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Student Suspended for exercising his right to be Educated

By MisdemeanorRebel follow MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Mar 16, 9:28am 7,537 views   40 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      


https://ijr.com/2018/03/1076385-ohio-student-suspended-refusing-to-leave-classroom/

Yep, he WAS suspended for not participating in the March. He wanted to continue the regular school day, was told he had to March or go to a special room - because the Educators left his normal scheduled class. He refused. You can bet almost all the teachers marched according to AFT Commands.

That's being punished for trying to continue an ordinary school day.
1   Goran_K   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 16, 9:47am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Yep, he WAS suspended for not participating in the March. He wanted to continue the regular school day, was told he had to March or go to a special room - because the Educators left his normal scheduled class. He refused. You can bet almost all the teachers marched according to AFT Commands.

That's being punished for trying to continue an ordinary school day.


That's why the Walkouts were totally devoid of any value. They don't want a dialog, they want to strip rights away from people and impose the will of leftist/democrats and eviscerate the Constitution.

Luckily there are a lot of brave men who would stop them, which is why they guys like Bloomberg, Soros have to run these propaganda campaigns. They're playing the long game, and hoping that young people, generation after generation, simply won't like guns. Doesn't work that way though, because guns are cool, and once a young person has exposure to them, they immediately become a moderate or conservative and that's why gun bans have been unsuccessful.

I plan to take my son and nephews entire Scout Troop to an AppleSeed event this year. That's 30+ kids who will love and learn what the 2nd amendment is all about.
2   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 16, 1:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So the student got punished for protesting the protest...
3   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 16, 2:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
The little brat doesn't decide what goes on in school,that's in the purview of the teachers & administrators.


Not the public, that oh, I don't know, kinda pays for the Public School?

This is part of the "populist" (aka Democratic) revolt against the Left, which thinks themselves a cut above the rest, and because they took a few courses in handwriting and diversity, they get to decide which protests they not only endorse but use their undue influence to push kids to attend.

HEYYOU says
"he stayed in class instead of joining the largely anti-gun protest or an alternative “study hall.”


You don't send your kids to school to sit in study hall all day, while the Educators and Admins push the other kids into a political protest.

Administrator should be suspended, not the kid.
4   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 16, 2:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

2G+ is so bright, I'm blinded
5   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 17, 6:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Doesn't work that way though, because guns are cool, and once a young person has exposure to them, they immediately become a moderate or conservative and that's why gun bans have been unsuccessful.

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Wtf that’s not how it seems to work in the real world. It seems more once these kids go through something terrifying like a gun nut turning their school into a bloodbath that they become adverse to the idea of this once free country being a war zone and police state where Conservatives look to take away our liberties and freedoms at every turn and instead carry a healthy fear of guns into adulthood.
6   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 17, 9:16am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Schools are now indoctrination camps.
7   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 17, 9:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
That's being punished for trying to continue an ordinary school day.


Alt right insane spin much ?

At many schools nobody walked out. Some had some sort of brief activity/memorial. The idea that unions gave marching orders to teachers is absurd.

But the most absurd of all is the idea that the student was being punished for reasons you imply.

What's the punishment ?

Is it that he couldn't go to class becasue it was cancelled when most of the students (and possibly that teacher - but I seriously doubt it - although some would go if for no other reason than to keep the kids out of trouble) went on the march ?

Or was it becasue he was suspended for refusing to go to the other location if he was not going on the march when class is cancelled ?

News flash: at any high school, students aren't going to be allowed to just wander around if their class was cancelled. He was suspended for refusing to go to the other location. AT any school, if a child is told they need to be in their class, or in a particular location, and they say "No !" and if that can't be resolved fairly quickly, of course there are serious consequences. How could it be any other way ? Maybe they should have said, "we're sorry you were inconvenience by missing one class. We get it that you're upset about that (yeah right - that's his issue), so this time your extreme defiance is going to be allowed. Go ahead do anything you want go anywhere you want on campus. We apologize for insisting that you be somewhere where an adult is present."


“Student refused to follow instructions after being warned repeatedly by several administrators,” the letter said. “Student not permitted on school property.”
8   mell   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 17, 10:00am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
TwoScoopsPlissken says
That's being punished for trying to continue an ordinary school day.


Alt right insane spin much ?

At many schools nobody walked out. Some had some sort of brief activity/memorial. The idea that unions gave marching orders to teachers is absurd.

But the most absurd of all is the idea that the student was being punished for reasons you imply.

What's the punishment ?

Is it that he couldn't go to class becasue it was cancelled when most of the students (and possibly that teacher - but I seriously doubt it - although some would go if for no other reason than to keep the kids out of trouble) went on the march ?

Or was it becasue he was suspended for refusing to go to the other location if he was not going on the march when class is cancelled.

News flash: at any high school, students aren't going to be allowed to just wander around if their class was cancelled....


lol you can't possibly believe your own words. Kids can walk out wherever cause they feel like protesting and this student cannot? Btw. a Rocklin, CA teacher has been placed on leave for discussion the walkout and questioning whether anybody who wants to protest something has to consequentially get the same right then. You can't make this cultural-marxist, leftist school indoctrination up even if you tried your hardest. Unfuckingbelievable.
9   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 17, 10:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Kids can walk out wherever cause they feel like protesting and this student cannot?


Shouldn't you have a clue about the story other than the OPs dishonest representation if you're going to comment ?

He insisted on staying in the room the class was, where there was no adult (meaning next he could do whatever), rather than go to the prescribed location for students from that class that were not going on the march.


“Student refused to follow instructions after being warned repeatedly by several administrators,” the letter said. “Student not permitted on school property.”'

School district spokesperson Stacie Raterman said official policy prohibited school officials from leaving Shoemaker unattended in the building for “security reasons,”
10   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 17, 10:17am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
You can't make this cultural-marxist, leftist school indoctrination up even if you tried your hardest. Unfuckingbelievable.


So you think teenagers would never, on their own, try to organize a protest of something ? Really ?

And if they do, it's true that a school can't stop a large number of kids from leaving at once.

What would you have the school administrators do ?

AS if I thought you would ever seriously ponder my question. Hahahaha. I make myself laugh.
11   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 17, 11:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
He insisted on staying in the room the class was, where there was no adult (meaning next he could do whatever), rather than go to the prescribed location for students from that class that were not going on the march.


Where were the adults? Oh yes, encouraging and accompanying the March, in lieu of doing their jobs.

Should be investigating the Union. I bet they'd find so much evidence that Union Members planned the walkout and disruption of a normal school day, where Taxpayers were paying for their kids to be educated.

And since it's not about working conditions or wages, they really can't say it's part of being in a Union.

marcus says
What would you have the school administrators do ?


Call the police.

You know there's something called Compulsary Education Laws.
12   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 17, 11:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
Let Republicans die from bullet shooting devices.


https://heyjackass.com/category/2018-stats/

Out of 96 victims in chicago his year, 4 are white.

Out of 96, how many of those do you think voted for Trump? You might want to rethink who is killing themselves (it aint Republicans).
13   mell   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 17, 3:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
mell says
You can't make this cultural-marxist, leftist school indoctrination up even if you tried your hardest. Unfuckingbelievable.


So you think teenagers would never, on their own, try to organize a protest of something ? Really ?

And if they do, it's true that a school can't stop a large number of kids from leaving at once.

What would you have the school administrators do ?

AS if I thought you would ever seriously ponder my question. Hahahaha. I make myself laugh.


I don't care what they can and will do - calling the police as mentioned may not be the worst idea, or suspend the kids and throw them out of the school on a repeat - but I know what they should NOT do: suspend the one kid that stays exactly where they should be, IN THE CLASSROOM!
14   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 17, 3:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Where were the adults? Oh yes, encouraging and accompanying the March, in lieu of doing their jobs.


You must know you're making shit up here.
15   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 17, 3:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
suspend the one kid that stays exactly where they should be, IN THE CLASSROOM!


THey had a different classroom location for him to go. He refused. You're trying too hard to make this about something it isn't. But then again, lies sell here a lot better than they used to. And I'm not about to bother taking them on.
16   mell   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 17, 5:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
mell says
suspend the one kid that stays exactly where they should be, IN THE CLASSROOM!


THey had a different classroom location for him to go. He refused. You're trying too hard to make this about something it isn't. But then again, lies sell here a lot better than they used to. And I'm not about to bother taking them on.


You still don't understand. If somebody should have been ordered to a location it would have been the kids who left without permission, not the kid who stayed according to plan. Of course they could have let everyone leave at their own risk, but certainly not punish the kid that did what he was supposed to do. Cmon seriously?
17   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 17, 6:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
You still don't understand.


Actually it's you who don't understand. If you wanted to you and T-Lips could look into how this was organized, the way administrators at schools responded and so on.

Kids at many or most schools did not walk out. Many schools arranged brief little moratoriums, internally to occur at that time. At large schools where it was determined that a large number of kids planned on participating, they did what was smart, let the kids go out for a while, chant their little protests, and even have some adults follow them to keep them out of trouble. Police are informed as well.

THese things are not nearly as simple as you imagine. Nor are they arranged by evil left wing socialist teachers. Teachers have things to get done in their classes and don't appreciate losing class time for this type of thing. Even most left wing zealot type teachers (there aren't as many as you think) know that these marches don't do much if anything.

Admin and police are on board with letting students have their little protest in most cases where a large number wanted to go out.
18   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 17, 6:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
THey had a different classroom location for him to go. He refused. You're trying too hard to make this about something it isn't. But then again, lies sell here a lot better than they used to. And I'm not about to bother taking them on.


Why should he go to a different classroom? Was there a tornado warning and all the kids were sent to the safest, windowless part of the structure?

Why wasn't the teacher in the classroom, conducting class as normal?

Why should the kid be suspended for staying in his class.

Good for him, question authority.
19   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 17, 6:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Kids at many or most schools did not walk out. Many schools arranged brief little moratoriums, internally to occur at that time. At large schools where it was determined that a large number of kids planned on participating, they did what was smart, let the kids go out for a while, chant their little protests, and even have some adults follow them to keep them out of trouble. Police are informed as well.


Yeah, not only the school teachers, but the Governor of NY State,

Needs hearings. Did Admins and Teachers encourage just one iota the protests?

No leg to stand on, because the AFT/NYSUT/etc. wasn't protesting conditions or wages.

Conspiracy to violate mandatory education laws, I'm sure there's plenty of contractual and administrative violations.

Yet it's the kid who refused to participate and wanted to continue the school day that got suspended.

Total BS. We all know what happened: The Dumbest Majors by SAT Score encouraged the kids to go, the Admin was with them or unwilling to put a foot down, and the Teachers followed the kids outside, chanting with them.

What should have happened is the Admin lets the kids go but calls the cops and the COPS can follow the kids and make sure they didn't get out of hand. Like they did in, of course, Chicago:

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/03/16/on-walkout-day-chicago-teens-march-out-of-class-to-protest-gun-violence-and-trash-a-walmart-614087
20   mell   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 17, 6:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
marcus says
THey had a different classroom location for him to go. He refused. You're trying too hard to make this about something it isn't. But then again, lies sell here a lot better than they used to. And I'm not about to bother taking them on.


Why should he go to a different classroom? Was there a tornado warning and all the kids were sent to the safest, windowless part of the structure?

Why wasn't the teacher in the classroom, conducting class as normal?

Why should the kid be suspended for staying in his class.

Good for him, question authority.


Agreed. It's crazy that this is even debated. it's like going into a store and being punished for not shoplifting like the others, but paying for your stuff. I don't want to weigh in on the protests, don't really care about them and the school's reaction, however whatever they do they should make sure that enough teachers are at school teaching, that's where the taxpayer money goes to. When in doubt let the others take off to their protests and notify their parents that they are running lose and the school does not assume responsibility because the teachers are at school where they are supposed to be.
21   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 17, 6:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Yet it's the kid who refused to participate and wanted to continue the school day that got suspended.

Total BS.


Pure and simple lies.

IF he wanted to continue the school day, he goes to the study hall for that one period (as instructed) and then attends all his other classes after that.
22   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 17, 6:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Agreed. It's crazy that this is even debated. it's like going into a store and being punished for not shoplifting like the others, but paying for your stuff. I don't want to weigh in on the protests, don't really care about them and the school's reaction, however whatever they do they should make sure that enough teachers are at school teaching, that's where the taxpayer money goes to. When in doubt let the others take off to their protests and notify their parents that they are running lose and the school does not assume responsibility because the teachers are at school where they are supposed to be.


Exactly. If the kids left, the teachers conduct class as normal, and send a note home with the missing textbook pages for the protesters to follow up on their own time.

Explaining that when Emerson and Thoreau talked about Civil Disobedience, it included taking all the lumps that went along with it (ie having to make up the classes you missed by reading on the weekend).
23   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 17, 6:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
IF he wanted to continue the school day, he goes to the study hall for that one period (as instructed) and then attends all his other classes after that.


Study Hall in lieu of regularly scheduled Calculus or Social Studies is not the normal school day. Where was the teacher teaching his class? Hey, she got that small class size she wanted, same pay less work.

Her ass better be on that chair or near the blackboard. Not getting paid to be at a protest she supports, on the taxpayer dollar.

Cops conduct security at protests, not Educators.

It's funny, educators are like "Muh CE, Muh Credentials". What credentials does the Dept of Education offer for Crowd Control?
24   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 17, 6:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
If the kids left, the teachers conduct class as normal, and send a note home with the missing textbook pages for the protesters to follow up on their own time.


In most cases, that's what happened. But ooooh Brietbart found an example where it went down a little differently.

No need for them to lie about it though. I get it about being an online provocateur. But can't they do it with even a slight amount of integrity ?
25   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 17, 6:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Hey, she got that small class size she wanted, same pay less work.


No she didn't.
26   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 17, 6:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
In most cases, that's what happened. But ooooh Brietbart found an example where it went down a little differently.


So the kid should be suspended? If other schools didn't suspend re: Walkouts, why should a kid who stayed in his classroom be suspended?
28   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 17, 6:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
So the kid should be suspended?


What are you missing here ? He is asked to go to a study hall where other students and an adult are present and he says no. I'm quite sure they asked him repeatedly. I'm also sure they felt it was a reasonable request. They have rules and policies. This doesn't really even have anything to do with the walkout. IT's about a student defiantly refusing to follow a perfectly reasonable request.

Maybe you have a legit argument about a very small percentage of teachers encouraging students to participate. I beleive less than 1%. Guaranteed it's under 2%. But that's independent of that particular student's refusal to go to another location where an adult is present and thus being suspended.
29   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 17, 6:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
What are you missing here ?

Nothing.
marcus says
He is asked to go to a study hall where other students and an adult are present


Where is the adult that's supposed to be in his classroom, teaching at her regular appointed hour?


marcus says
I'm quite sure they asked him repeatedly.


He has a right to be educated. And the taxpayer is paying that adult to instruct him. Where did she go?

marcus says
They have rules and policies.


Ohio has mandatory schooling laws like every state in the nation.

marcus says
Maybe you have a legit argument about a very small percentage of teachers encouraging students to participate. I beleive less than 1%. Guaranteed it's under 2%.


Good, so what's their punishment? If they're going to punish a kid for wanting to continue his regular school day, they can certainly punish the teacher who encouraged walkouts, yes?

marcus says
But that's independent of that particular student's refusal to go to another location where an adult is present and thus being suspended.


Again, where was the adult that was supposed to be in his room?
30   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 17, 7:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Turns out a Teacher WAS punished, this one for daring to make a comparison:

California teacher put on leave for asking if schools would allow walkouts to protest abortion
California high school history teacher Julianne Benzel was put on paid leave after questioning in front of her students whether school administrations would let a group of students protesting abortion walk out of class in the middle of the school day like they did with students who did so on Wednesday in protests over school shootings.

“I opened up the discussion for if schools … are going to allow one group of students to get up during class and walk out to protest on one issue, would they still give the same courtesy to another group of students who wanted to get up and walk out in protest. And I used the example of abortion,” Rocklin High School teacher Benzel said on Fox News Friday morning.

Benzel said two students and one parent took issue with her comment and complained to the administration who then placed her on leave for two days.

The California teacher said she was trying to a start a class discussion ahead of National Walkout Day on whether the situation would be treated the same way if a school walkout was organized from the other side of the political aisle.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/16/california-teacher-put-on-leave-for-asking-if-schools-would-allow-walk-outs-to-protest-abortion.html

Good Question. And would most of the admins and teachers follow those abortion protesting kids out into the street to "protect" them? Probably not.

The Teacher was encouraging students to THINK about the issue.

The Admin wanted to silence attempts at THINKING.
31   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 17, 7:20pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

It's true that we can't have walk outs all the time over random issues of the week. But 70% of the people are for stricter gun control laws. Higher percentages if you specify something like large capacity magazines. Allowing occasional walkouts (once every few years or less) is instructive to students about our system. Student still say the pledge of allegiance a few times a week at many high schools, including the one I work at. Is that indoctrination ? I don't think so. But we want students to believe in America, and in their rights to protest. When the issue is one that such a super-majority agree with (stricter gun control laws), some school allow it.

Yes, a majority of school admins and teachers are typically center to left of center who vote democrat. Deal with it.

That's a far cry form some commie marxist indoctrination camps that the whackos on the right want to make them out to be.
32   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 17, 7:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
people are for stricter gun control laws.


Which new laws would that be on top of the existing 20,000+ already on the books? This is the default Liberal Straw Man, but when you ask a Liberal what NEW specific gun laws would have prevented a Parkland, all we hear is "crickets".

marcus says
Higher percentages if you specify something like large capacity magazines.


What's a "large" capacity magazine?

marcus says
It's true that we can't have walk outs all the time over random issues of the week.


Where are the random walk outs regarding the number of teens killed in cars because of distracted driving? Please link the article where that is a major concern in the schools, and the protests, since hundreds more die that way compared to dying from being shot by a AR-15.
33   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 17, 7:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's called an "exculpatory resonance". When emotions/logic ratio is infinite, then all meaningless gestures are forgiven in the propaganda blizzard.
34   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 17, 7:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
That's a far cry form some commie marxist indoctrination camps that the whackos on the right want to make them out to be.


Nowhere in your post did you respond to the idea that bringing up "Would this level of support be seen for protesting students if they were protesting abortion?"

marcus says
Yes, a majority of school admins and teachers are typically center to left of center who vote democrat. Deal with it.


I hope to do so, by encouraging the various States to investigate and dole out punishments for those who broke from rules and policies about what typically happens during a walkout by students. And, if Union Members colluded to support it, which violates the law and almost certainly their contract.

Even the ACLU admits what teachers say in the classroom can be considered official an School District platform, and that they have little protection.
35   marcus   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 17, 8:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
WAS suspended for not participating in the March


No shame ?
36   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 17, 8:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
That's a far cry form some commie marxist indoctrination camps that the whackos on the right want to make them out to be.

Minimization is a form of denial.
37   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 17, 9:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
marcus says
What are you missing here ?

Nothing.
marcus says
He is asked to go to a study hall where other students and an adult are present


Where is the adult that's supposed to be in his classroom, teaching at her regular appointed hour?


marcus says
I'm quite sure they asked him repeatedly.


He has a right to be educated. And the taxpayer is paying that adult to instruct him. Where did she go?

marcus says
They have rules and policies.


Ohio has mandatory schooling laws like every state in the nation.

marcus says
Maybe you have a le...


Where were you on February 14th?
38   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 18, 7:14am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says
Isn't that the role of the NRA ?



Oh, the NRA is a government agency and attending it's facilities is mandatory for most of those under 16?

Apples and Baseballs, not even Oranges.
39   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 18, 8:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Democrats are trying to indoctrinate kids. Complete assholes.
40   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 19, 11:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
He insisted on staying in the room the class was, where there was no adult (meaning next he could do whatever), rather than go to the prescribed location for students from that class that were not going on the march.


Not sure if you're doing this intentionally, or obstinately, but obviously all students have a right to expect that when they go to school, it's to learn not to be babysat in a study hall, or march in a federally sponsored protest. Now if there was a physical danger that necessitated removing the student from his normal learning activities, I could see him getting in trouble, but this wasn't the case.

Bottom line, public schools are either a real effort to educate youth, or they're not. This incident clearly seems to indicate education is secondary, what is primary, I think we all know.

In the 60's you think they suspended kids for not protesting Vietnam?

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