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Why you need family

By jazz_music follow jazz_music   2018 Sep 17, 12:34pm 6,092 views   38 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


You disappear. You become invisible when you lose. That is what happens.

The line between your life as a big shot and homelessness is thinner now than ever. Some coworkers will fuck you over for sport because they never get beaten up for it and management exploits that game for their own advancement. Plus, there is the meanness to punish poor decisions, substance abusers, to ignore mental illness,

The street can be a trap where the bottom keeps getting pulled out from under you. And they keep ripping you off over and over.

Family can save you and pull you up again.
1   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 17, 12:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Homeless Man Used to Be a Banker Before the Recession
2   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2018 Sep 17, 12:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Usually those on the streets have burned through all of their family and friends. Most of them have sociological issues that prevent them from living a normal productive life.

There's a huge difference in someone that hits rock bottom because they lost everything financially for what ever reason, but yet manage to get back to work and save up to start all over again. Those destined to long term homelessness are usually caught up in a slow boil that gradually sends them there. By time they get to the streets they accept it as a reality from then on. As they did nothing to prevent the eventuality that took months or years to happen.
Some that are homeless due to substance abuse stand a chance if they can get sobriety back, but hose with mental issues there's no help for them. Other than just giving them a place to live usually against their will.
3   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2018 Sep 17, 12:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

A homeless banker there you go. That guy had years of stress and issues he dealt with. His job stability was the only thing keeping him from the streets. All it takes is losing that job then accepting the fate of being homeless.
4   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 17, 12:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

2 tours in Iraq. PTSD and a drug addiction

She's a real fighter.
5   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 17, 1:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Since the housing crash began, 2007, Walmart has become a place to be homeless.

Know anyone who would up living in one of their parking lots?

Some retired move in RV caravans and migrate living in parking lots all over the country where ever they can find a gig.

Some are trapped with no better choices available.

6   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 17, 1:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Look, they are gentrifying California desert land.

The landlords want it.

Armed inspectors finding violations aimed at running people off the land.
7   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 17, 1:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

A drive through the immense homeless encampment that existed next to the Santa Ana River next to "The Big A."
8   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 17, 1:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Another look.

Some interviews.

There were more than 1,000 people living here.
9   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 17, 1:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I used to feel sorry for the homeless when I was younger. I’d give them money when they were begging.

But I work and they do not. There are too many jobs available and they don’t want to do them. So no more money. No more lenience. I don’t want them camped out in places where working people let kids play. I don’t want them trashing up parking lots where I shop. I don’t even want them in my town.

I never see Latino people homeless and begging. I’ve seen maybe one homeless Asian man ever.
All of the homeless are white or black... Americans with native privilege. They didn’t have to fight to be here or migrate from Hell holes to make a life in America. They were born here, decided not to try, fucked over everyone who ever cared about them, and wound up too addicted to care where they slept. Tough love is the only love they deserve. I wish society was tough enough to give it.
10   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 17, 1:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
Family can save you and pull you up again.

That is difference between traditional societies, where extended families function as a coherent group, supporting each other, and modern Western societies, where only nuclear families are together.

Older people are shipped off to die at retirement houses instead of being used to help with raising kids and doing small household chores, few people can be bothered to help others, and the result is homelessness in affluent countries. In US ignoring mental health problems adds to the issue as well.

Quigley says
I never see Latino people homeless and begging. I’ve seen maybe one homeless Asian man ever.


Interesting observation, I have seen exactly 2 homeless Asians here and 0 Hispanics, despite the place being 40-50% Hispanic. Might be related to stronger families - both Mexican Americans and many Asians have very strong extended family ties.
11   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 17, 1:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

dr6B says
US ignoring mental health problems


The US does not ignore mental health problems, it monetizes them. We subsidize infinitely modalities that have a 90% failure rate, e.g. toxic SSRI placebos and "rehab" programs. The rehab programs are especially lucrative due to also subsidizing infinitely the OxyContin fraud. Noam Chomsky might say that as a structural whole, the US medical industrial complex pays lavish attention to maximizing mental health problems by promoting addiction and diverting resources into ineffective treatments that prolong it.
12   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 17, 1:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Filmed on Jan. 22, 2018 on the deadline date over 1,000 homeless were given to evacuate.

Clean up services and other services offering shelter and aid.

You might skip through this, it is another drive by, it's just that the day of it is a little special.


13   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 17, 1:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The news item on the arrest and jailing of Orange County homeless

I wonder what facilities were used to imprison 1,000 people?

It becomes clear what a luxury it is to have teeth.

14   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 17, 1:40pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
I wonder what facilities were used to imprison 1,000 people?


Mostly motels and low budget hotels. At taxpayer expense. Several of them in the town where I live. These people had turned the sweetest bike path from the inland empire to the beach into a pig sty, a dangerous avenue full of trash and drugs and crime. We would see their encampment at the parking lot edge when we attended an Angels game, and once observed them hop the fence to loiter and pan handle while I was at a tailgate party with my son’s baseball team.

They should have been bussed out to the desert and left to die or roam as they could. But instead we taxpayers of Orange County paid for them for a month at local hotels. They hauled tons and tons of trash away and the cleanup itself took millions.
15   Rin   ignore (8)   2018 Sep 17, 1:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tenpoundbass says
Usually those on the streets have burned through all of their family and friends.


Wow! For the first time since the sex robot dispute, we're in full accordance.

Yes, burning bridges does that for someone. Many ppl who don't burn bridges, can make a comeback, given enough time to get things in order. Now, this will change once all jobs are automated but that's a discussion for another decade. We'll pick this up in 2035 but between now and then, this assertion remains correct.
16   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 17, 1:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

curious2 says
The US does not ignore mental health problems, it monetizes them.


agreed, and it is much worse than ignoring them
17   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 17, 1:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

'Tent City' in the woods of New Jersey.

People working full time.

People making too much to qualify for assistance but can't afford rent.

This is a country you want to say is not a shit hole and you want to say that slavery was abolished yet there are several categories of people who cannot afford minimum required to live indoors.

America got greedy, and mean, and when you get right down to the big picture it's murderous for the sake of the wealthy who DO NOT WORK for the money they take.


I realize that RT has an agenda, but the point rings true nonetheless, and that is that much of America are refugees from the wild takings of the "successful economy" that includes only those that can invest with greatest skill and resources.
18   clambo   ignore (5)   2018 Sep 17, 2:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

If I ever went broke, neither of my siblings would help me, and my parents are gone. It's up to me to keep my head straight I guess.

As mentioned above, lots of people who have problems have become estranged from their family, so they have no one to turn to.

I have an old friend who is bipolar: since I have known him he's made a couple of million dollars, but the last time I saw him he had a net worth of about $100 and was unable to support himself. He was going to live with his mother in New England and "take care of her."

We suspect his problem is he stops taking his meds and gets himself into various kinds of trouble. Guys like him dislike the idea of having to take them every day.

I wonder where he will go if his mother can't stand him.
19   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 17, 3:11pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
successful economy" that includes only those that can invest with greatest skill and resources.


Correction: the economy includes people who can provide a worthy service to other people. Usually this service is rewarded in measure of how great the service is to society at large. That is how a free market economy works. You do something for me. I do something for you. Lots of stuff gets done, made, and provided. With all that stuff, we have prosperity!
Don’t contribute... don’t expect to participate in the rewards.
Fuck you if you’re a worthless leech.
20   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 17, 3:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Quigley says
Usually this service is rewarded in measure of how great the service is to society at large. That is how a free market economy works. You do something for me. I do something for you. Lots of stuff gets done, made, and provided. With all that stuff, we have prosperity!
Don’t contribute... don’t expect to participate in the rewards.

True to some extent, but one can remember banksters who were stealing left and right and then got bailed out by taxpayers, and are continuing their plunder now. They are the ones who deserve to be under bridges more than anyone else, as their "contributions" to society are with a huge minus sign.
21   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 17, 3:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

DIE! DIE! DIE! BANKSTER FUCKING CUNTS, FUCKING DIE!


Why do you hate FINANCIAL INNOVATION! and CAPITALISM?
22   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 17, 4:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Dan said it best: capitalism rewards bargaining power, not value. When the CEOs of the biggest banks assemble, they wield enormous bargaining power: they finance political campaigns, grant or refuse credit, etc. They can threaten to shut down the economy. A truly public government would maintain a backup financial system, like the Post Office banking that European countries have. The Constitution authorizes the federal government to operate a bank, but we don't currently have anything like that. Instead, we have politicians financed by commercial banks, who make us dependent on commercial bankers.

The average nurse provides more value than the typical CEO of a big bank, but our system rewards the bank CEO, who wields more bargaining power due to controlling politicians and resources. The RICO fraud euphemized as "robo-signing" showed that banks have plenty of ambitious executives who commit outright fraud, and control plenty of politicians to escape punishment and to settle for illusory re-financing of loans that wouldn't have been collected anyway.
23   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 17, 6:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

dr6B says
remember banksters who were stealing left and right and then got bailed out by taxpayers, and are continuing their plunder now. They are the ones who deserve to be under bridges more than anyone

The truth hear goes way deeper than banksters as capitalism rewards power, and controls representation and indirectly the exercise of force, you become capital.

Your choices are planned ahead for you, and assured to lie at the bottom of the barrel. Down where all the gravy has been meticulously removed by the lower scoundrels.
24   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 17, 6:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

dr6B says
Older people are shipped off to die at retirement houses

This is a process that takes predictably 1-2 years, maybe longer if a relative keeps coming and asking the right questions.

Accidents happen that can never be attributed to the facility with great regularity.
25   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 17, 6:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Yeah, Mexicans have stronger family ties.

They are very conservative people too, but conservative in a smart way, not in the petulant way of American right wing that so loves to feign authority imitating their radio celebrities. --bully posers that suck up pathetically to anyone who has a little power
26   NDrLoR   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 17, 9:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
The street can be a trap where the bottom keeps getting pulled out from under you. And they keep ripping you off over and over.
Some things never seem to change. It seems to be worse today, but every generation has these people. How were people down and out in prosperous, booming 1956 America when anyone could get a job whether they had a college education or not? Alcohol was their drug of choice--this is an excerpt from an hour long documentary on The Bowery in 1956 and most of these people have their counterparts today. I'm sure some where veterans of the war, but some look old enough to have been young in the prosperous 1920's. If they weathered the Depression, they got jobs in defense industry, so I don't know how life could have gone so wrong with them except for personal failings:
27   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Sep 17, 10:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Quigley says
Tough love is the only love they deserve. I wish society was tough enough to give it.


I sort of agree. I'm not generous to street beggers, especially if they are working the door (or inside) a coffee place or fast food place. I don't want to encourage that.

But I can't feel that cold about it. I think it's emotional problems often, character disorder, personality disorders (think Trump, but without the family money), or call it possession by evil if you want (not so far off). Back in the Reagan Era, a lot of institutions for people with severe emotional challenges were shut down. Now for those people, it's either prison or the street.

As for the working thing. If you're going to work, you kind of need a home base, a safe place to sleep and bath, recharge your batteries. In LA the cost of such a place is more than minimum wage. I'm talking rent only !
28   CaltRightCrazy   ignore (5)   2018 Sep 17, 11:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Blame deregulation and American imperialism. (ripping off the fig leaf of blindly patriotic euphemisms)

The rentier's take got out of reason and poisoned the economy except for those already winning.

Society should accommodate people who burn out, develop illness, addictions. Punishing the faulted is worse than sick and mean, it makes a desperate and violent scene in the streets where rich people are never seen so they don't care.

We have abandoned each other in hopes to curry favor with the powerful so the violence in our midst we suffer we deserve. You don't get a good result by being a good time Charlie to the powerful. You have to stand on your hind legs sometimes to get any respect at all.

I thank the brave people that do demonstrate and protest the mismanagement of our nation. They end up feeling the pain of standing against enforcement. Maybe someday representatives will once again start thinking about us from time to time instead of laughing about us feckless fools who in total are not even worth their time to discuss.

Eisenhower warned we spend too much on weapons and wars and the problem has only gotten magnitudes worse while we allow ourselves to be distracted by every little thing the oligarchs set us up with.

Look at where you've lived and imagine what things could have been like now if the last 45 years had not been horrible for us.
29   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 18, 8:09am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Call It Crazy says
Maybe someday representatives will once again start thinking about us from time to time instead of laughing about us feckless fools who in total are not even worth their time to discuss.

Need a viable 3rd, 4th, 5th party for this to work.
30   krc   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 18, 8:38am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest really marked a change, for good in some cases and bad in many others, with how we deal with mental disorders.
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/couch-crisis/we-are-still-flying-over-cuckoos-nest
https://www.ocregister.com/2014/05/14/oc-approves-forced-treatment-for-seriously-mentally-ill/

Addiction to anything is never good. It just drains resources, and more importantly - time.
31   NDrLoR   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 18, 9:12am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
It started long before Reagan as we had legions of the homeless in streets of the large cities by the mid 1970's. It was JFK's last piece of legislation, The Community Mental Health Act, signed on 10/31/63 that began releasing patients from state run mental hospitals and the takeover of mental health by the federal government--not strictly part of The Great Society, but embodying the idea of the time that the federal government could solve every problem of human existence. There were supposed to be group homes for these people where they would be supervised, but they never materialized. Additional laws in the 70's made it impossible to commit mentally ill people without their consent, so they wound up living on the streets. That's why law enforcement are usually the first people in authority to encounter these people and do something about them. Today nearly 10% of jail inmates are mentally ill while 50-60 years ago it was something like 1%.

krc says
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Propagandized the idea put forth by its author Ken Kesey that mentally ill people are no different from normal people, they just have a different way of viewing their own reality and shouldn't be condemned or institutionalized for it. If that's the case, then I'd suggest letting the mentally ill homeless have their way and live they way they please since it seems to work for them. Who's to say our way of living in a comfortable home and sleeping in a nice bed at night is any better?
32   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 18, 9:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

A lot of homeless here are druggies.
Government I hear in SF promotes their drug abuse, so this problem will be there forever. Or at least until liberals get common sense, which is also very unlikely.
33   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 18, 11:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
The truth hear goes way deeper than banksters as capitalism rewards power, and controls representation and indirectly the exercise of force, you become capital.

Your choices are planned ahead for you, and assured to lie at the bottom of the barrel. Down where all the gravy has been meticulously removed by the lower scoundrels.

This is 100% true. The question is - what can be done to stop this? How to stop mega-rich buying bailouts by bribing politicians with miserably small amounts of money? How can one stop Military Industrial Complex which is another way of money transfer from poor to mega rich? The answer is not State Control, since what we have is a strong State Control in benefiting the rich. It is not socialism (see Venezuela, Soviet Union). Perhaps very local control of most finances would do it, with minimal intrusion of Federal government.
34   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 18, 11:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

dr6B says
Perhaps very local control of most finances would do it, with minimal intrusion of Federal government.


Hmmm.... I wonder which historical document best spells this out.
35   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 18, 12:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

CBOEtrader says
Hmmm.... I wonder which historical document best spells this out.

Ewiger Bund der Drei Waldstätten? :)
36   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 21, 10:48am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      



dr6B says

what can be done to stop this?

Traditionally people strike. In the past people have forsaken marriage and child-bearing. People demonstrate and make sure that their disatisfaction is well known.

Then the pigs get together and cut a new deal, because a boycotting population is bad for war and bottom line.

They need us to do all the work. To have babies, future soldiers and policemen. We must. That is why we must limit access to foreign sources of labor. They are taking more than our jobs, they are taking our political power away from us.

I'm a liberal and my straw man says that I am not supposed to say that. I don't care about trannys and LGBTQ issues much either except I would not want to have them treated indecently. We need to allow people to pursue their happiness and love is a complicated thing.

So we have propaganda to make sure that we think the problem is poor people who are receiving benefits, from foreign places, homeless. None of those people can afford their own media to counteract the voice of wealth and power. Propagandists keep us split into tiny factions who hate each other and repeat straw man memes about the other side. Ferrets keep marching off the cliff.

Using the power of 24/7 repetition and authoritarian announcers they have apparently succeeded in casting blame in the opposite direction from the pigs that get all the goodies.
37   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 21, 5:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

curious2 says
The rehab programs are especially lucrative due to also subsidizing infinitely the OxyContin fraud. Noam Chomsky might say that as a structural whole, the US medical industrial complex pays lavish attention to maximizing mental health problems by promoting addiction and diverting resources into ineffective treatments that prolong it.


Common aphorism is that rehab doesn't work for those who need it, only those who really, really want it. Otherwise, it's a round robin rinse and repeat cycle without any real effect other than to give three hots and a cot in between runs while listening to all the self pitying con crap from the addicts. Most alcoholics and addicts do NOT want it. Providing government tax paid funds for this would be a bottomless financial pit of ineffective bureaucracy.

Personal responsibility and recognizance are the most evil concepts to homeless and addicts. It's pretty worthless listening to their interviews, because the least reliable source of information about addict/alcoholics are the addict/alcoholic themselves, at least until they are sober for a long time. They are used to blaming everybody and everything for their 'problems' except themselves.

I have talked with several former local homeless around Santa Cruz. They are former homeless because they sobered up. It's usually that straight forward and lacks any mystery whatsoever. Some homeless are just temporary vagabonds who are traveling around and 'living off the land'. If they have enough dough, they will stay in hostels and such. They are just transitional types, not hard core homeless.
38   NDrLoR   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 8:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
Otherwise, it's a round robin rinse and repeat cycle without any real effect
They're victims of what I call the terrible Re twins--Rehab and Relapse.

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