemy more than anyone else in the middle east but like everything else $ is king.
3   RC2006   2018 Oct 13, 12:30pm  

Supposedly his apple watch was synced to his phone that was out in his car with his gf and recorded him being tortured and killed, at least that's what the turks are saying now.
4   Patrick   2018 Oct 13, 12:40pm  

Looks like that might be possible, even though it sounds unlikely:

What is the range of Bluetooth 4.0?

Digging into this, I found that the distance of Bluetooth 4.0 can be up to 330 feet (100 meters) and sometimes more, BUT it can be much less, depending on many factors. Bluetooth uses radio waves (short-wavelength UHF to be exact) between 2.4 and 2.485 GHz in the ISM band. Long story short, that means that a Bluetooth signal can be interrupted by Wi-Fi signals, satellite dishes, certain external monitors, microwaves, bodies, certain electronics, etc.

So, how close do your Apple Watch and iPhone need to be in order for all of the Apple Watch features to work fully? Approximately 330 feet (100 meters) – more or less.


https://bradymower.com/apple-watch-connection-distance-iphone/
5   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 13, 1:21pm  

Patrick says
ith many people close to Khashoggi being arrested, tortured and killed. His old acquaintance in particular, Al-Waleed bin Talal,


Just a reminder, bin Talal was militantly anti-Trump and heavily financed the Clintons.

bin Talal accused the US of being partially responsible for 9/11

bin Talal funds pro-Wahabi departments all over the US, including a $20M donation for a think tank at Georgetown

bin Talal is the biggest single shareholder of Citigroup

bin Talal has been fingered in Terror Financing.

bin Talal is rumored to have had an interest in Obama at a young age and lobbied Harvard to take Obama and rumors are he paid for his education there.
6   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 13, 1:39pm  

Patrick says
There is a $100B weapons deal put in jeopardy by this murder, and so we can expect it to be played down and denied by our own government.


Especially since Jamal Khashoggi was the nephew of big Saudi Arms Dealer Adnan Khashoggi.
7   lostand confused   2018 Oct 13, 1:52pm  

This could be Turkey trying to screw things up-now that they are in chaos.
8   RWSGFY   2018 Oct 13, 3:44pm  

Is there any proof yet? So far all we've seen is "leaks" and ridiculous stories like " Saudis tried to unlock that guy's Apple watch with his dead finger", etc.

Remember, our even more dear friends - the fucking Russians - have long had a special place in their hearts for Saudis and it's most definitely not beneath them to stage something like this with the help of their new friends and gas business partners - the Turks.
9   bob2356   2018 Oct 13, 8:21pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Just a reminder, bin Talal was militantly anti-Trump and heavily financed the Clintons.

bin Talal accused the US of being partially responsible for 9/11

bin Talal funds pro-Wahabi departments all over the US, including a $20M donation for a think tank at Georgetown

bin Talal is the biggest single shareholder of Citigroup

bin Talal has been fingered in Terror Financing.

bin Talal is rumored to have had an interest in Obama at a young age and lobbied Harvard to take Obama and rumors are he paid for his education there.


We had spaghetti for dinner at our house twice this week.Certainly more relevant than anything above.

Ok I'll bite. How did a very rich saudi born, raised, and lived all his life in KSA come to have an interest in a black (especially with saudis being world class racists) community organizer in Chicago in order to lobby for harvard to take him and pay for his education. Did he know Obama was born in Kenya. Wow, it's the crook of the arm isn't it? No it's crisis actors. No wait, it's fake moon landings. No, it's the grassy knoll, that's it, the grassy knoll.

Christ this tin foil hat shit is really funny.
11   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 14, 1:31pm  

bob2356 says
Ok I'll bite. How did a very rich saudi born, raised, and lived all his life in KSA come to have an interest in a black (especially with saudis being world class racists) community organizer in Chicago in order to lobby for harvard to take him and pay for his education. Did he know Obama was born in Kenya. Wow, it's the crook of the arm isn't it? No it's crisis actors. No wait, it's fake moon landings. No, it's the grassy knoll, that's it, the grassy knoll.


Easy. In 1987, Ayers knew that radical Saudis wanted to fund Islamic Education So asked his friend Khaled al-Mansour, a Black Nationalist Islamist who co-founded the Saudi African Bank, the United African Bank, and several other companies, who was a financial advisor to bin Talal, to help him send more Black Radicals to Harvard. One of the names to be sponsored was Barak Hussein Obama; bin Talal contributed funds. One of the go betweens was Percy Sutton, another activist Black Nationalist.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/09/obama-camp-denies-sutton-story-011581

https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=2701308&privcapId=83485357

1979 Article from St. Petersberg Evening Independent:
https://citizenwells.com/2012/09/24/vernon-jarrett-will-arabs-back-ties-to-blacks-with-cash-november-6-1979-article-st-petersburg-evening-independent-dr-khalid-al-mansour-percy-sutton-corroboration/

BOB, you're given me an Hypothesis! Saudi Arabians did do 9/11 - but not the core leaders. It was the dissidents, rivals, and pretenders - Oligarchs in their own right, like Khashoggi and bin Talal.

Did you know Alaweed bin Talal's family members had also been involved in anti-Saud plots?
12   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 14, 1:46pm  

tovarichpeter says
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jamal-khashoggi-trump-congress-saudi-arabia-lobbying-arms-deals_us_5bc20a93e4b040bb4e82b65a


Wow, that's some serious propaganda, complete with the alleged starving babies.

Again, isn't the 180 turn by the "Deep State" Think Tankers and the Media very suspicious after decades of only the briefest, softest criticism of Saudi Arabia and that seldom expressed?

Isn't the speed in which the most die hard Neoliberal outlets - Bloomberg, the Economist, World Bank Executives, the NYT, WaPo - have leapt to boycotting and promoting this story pretty damned odd?

When was the last time you heard of these Neoliberal Shills boycotting anything from Saudi Arabia, much less an investor Conference?

By the way, his Fiance wasn't preparing to celebrate Khashoggi's "Birthday" because it's January 22nd, not in October
13   Strategist   2018 Oct 14, 3:31pm  

The Saudis have promised to retaliate if Trump places any sanctions on them.
Dear Stupid Saudis,
May I remind you, you would not last 2 weeks without our support.
Strategist
14   Strategist   2018 Oct 14, 5:50pm  

Saudis kill anyone who threatens their God Kingdom and lifestyle.
Kashoggi hit the headlines, but what about all those innocent people who got stoned to death and heads chopped off that no one ever heard of?
Are we ready to classify all Islamic shit holes that practice sharia laws as Human Rights Abusers, or do look the other way as usual?
15   bob2356   2018 Oct 14, 6:15pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Easy. In 1987, Ayers knew that radical Saudis wanted to fund Islamic Education So asked his friend Khaled al-Mansour, a Black Nationalist Islamist who co-founded the Saudi African Bank, the United African Bank, and several other companies, who was a financial advisor to bin Talal, to help him send more Black Radicals to Harvard. One of the names to be sponsored was Barak Hussein Obama; bin Talal contributed funds. One of the go betweens was Percy Sutton, another activist Black Nationalist.


Holy shit. Most people (ok almost all people) would believe that with the right wing echo chamber going after Obama for 9 years some one would have found the letter written to harvard or evidence of paying for obama's tuition. I guess the letter and records of payments got taken by aliens with crooks in their arms. No wait it's the grassy knoll, it's always the grassy knoll.

An organizer for a catholic church community group in chicago is considered a "black radical". ROFLOL. and how pray tell did the name of this "black radical" catholic church community organizer who attended the Trinity United Church of Christ get from Chicago to NY so black nationalist islamists could send him to harvard law for an islamic education? Seriously this is some really funny shit. Tell us more, tell us more. How many other christian "black radical" community organizers did Talai send to harvard law for an islamic education?

16   Patrick   2018 Oct 14, 6:15pm  

Strategist says
Are we ready to classify all Islamic shit holes that practice sharia laws as Human Rights Abusers, or do look the other way as usual?


The Onion was spot-on with a point and counterpoint on this issue years ago: https://politics.theonion.com/no-blood-for-oil-vs-exactly-how-much-oil-are-we-talkin-1819594284

No Blood For Oil
Susan Winger

Contrary to what he would have you believe, President Bush's plans to invade Iraq have nothing to do with such high-minded goals as liberating the Iraqi people or saving the world from terrorism. His "principled" stand is actually just a thinly veiled attempt to gain control of the oil-rich Middle East at the cost of human lives. It is time for the people of the United States to rise up and say, "No blood for oil!

Exactly How Much Oil Are We Talking About?
Kenneth W. Parton

I keep hearing the anti-war protesters chant, "No blood for oil! No blood for oil!" But what they never seem to say is exactly how much oil we're talking about. Don't you think that's pertinent information? Are we talking a gallon of oil for every 10 gallons of blood? Or is it more like 30 gallons of oil for every pint of blood? Because if it's the latter, maybe a blood-oil exchange would be a good idea.
17   bob2356   2018 Oct 14, 6:17pm  

Strategist says
Saudis kill anyone who threatens their God Kingdom and lifestyle.


That can't be true.twoscoops has assured us the KSA is now one of the most civilized and genteel places on earth.
18   Patrick   2018 Oct 14, 6:19pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Again, isn't the 180 turn by the "Deep State" Think Tankers and the Media very suspicious after decades of only the briefest, softest criticism of Saudi Arabia and that seldom expressed?


Maybe this is a case where blind irrational hatred for Trump, the core policy position of the left and the Democratic Party, could possibly be a good thing.

If we get at least a little bit of objective criticism about Saudi Arabia, that's infinitely better than what we had, which was absolute zero criticism of Saudi Arabia in the media and the government.
20   Strategist   2018 Oct 14, 6:59pm  

bob2356 says
Strategist says
Saudis kill anyone who threatens their God Kingdom and lifestyle.


That can't be true.twoscoops has assured us the KSA is now one of the most civilized and genteel places on earth.


Saudi Arabia WILL BE the most civilized and genteel places on earth, the moment we destroy their evil and horrible religion. As will be the case with every other Islamic country.
Remember, people are not born evil, religions like Islam make them evil.
21   Strategist   2018 Oct 14, 7:02pm  

tovarichpeter says
Jamie Dimon just canceled

Probably not a good time to buy Saudi stocks


It's NEVER a good time to buy Saudi stocks. They produce nothing that takes hard work or brains. They can't even dig a fucking hole to get the oil without outside help.
22   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 14, 8:46pm  

bob2356 says
An organizer for a catholic church community group in chicago is considered a "black radical". ROFLOL. and how pray tell did the name of this "black radical" catholic church community organizer who attended the Trinity United Church of Christ get from Chicago to NY so black nationalist islamists could send him to harvard law for an islamic education? Seriously this is some really funny shit. Tell us more, tell us more. How many other christian "black radical" community organizers did Talai send to harvard law for an islamic education?


Bob, newsflash: "Community Organizer" - somebody who gets unemployed welfare hos together to badge a business or organization - is almost always a Left WIng Radical.

Does anybody think my conflation of "Community Organizers" with the Left is "Tinfoil Hat"?
23   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 14, 8:47pm  

tovarichpeter says
Jamie Dimon just canceled


Very strange!

No boycott a few years ago when they were hanging gays and witches, eh?
Saudi woman beheaded for 'witchcraft and sorcery'
By Mohammed Jamjoom and Saad Abedine, CNN
Updated 1415 GMT (2215 HKT) December 14, 2011
https://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/13/world/meast/saudi-arabia-beheading/index.html

Anybody know which events the Economist, NYT, Bloomberg, etc. boycotted over that, the second witchcraft execution in just a few months?

Within weeks of breakthroughs in Women Driving, Being allowed to attend Events in person without a chaperone, etc., and all of a sudden Big Finance and Big Media is whipping up a frenzy.

Mighty Odd! Well, Trust Erdogan, whose record of protecting Journalists and pushing Free Speech and a Free Press is unsullied!
Turkey sentences 6 Journalists to Life
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/16/turkey-sentences-six-journalists-life-imprisonment-failed-coup
Another 24
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/world/europe/turkey-journalists-prison-terrorism.html

Way back in, oh, just a few months ago.

Well, Trust Erdogan! He stands up for Journalists!
24   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 14, 8:58pm  

Patrick says

Maybe this is a case where blind irrational hatred for Trump, the core policy position of the left and the Democratic Party, could possibly be a good thing.

If we get at least a little bit of objective criticism about Saudi Arabia, that's infinitely better than what we had, which was absolute zero criticism of Saudi Arabia in the media and the government.


I don't think we're getting that. I think Saudi Arabia is now seen as a Trump Ally and now must be destroyed.

We know the lead reporter that broke this story is Isokoff, a hard Left Journalist, and the victim is connected both to the Muslim Brotherhood, and somebody in prison for 23 years for financing the assassination of a Saudi Leader.

It's gone from no criticism to "Believe Erdogan's Claims!" and instant Boycotts by powerful institutions who barely acknowledged all the witchcraft and homosexual executions, and when they did, were as soft as possible

I see this a little differently, @Patrick.. Our CIA loved working with Islamist Radicals, has done so many times; Brennan is knee deep in that shit. A liberalizing Saudi Arabia is actually not good in their minds, and one that is working with Trump is definitely bad in their eyes.
25   Patrick   2018 Oct 14, 9:05pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Patrick says

... If we get at least a little bit of objective criticism about Saudi Arabia, that's infinitely better than what we had...


I don't think we're getting that. I think Saudi Arabia is now seen as a Trump Ally and now must be destroyed.


You're right. We're not getting objective criticism, we're getting more blind hate from the anti-Trump crowd. But in this case, it does align with my own opinion. Saudi Arabia is not a country we should even have diplomatic relations with, much less massive weapons contracts.
26   bob2356   2018 Oct 15, 12:32am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Bob, newsflash: "Community Organizer" - somebody who gets unemployed welfare hos together to badge a business or organization - is almost always a Left WIng Radical.


Prove it. Show the catholic church where obama worked and all the unemployed hos he got together.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Does anybody think my conflation of "Community Organizers" with the Left is "Tinfoil Hat"?


How many other christian community organizers did talai send to harvard law for islamic studies? I missed the answer to that somehow. .
27   bob2356   2018 Oct 15, 12:43am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I see this a little differently, @Patrick.. Our CIA loved working with Islamist Radicals, has done so many times; Brennan is knee deep in that shit. A liberalizing Saudi Arabia is actually not good in their minds, and one that is working with Trump is definitely bad in their eyes.


So now it's a deep state false flag operation by the CIA to shut down liberalization in KSA? How did they manage to run the operation inside the KSA embassy? Oh wait, he actually came out with his elbow crooked and the cia set up mirrors so that the cameras didn't record him leaving. Then the CIA grabbed him. Of course, it's all so obvious.now Damn these guys are good. Must be the same crew that took down the twin towers and faked the moon landings. .
28   Strategist   2018 Oct 15, 7:23am  

Pompeo leaving for Saudi Arabia immediately. Trump seems to be downplaying the role of the Saudis in the killing.
I'm convinced the Saudis dunnit. Trump does not want to jeopardize his alliance with them as he is thinking long term when it comes to controlling Islam. This will die down in a few months.
Move on folks, there are more important things to worry about, like what wine should we have this evening.
30   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 15, 1:40pm  

bob2356 says
So now it's a deep state false flag operation by the CIA to shut down liberalization in KSA? How did they manage to run the operation inside the KSA embassy? Oh wait, he actually came out with his elbow crooked and the cia set up mirrors so that the cameras didn't record him leaving. Then the CIA grabbed him. Of course, it's all so obvious.now Damn these guys are good. Must be the same crew that took down the twin towers and faked the moon landings. .


Not my point Bob.

Point is that some, including Brennan and others, believe that the Muslim Brotherhood can be a pathway to Democracy.

Remember the Arab Spring? Egypt's first elected government was all Muslim Brotherhood.

Ironically the same Liberal Egyptians that backed the revolution ended up supporting the Military Coup because MB won election.

Khashoogi is/was a member of the 0.1% in Saudi Arabia and an MB Member and connected to other MB members. His goal was to replace the Saudi Monarchy with MB friendly rulers.
31   Evan F.   2018 Oct 15, 1:53pm  

Strategist says
Saudi Arabia WILL BE the most civilized and genteel places on earth, the moment we destroy their evil and horrible religion. As will be the case with every other Islamic country.


Lol we can't even destroy Scientology, what makes you think Islam is ever going away

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