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WTF is the problem with Vaping

By MisdemeanorRebel follow MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Sep 24, 2:30pm 3,494 views   36 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      


Can somebody tell me why regulators are falling over themselves in a rush to ban vaping everywhere?

Something that's never been proven to cause harm via direct inhalation, much less second hand?

Thanks!
1   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 2:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Regulators are just trying to protect you from looking like a total douche, sucking on an oversized Duracell
2   socal2   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 24, 2:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Do-gooder Liberals want to manage every part of our lives.
3   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 2:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Do-gooder Liberals want to manage every part of our lives.

You mean the current administration? Wat

Anyway I thought the FDA had delayed requiring approval for e-cigs until 2022... But perhaps that's old info? Are there new regulations coming into place?
4   socal2   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 24, 2:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Prog Liberal cities seem to have the strictest vaping bans.

Where is Nanny Bloomberg when you need him?

- Manchester, New Hampshire
- Hawai’i, Hawaii
- New York City, NY
- Long Beach, California
https://www.eliquiduniverse.com/blogs/news/these-are-the-cities-with-the-strictest-vaping-laws
5   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 24, 2:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Weed vape? Or nicotine? Nicotine is a completely useless substance. This is coming from a former smoker. Honestly, regulate the fuck out of those explosive devices. And this is coming from someone that would probably fall in the libertarian camp on a lot of subjects.

NOTE: I'm not saying get rid of it. People are gonna people and find/use it. But it's completely useless even if there's verifiable evidence it causes no harm.
6   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 2:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
Honestly, regulate the fuck out of those explosive devices.

Agreed, who the hell knows what garbage is in those liquids. All this crap comes over from China... No regulations and your gonna end up with a melamine-in-baby-formula situation all over again.
7   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 24, 3:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says

There’s also the whole people who vape look like complete fucking toolbags


You probably mean the kind who spend hours and over $100 a week on their custom modded rig so they can blow out "sick clouds, bro." An exhaleable peacock tail.

"Normal" vapers blend right in with the nonsmokers.

I haven't bought actual buds for over 2 years. You don't realize how messy and smelly a habit smoking (pot, tobacco, whatever) is till you quit!
8   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 3:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
harm


NIcotine is an addictive vasoconstrictor that can cause serious medical problems on its own. In addition, the potentially flammable vaping liquid can contain other toxins. Vaping has reportedly caused serious burns, including fatalities. There is also no long term safety data regarding the lungs, and a friend IRL explained in detail why he suspects the vapor might prove even more harmful than smoke.

And, finally, vaping is commonly sold to schoolchildren, who are considered too young to decide whether to take all these risks. They choose vaping because they can conceal it more readily than smoking cigarettes in a bathroom, and because some are misled to believe it doesn't cause harm.

I lean libertarian and believe that if you want to poison yourself, that's your choice, but it would be incorrect to claim there is no harm associated with vaping.
10   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 24, 3:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Prog Liberal cities seem to have the strictest vaping bans.


I knew this would degenerate into weedhead whinging.

Unlike Weed, which involves the inhalation of burning things aka smoke all of which is proven harmful (yes, smoking weed increases your chances of getting cancer as does all smoke inhalation), vaping is really just food flavoring with possibly (not necessarily) some nicotine mixed in.

I wonder if Libby cities don't want to be deprived of cig taxes?
11   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 24, 3:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
I’m not knocking the THC vape pen cartridges, but it’s not the same.


Vapes are nice for weed in a concert setting. I prefer edibles and then flower. But vapes have there place as it's easy and concealable for the most part in a public setting (no lighter, etc).

Nicotine is straight garbage though. I've likely taken years off my life smoking cigs. Fucking bad choice, fortunately it was only 6-7 years (ouch that sucks writing that). I'm done for good now though. Top 5 hardest things to do in my life quitting those nasty bastards.
12   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 3:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
I wonder if Libby cities don't want to be deprived of cig taxes

Don't understand. You're the one whinging about vape bans. Wouldn't banning vapes eliminate any potential tax revenues from them? How about sensible regulation and taxation?
13   mell   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 24, 3:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's not all that clear cut - there are recent studies that show nicotine having brain-protecting properties. Whether it can outweigh the negatives though is unlikely in terms of smoking. However, weed mixed with tobacco simply tastes millions better than smoking pure weed. Also the problem with smoking is more that ingesting any type of vapor through the lungs is harmful, worst is probably wood smoke. If you do it in very moderation once in a while it's like with everything, sola dosis facit venenum.
14   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 24, 3:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
Don't understand. You're the one whinging about vape bans. Wouldn't banning vapes eliminate any potential tax revenues from them? How about sensible regulation and taxation?


Vape Juice isn't charged anything like cigarette taxes.
15   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 3:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Vape Juice isn't charged anything like cigarette taxes.

Okay but your original point was about vape bans, right? Again, how are 'Libby' cities gonna see any revenue from something that's banned?
16   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 4:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says

Nicotine is straight garbage though. I've likely taken years off my life smoking cigs.

That's all the nasty carcinogens in tobacco smoke. Nicotine, believe it or not, is NOT addictive and even has some nice properties.

Now comes nicotine, perhaps the most unlikely wonder drug ever to be reviled.

If dozens of human and animal studies published over the past six years are borne out by large clinical trials, nicotine — freed at last of its noxious host, tobacco, and delivered instead by chewing gum or transdermal patch — may prove to be a weirdly, improbably effective drug for relieving or preventing a variety of neurological disorders, including Parkinson’s disease, mild cognitive impairment (MCI), Tourette’s and schizophrenia. It might even improve attention and focus enough to qualify as a cognitive enhancer. And, oh yeah, it’s long been associated with weight loss, with few known safety risks. (Although, in truth, few safety studies of the increasingly popular e-cigarettes have yet been published.)

Nicotine? Yes, nicotine.

In fact, the one purpose for which nicotine has proven futile is the very same one for which it’s approved by the Food and Drug Administration, sold by pharmacies over the counter, bought by consumers and covered by many state Medicaid programs: quitting smoking. In January 2012, a six-year follow-up study of 787 adults who had recently quit smoking found that those who used nicotine replacement therapy in the form of a patch, gum, inhaler or nasal spray had the same long-term relapse rate as those who did not use the products. Heavy smokers who tried to quit without the benefit of counseling were actually twice as likely to relapse if they used a nicotine replacement product.

...
Perhaps most surprising is that, in studies by Boyd and others, nicotine has not caused addiction or withdrawal when used to treat disease. These findings fly in the face of nicotine’s reputation as one of the most addictive substances known, but it’s a reputation built on myth. Tobacco may well be as addictive as heroin, as some have claimed. But as scientists know, getting mice or other animals hooked on nicotine alone is dauntingly difficult.
17   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 5:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Unlike Weed, which involves the inhalation of burning things aka smoke
Edibles require no smoking and inhalation. And yes, smoking anything is bad for you. Even wood smoke from the campfire or fireplace. It's both a danger of inhaling micro particles which clog small blood vessels and a danger of inhaling toxic gases and chemicals, including the addictive nicotine.
18   mell   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 24, 5:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLefty says
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Unlike Weed, which involves the inhalation of burning things aka smoke
Edibles require no smoking and inhalation. And yes, smoking anything is bad for you. Even wood smoke from the campfire or fireplace. It's both a danger of inhaling micro particles which clog small blood vessels and a danger of inhaling toxic gases and chemicals, including the addictive nicotine.


Nicotine is the least - if at all - harmful substance in smoke. Cigarettes have far more worse crap in them than nicotine (which actually may be beneficial in some ways), that's why they're a bad deal.
19   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 5:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says

Nicotine....


is a vasoconstrictor with a range of effects. You are right that it can help cognition, but that comes at a heavy price. Smoking can cause circulatory problems including cardiovascular disease, stroke, and heart attacks. In males, it can cause erectile dysfunction. There is a well founded stereotype of the hyper-intellectual smoker, who lives for books and dies from smoking. An even larger number of idiots smoke too, of course, but that is because idiots always outnumber hyper-intellectuals.
20   MisterLefty   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 5:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Nicotine is the least
Very addictive.
21   mell   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 24, 5:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
mell says

Nicotine....


is a vasoconstrictor with a range of effects. You are right that it can help cognition, but that comes at a heavy price. Smoking can cause circulatory problems including cardiovascular disease, stroke, and heart attacks. In males, it can cause erectile dysfunction. There is a well founded stereotype of the hyper-intellectual smoker, who lives for books and dies from smoking. An even larger number of idiots smoke too, of course, but that is because idiots always outnumber hyper-intellectuals.


I wonder whether the reason I know hardly any smokers that had alzheimers or severe dementia is that - as recent studies show - nicotine does protect the brain or that they died earlier of other causes such as heart attacks, strokes etc due to circulatory issues. Maybe a combo of both. It probably depends on the delivery method on how harmful or beneficial it can be. Smoking is definitely not a good delivery method.

MisterLefty says
mell says
Nicotine is the least
Very addictive.


Generally known as addictive, yes, but also in those recent studies of those patients with patches/gums (instead of smoking) it was not very addictive that way (for some not al all once they recovered from smoking it). Interestingly in the few years of mild self-experimenting (non-smoker since) when studying I never felt any addictive properties (I assume you have to be a heavy smoker for a while to become physically addicted) and I know several people who started and stopped smoking (at least a pack a day) like clockwork without any issues as if they were not physically addicted at all. Of course then there are also those 2-3 pack chainsmokers who can't stop and develop shaking hands. Medicine is fascinating..
22   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 24, 7:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
Okay but your original point was about vape bans, right? Again, how are 'Libby' cities gonna see any revenue from something that's banned?


Cig taxes are high
Vap Juice taxes are not high.

Vaping is an alternative to smoking, and therefore distracts from cigarettes on which far higher taxes is paid to the state and often city. By making Vaping as restrictive as smoking, it reduces the desirability of the alternative.
23   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 24, 7:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
I’m envisioning a million Trumpcucks wearing stupid looking red MAGA hats, all violently vaping “food flavoring”. LMAO

I wonder if they’re tired of all the winning yet. PLEASE MAKE IT STOP LOL


Don't worry, soon unicorns will gallops through the heavens and the FTL Engine will be finalized in the near future when Pot is legalized.
24   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 24, 7:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Vaping=nicotine addiction. Certainly, when the vapes aren't available, and they start jonesing, they'll be smoking standard cigarettes, even if they started the habit with vaping.

There's less harmful, but not entirely NON harmful. I would also think that vaping would lead to heavier nicotine addiction dose-wise.

Why regulators care, I don't know, unless it's the tobacco lobby. However, I would think the tobacco lobby would be delighted with ANYTHING leads to a nicotine addiction.

Bitches are going to smoke anyway, may as well let them vape.
25   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 8:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Since most of the regulatory attention seems to focus on kids vaping, one should also probably mention that nicotine is a potentially lethal neurotoxin, often used as a pesticide. Large numbers of kids with poor impulse control sneaking potentially lethal quantities of neurotoxins into schools: what could possibly go wrong?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Cig taxes are high
Vap Juice taxes are not high.


That is a good point, and similar to the Amazon vs local retail issue because adults tend to buy cigarettes locally and vaping supplies online. The regulatory campaign seems mostly to focus on kids, but there might also be other motives.
26   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 24, 9:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Vape doesn't necessarily involve nicotine. Many people quit (like myself) by going off the nicotine slowly. In fact, the non-nicotine juices are among the biggest selling juices. As for an emergency when you're out of batteries/vape juice, most Drug Stores have 0 nicotine disposable e-cigs.

You lose the nicotine addiction but keep the physical addiction, somewhat. I can't have my coffee without my vape, I admit. But no nicotine.
27   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 24, 11:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

A strange observation about smoking is that the handling the sticks and viewing of the smoke plays a large reinforcing part for some reason. Smokers don't like smoking in the dark where they can't see themselves handling the cigs or blowing the smoke. The nicotine addiction must burn the ritual pathways in the brain.

Maybe the powers that be think that candy coating any smoking habit is like sneaking heroin in M&M's to kids to get them hooked by hook or crook, while portraying it as harmless to their health.

I just think if they smoke, they're gonna smoke, and will just have to try to quit later if they can.

The media lobbies for smoking and drinking are so pervasive and powerful. How many TV or movies show the heroes and heroines sloshing back a toddy at the slightest upset, or lighting up, making it look cool? All the advertising is in the general entertainment media now, with the stars. They inject a lot of money into productions to get the characters to drink like fish and smoke.
28   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2018 Sep 25, 6:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

My Take, I vaped for about 3 years.

1)Messy leaky gear that gets vape juice everywhere eventually. My steering wheel on my car is messed up from it.
The stuff damages everything it touches. It makes a greasy stain in clothes that wont come out.
2)The gear really needs regulating. I had to buy a new Mod every three months it didn't matter if I bought a cheap $20 mod or a $150 one they all fell apart and were broke by three months.
3)I had to eventually quit I don't know I became allergenic to pg or what but it started making me feel short of breath like I had asthma or something. After I quit vaping I coughed up water(loser fluid than phlegm) for about three months. It took me as long to get my breath back.
4)I vaped the whole time working in a so called "Green Building" where such activity was strictly forbidden. The trick is vape on the downlow and don't buy stinky vape juice.
Soho by Eliquid was a very mild flavor hardly no smell at all.
That being said, I hate the smell of 90% of people's vape juice choice and shouldn't be allowed around polite company otherwise known as a public setting.
29   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 25, 7:26am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'm against regulation, unless you can prove it's harmful to others. Everyone has a choice what they put in their bodies, and even if they're stupid-as-fuck, it's still their choice. But if the second hand smoke is harmful, or the product cannot be manufactured and disposed of without causing harm to others(environmental), then it should be outlawed. No one has a right to force someone else to accept a shittier quality of life for a habit.
30   Goran_K   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 25, 11:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

People should be able to vape and smoke weed. Anything else is statism.
31   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 25, 11:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What did the Founding Fathers have to say about vaping?
32   Malcolm   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 26, 9:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You don't have a right to impose your scents or smoke of any kind on others. In other words, do what you want away from people who don't want to be around it.
33   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Sep 26, 10:01am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Malcolm says
You don't have a right to impose your scents or smoke of any kind on others. In other words, do what you want away from people who don't want to be around it.



Vape isn't smoke, it's vapor. Will we ban strong cologne and perfume? Some people fill up a subway car with eye-watering eau de toilette when they walk on.
34   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 26, 10:39am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Will we ban strong cologne and perfume?


I wouldn't mind that. Those artificial fragrances aren't healthy for you either.
35   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 26, 10:50am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WTF is the problem with Vaping?

A lot of things that Millennials like to do is just plan wrong.
36   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 26, 11:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

With the current Kavanaugh circus, every time I see the word "vaping" I think "raping." Funny to re-read the comments above with that substitution. For example, substitute in this comment:

curious2 says
And, finally, vaping is commonly sold to schoolchildren, who are considered too young to decide whether to take all these risks. They choose vaping because they can conceal it more readily than smoking cigarettes in a bathroom, and because some are misled to believe it doesn't cause harm.

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