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Can’t stand Hillary AND Trump?


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2018 Jul 5, 10:07am   3,003 views  13 comments

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Alasdair MacIntyre, an Emeritus Professor of Philosophy at the University of Notre Dame, says that voters should reject both candidates.

When offered a choice between two politically intolerable alternatives, it is important to choose neither. And when that choice is presented in rival arguments and debates that exclude from public consideration any other set of possibilities, it becomes a duty to withdraw from those arguments and debates, so as to resist the imposition of this false choice by those who have arrogated to themselves the power of framing the alternatives.
The way to vote against the system is not to vote.

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/cant-stand-hillary-or-trump-heres-what-you-must-do
http://commonknowledge.dukejournals.org/content/15/3/340.full.pdf

I find this quite compelling. If we vote for the lesser of evils, same evils will show up in every election.

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1   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2018 Jul 5, 10:54am  

Trump is a no filter asshole, but he’s not evil.

The Democrats called the Vice President “uncle Joe” for saying the same stuff.
2   Bd6r   2018 Jul 5, 11:05am  

CovfefeButDeadly says
Trump is a no filter asshole, but he’s not evil.


Probably true - but I am still not sure what he wants. He does not do simple things that could stop illegal immigration such as introducing mandatory E-verify, seems that banksters get last restrictions lifted (Dodd-Frank watered down) etc.

Bigger problem though is that in last few elections there was no reasonable candidate. Obama/McCain? Obama/Romney? Trump/Hillary?

Edit: and I do think that Trump was the lesser of two evils.
3   komputodo   2018 Jul 5, 11:40am  

drB6 says
He does not do simple things that could stop illegal immigration

Who has ever stopped illegal immigration?
4   komputodo   2018 Jul 5, 11:41am  

drB6 says
Bigger problem though is that in last few elections there was no reasonable candidate. Obama/McCain? Obama/Romney? Trump/Hillary?


Makes it difficult when there are only 2 candidates to pick from and both are already bought and paid for.
5   Bd6r   2018 Jul 5, 11:43am  

komputodo says
Who has ever stopped illegal immigration?

OK, decreased illegal immigration - point taken as private enterprise will always beat state efforts.
6   Bd6r   2018 Jul 5, 11:47am  

Aphroman says
Just look at his approach to taxes

He is spending country into bankruptcy, which somehow perfectly aligns with both parties efforts.

If people say that "debt can not be repaid" - this perhaps is true, but sadly we (middle class) will be the ones who will suffer, and not banksters/politicians.
7   Shaman   2018 Jul 5, 12:00pm  

Trump was the most outside candidate we could realistically hope to get out of our rigged primary system.

I strongly disagree with the idea that refusing to vote will be in any way effective. This makes the ruling coalition smaller, which leads to more corruption and control from the top and less free elections. This is a universal truth: the smaller the ruling coalition, the worse the government. We need more people to vote, not fewer. If everyone who refused to vote in the last election had instead showed up and voted for a third party, we might have had President Jill Stein instead. Elections have consequences, but ONLY if people participate.
8   RWSGFY   2018 Jul 5, 12:04pm  

Quigley says
If everyone who refused to vote in the last election had instead showed up and voted for a third party, we might have had President Jill Stein instead.


You're saying it like it's a good thing.
9   Shaman   2018 Jul 5, 12:18pm  

It would be a different thing. Not sure if it would be good or not. The point was that a different candidate would have been elected if all the couch potatoes made that choice. Only 45% of the voting age population usually votes in the general election. That leaves a clear majority of voters who sit on the sidelines and bitch. Idiots.
10   HowdyThere   2018 Jul 5, 6:34pm  

drB6 says
He is spending country into bankruptcy, which somehow perfectly aligns with both parties efforts.


Democrats and Republicans hold hands and sing together in perfect harmony "spend, spend, spend, spend, spend...." As a fiscal conservative, pretty much every government on the face of the planet is a disappointment.
11   MrMagic   2018 Jul 5, 9:27pm  

Aphroman says
Trump is very different than the rest of the Republicans.


That's because he's not a Republican.
12   Bd6r   2018 Jul 6, 3:54pm  

HowdyThere says
pretty much every government on the face of the planet is a disappointment.


https://tradingeconomics.com/estonia/government-debt-to-gdp

World record fiscal conservatives. And have required 2% in budget for defense as well.
13   curious2   2018 Jul 6, 5:32pm  

komputodo says
only 2 candidates


In Presidential elections, there are always more than 2 candidates. Vote for an independent candidate.

By not voting, you leave open the possibility that people are too lazy to vote, so better candidates should not bother to campaign. By showing up and voting, you prove that you care enough to vote.

By voting independently, you prove that your vote is available for a candidate to earn, rather than owned/pwned by a major party.

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