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Wasn't it Pat.net that claimed Neo-Nazis didn't exist?

By LeonDurham follow LeonDurham   2018 Sep 1, 6:15pm 2,967 views   22 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


https://www.yahoo.com/news/neo-nazi-robocalls-target-andrew-010438825.html

"Florida voters started receiving ugly robocalls Friday targeting Democrat Andrew Gillum, the African-American candidate for governor, that are linked to a neo-Nazi website in Idaho, the Tallahassee Democrat reported.
In the automated phone calls, someone speaking in an exaggerated dialect pretends to be Gillum as drums and jungle noises can be heard in the background.
A voice says at the end of the call that it was funded by The Road to Power, an Idaho neo-Nazi website and video podcast, according to the newspaper."
1   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 1, 7:12pm     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag      

A secret society of Nazi's and KKK Larpers don't interest me or any Trump voter I know.
What's missing with both of these Straw men Red herrings is a vocal drive to recruit members. BLM has it, Antifa has it, where's the Craigslist posts and meet up requests?
A movement in the shadows is called Asymmetrical Campaigns, a smear campaign for those less sophisticated political pundit dabblers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare
2   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 1, 7:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Liberals banned info wars to replace it with fake news.

This is twilight zone.
3   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Sep 1, 7:59pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

Real Americans will never think of the press as the enemy of the people.

If and when we have a dangerous and terrible President, it is only fitting that he gets far more bad more bad press and less good press than the usual President. THe 30 to 40% of Americans, who somehow can't see Trump for who he is, and who claim the press is unfair to Trump can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned.

To those who want to call those that appreciate the institutions of democracy and the reputation the U.S. has earned in the world, the "Deep State," then fine, color me a Deep State lover.
4   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 1, 8:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FortWayne says
Liberals banned info wars to replace it with fake news.

This is twilight zone.


huh? What's fake? The people getting the robocalls are making it up?
5   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Sep 1, 8:04pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

FortWayne says
Liberals banned info wars to replace it with fake news.


You're referring to youtube (not liberals) and a decision that was made (right or wrong) to decrease the propaganda of hate and ignorance that has been having a disastrous effect on the less intelligent members of our society. "Idiocracy" may be inevitable, but trying to prevent it is an noble cause.
6   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 1, 8:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I think media has turned themselves into our enemy.

They stopped being news, and turned into one sided propaganda machines. Gestapo tactics.

Liberals own most msm today. CA is completely brainwashed by their bullshit.

Media are commies, free shit, trannies, and Democrats. Constantly harassing Trump, while letting Dems steal billions.

marcus says
Real Americans will never think of the press as the enemy of the people.

If and when we have a dangerous and terrible President, it is only fitting that he gets far more bad more bad press and less good press than the usual President. THe 30 to 40% of Americans, who somehow can't see Trump for who he is, and who claim the press is unfair to Trump can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned.

To those who want to call those that appreciate the institutions of democracy and the reputation the U.S. has earned in the world, the "Deep State," then fine, color me a Deep State lover.
7   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 1, 8:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Can somebody give me an update on the many organized Neo-Nazi Group fatalities over the past few months?

Did Illinois Nazis claim responsibility for any of those Chicagoland shootings last weekend?
8   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 1, 8:17pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Can somebody give me an update on the many organized Neo-Nazi Group fatalities over the past few months?

Did Illinois Nazis claim responsibility for any of those Chicagoland shootings last weekend?


Ah--now I see. A group only exists if they kill people?
9   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 1, 9:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Real Americans will never think of the press as the enemy of the people.

If and when we have a dangerous and terrible President, it is only fitting that he gets far more bad more bad press and less good press than the usual President. THe 30 to 40% of Americans, who somehow can't see Trump for who he is, and who claim the press is unfair to Trump can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned.

To those who want to call those that appreciate the institutions of democracy and the reputation the U.S. has earned in the world, the "Deep State," then fine, color me a Deep State lover.


This might be plausible if the two msm organizations championing the cause wernt lying their asses off. CNN and MSNBHEEHAW not only lose all credibility but they also give President Trump an infinite amount of “fake news” to deride.
10   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 1, 9:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

LeonDurham says
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Can somebody give me an update on the many organized Neo-Nazi Group fatalities over the past few months?

Did Illinois Nazis claim responsibility for any of those Chicagoland shootings last weekend?


Ah--now I see. A group only exists if they kill people?


No ones denied their existence...only their numbers, relevance, and influence.

Even citing the leftist Southern Poverty Law Center, the BBC can’t find evidence for more than a few thousand of these dastardly individuals. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40915356
11   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 1, 9:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

LeonDurham says
Ah--now I see. A group only exists if they kill people?


To be a threat, they have to demonstrate a threat, like Islamism or the PIRA. I think the last terrorist attack by organized Far Right groups was Alan Berg (I think his name was), the radio guy in the mid 80s. That is, a Far Right Group that isn't allied with Leftist Third Worldism, meaning the non-Islamic Far Right.

Neither Randy Weaver nor Waco nor the OKC Bomber were part of an organization, nor did any organization claim their attacks as their own. Contrast that with Orlando or San Ber, where multiple Islamist Organizations claimed responsibility and assistance.

CovfefeButDeadly says
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40915356


I like how they say "Also against immigration". In their mind, and in their concept of "Real People", only Far Right whackos are against Immigration.
12   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 2, 11:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

CovfefeButDeadly says

Even citing the leftist Southern Poverty Law Center, the BBC can’t find evidence for more than a few thousand of these dastardly individuals. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40915356


Reading comprehension is important. It says 1600 they are following, not 1600 total.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-neo-nazi-white-supremacist-hate-groups-southern-poverty-law-centre-a8222351.html
Multiple white supremacist factions saw their memberships increase, according to the SPLC, with the number of neo-Nazi groups growing from 99 to 121 and anti-Muslim organisations increasing from 101 chapters to 114.

Do you suppose each group has only 11.85 members for a total of 1600?
13   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 2, 1:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

bob2356 says
CovfefeButDeadly says

Even citing the leftist Southern Poverty Law Center, the BBC can’t find evidence for more than a few thousand of these dastardly individuals. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40915356


Reading comprehension is important. It says 1600 they are following, not 1600 total.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-neo-nazi-white-supremacist-hate-groups-southern-poverty-law-centre-a8222351.html
Multiple white supremacist factions saw their memberships increase, according to the SPLC, with the number of neo-Nazi groups growing from 99 to 121 and anti-Muslim organisations increasing from 101 chapters to 114...


I never said 1600 and I am not sure why you are attributing that to me. The article cited somewhere between 9,000 and 12,000 and that is in line with what the bbc previously reported in other similar articles where the spread was more like 6,000-25,000

Nonetheless, even if you accept the high number, it’s an extremely small number in a nation of nearly 400 million. Hardly a concern and hardly the boogeyman the left wing media like msnbheehaw would have one believe.

To put it in perspective, I showed a co worker this article. He is an msnbheehaw and cnn only news watcher. He was stunned. He thought there were a few million members of white racist/nationalist groups. And that’s the intentional impression that cnn and msnbheehaw are trying to create.
14   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Sep 2, 1:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

LeonDurham says
Wasn't it Pat.net that claimed Neo-Nazis didn't exist?


No, we believe they exist and were hiding out in the Democrat party.

15   krc   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 2, 1:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

"Real Americans will never think of the press as the enemy of the people." - Marcus

Real Americans actually should always question what they hear from the press. The press has been notorious since its inception - and the only way to counteract a manipulative press is to have as much freedom as possible (so you get multiple sides/views). Yellow journalism existed since the Guttenburg press . I don't really understand why someone would claim that Americans generally will never think of the press as the enemy (they already do) - the press has been the enemy of the public at various times in history (spanish/mex war, etc...). Ironically, the left complains vociferously about how destructive the press was under Hearst and so forth (and how the press was the enemy), but now seem to relegate MSM as representative of a noble cause it taking Trump down by whatever means necessary. Ironically, there is no special place for the press - they view themselves as the "fourth" estate but as the control of information has become more diffuse their power has waned. Hence the reaction to Infowars and other similar sites - "how can someone possibly believe this stuff". Let's shut it all down. :)

Just remember, as Info-wars and other media outlets for the right are shutdown, if power shifts in these private corporations then turn about will be fair play. Rather, I really don't care what a left or right site wants to say or claim. Neo-Nazi or Antifa - let them say whatever... really surprised that we can't even agree that shutting down some weird website is somehow "righteous" no matter the opinion. Odd coming from a liberal.


James Corbett:
The term “yellow journalism” was coined to describe the type of sensationalistic, scandal-driven, and often erroneous style of reporting popularized by newspapers like William Randolph Hearst’s New York Journal. In one of the most egregious examples of this phenomenon, Hearst’s papers widely trumpeted the sinking of the USS Maine as the work of the Spanish. Whipped into an anti-Spanish frenzy by a daily torrent of stories depicting Spanish forces’ alleged torture and rape of Cubans, and pushed over the edge by the Maine incident, the public welcomed the beginning of the US-Spanish war. Although it is now widely believed that the explosion on the USS Maine was due to a fire in one of its coal bunkers, the initial lurid reports of Spanish involvement stuck and the nation was led into war.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/05/james_corbett_faking_it_how_the_media_manipulates_the_world_into_war.html
16   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 2, 2:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The KKK was a creation of the Left and they still practice the same style of hate. It’s no wonder they exhume the corpse of that nefarious organization fifty times a year! They’re proud of what they built!
17   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2018 Sep 2, 2:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

A secret society of Nazi's and KKK Larpers don't interest me or any Trump voter I know.
What's missing with both of these Straw men Red herrings is a vocal drive to recruit members. BLM has it, Antifa has it, where's the Craigslist posts and meet up requests?
A movement in the shadows is called Asymmetrical Campaigns, a smear campaign for those less sophisticated political pundit dabblers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare

Two dislikes they hate when you spoil their game and give away their ticks, don't they?
18   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 2, 3:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

CovfefeButDeadly says


I never said 1600 and I am not sure why you are attributing that to me. The article cited somewhere between 9,000 and 12,000 and that is in line with what the bbc previously reported in other similar articles where the spread was more like 6,000-25,000


A couple thousand is in line with the tracking of 1600 quote. 9-12,000 isn't a couple. I don't buy that number either, but even if true they have a hugely outsized influence far beyond the numbers. The number of sympathizers without active affiliation is many many times higher. Curiosity overwhelms me, how many active antifa do you think there are?
19   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 2, 3:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

MrMagic says
No, we believe they exist and were hiding out in the Democrat party.


ROFLOL. Byrd completely disavowed the KKK and spoke against them. Yea sure, how many southern democrats were left after the civil rights act. Too funny.
20   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 2, 3:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

bob2356 says
hugely outsized influence far beyond the numbers.


Seems to me they're no more important or vital than they were 30 years ago. Other than the occasional one cropping up on a comments section, they simply don't matter.

They control no high offices, dominate (or just make up a substantial minority of) no institution. The only place you might find the Far Right is in a prison, and it's mostly an ethnic prison gang like the Black and Hispanic ones, mostly interested in money, protection, and policing their own.
21   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 2, 4:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

bob2356 says
CovfefeButDeadly says


I never said 1600 and I am not sure why you are attributing that to me. The article cited somewhere between 9,000 and 12,000 and that is in line with what the bbc previously reported in other similar articles where the spread was more like 6,000-25,000


A couple thousand is in line with the tracking of 1600 quote. 9-12,000 isn't a couple. I don't buy that number either, but even if true they have a hugely outsized influence far beyond the numbers. The number of sympathizers without active affiliation is many many times higher. Curiosity overwhelms me, how many active antifa do you think there are?


Actually I said several thousand. I now wonder why you are deliberately misquoting me, slightly changing words to shade things I said differently. That sucks and you really ought to apologize for it.

I don’t know how many antics members there are and I really don’t care except to the extent law enforcement is not allowed to stop violent people.

And I disagree that somehow racist people and organizations have some oversized influence. Without the news media I’d know Antifa exists. I wouldn’t know there’s white racist organizations. Some oversized influence.

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