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MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 6:06pm
MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 6:06pm
LeonDurham says
Great, so is that why car deaths have risen to record levels over 40,000 last year and 3 million were injured from all this NEW safety regulations?
Doesn't sound like government regulation and involvement is working very well.
Ahhh, but adding NEW gun regulations (not including the EXISTING 20,000 gun laws on the books NOW) will stop deranged killers, right? Just like NEW auto safety regulations are reducing car deaths, right?
Geez, more Liberal Logic.
anon_cf6c6 says
Great, so you're starting with the one that kills the LEAST amount first? Why is that?
Nope--not starting. Automobile safety has been regulated for a long, long time. We've made laws governing car seats, age/weight limits on front seat passengers, seat belts, crash test requirements, etc.
Great, so is that why car deaths have risen to record levels over 40,000 last year and 3 million were injured from all this NEW safety regulations?
Doesn't sound like government regulation and involvement is working very well.
Ahhh, but adding NEW gun regulations (not including the EXISTING 20,000 gun laws on the books NOW) will stop deranged killers, right? Just like NEW auto safety regulations are reducing car deaths, right?
Geez, more Liberal Logic.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 18, 6:17pm
And I love that the right's complete subjugation to the NRA is being laid bare for the world to see.
How many ads with Dems run with High School kids asking why politicians can't stand up to the NRA and pass common sense legislation to eliminate school shootings.
Show an excerpt of one of the students speaking, then cut to a diagram showing how much $$ said politician has received from the NRA. Then show his voting record allowing guns for mentally ill, or reducing background checks, etc.
I'm sure those ads are being made as I write this.
How many ads with Dems run with High School kids asking why politicians can't stand up to the NRA and pass common sense legislation to eliminate school shootings.
Show an excerpt of one of the students speaking, then cut to a diagram showing how much $$ said politician has received from the NRA. Then show his voting record allowing guns for mentally ill, or reducing background checks, etc.
I'm sure those ads are being made as I write this.
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bob2356
2018 Feb 18, 7:49pm
Sniper says
Actually they are working well. What isn't working very well is some people grasping the concept of rate. As in fatalities per mile travelled which have been dropping quite nicely with government regulation and involvement. Down a third in the last 15 years and 60% since the first regs started. It's a math thing, conservatives always seem to have trouble with math
Great, so is that why car deaths have risen to record levels over 40,000 last year and 3 million were injured from all this NEW safety regulations?
Doesn't sound like government regulation and involvement is working very well.
Actually they are working well. What isn't working very well is some people grasping the concept of rate. As in fatalities per mile travelled which have been dropping quite nicely with government regulation and involvement. Down a third in the last 15 years and 60% since the first regs started. It's a math thing, conservatives always seem to have trouble with math
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 8:04pm
MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 8:04pm
anon_3b28c says
This where the Liberals are being misdirected and lied to by their favorite Liberal MSM channel and talking head.
The NRA has ALWAYS called for sensible background checks. The NRA has never supporter letting guns get in the hands of deranged killers.
I dare ANYONE to post a true article that disputes those facts.
How many ads with Dems run with High School kids asking why politicians can't stand up to the NRA and pass common sense legislation to eliminate school shootings.
This where the Liberals are being misdirected and lied to by their favorite Liberal MSM channel and talking head.
The NRA has ALWAYS called for sensible background checks. The NRA has never supporter letting guns get in the hands of deranged killers.
I dare ANYONE to post a true article that disputes those facts.
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 8:25pm
MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 8:25pm
bob2356 says
Speaking of math and that "rate thing". Remember your chart here:
anon_42ce4 says
It's a math thing, conservatives always seem to have trouble with math
Speaking of math and that "rate thing". Remember your chart here:
anon_42ce4 says
Not these percentages again, some just haven't learned math.
In 1978 there were 73 million households, so 51% of 73 = 37 million were gun owners.
In 2016 there were 126 million households, so 36% of 126 = 45 million were gun owners.
Quick math question, which is larger, 37 million or 45 million?
What was that again about "right wing math"?
More households own guns NOW.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 18, 9:14pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 18, 9:14pm
Goran_K says
Rip up your steak with your hands, you small hands Right Wing Meateating Conservative fucks!!! The kids are getting stabbed!!!
Fact, 3 times more people die to knives in the U.S than to rifles.
Rip up your steak with your hands, you small hands Right Wing Meateating Conservative fucks!!! The kids are getting stabbed!!!
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 18, 9:22pm
I'm actually willing to restrict handguns since they're really an auxillary weapon, a side arm, rather than a true militia weapon which would be a longarm. Not that it would do much good. Got to be over 30, take a Basic Firearms Safety Class/Get State CCW Permit, have several years experience with a long arm (or have completed 1 year of military service at any time).
On the other hand, Jamal Jackson and Juan Jiminez would still have access to the same .25 Auto that's been making the rounds on the Chicago or San Juan black market since Superfly was in the cinema and is linked to dozens of deaths. And the Mexican Cartels would just smuggle more in.
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 18, 9:22pm
I'm actually willing to restrict handguns since they're really an auxillary weapon, a side arm, rather than a true militia weapon which would be a longarm. Not that it would do much good. Got to be over 30, take a Basic Firearms Safety Class/Get State CCW Permit, have several years experience with a long arm (or have completed 1 year of military service at any time).
On the other hand, Jamal Jackson and Juan Jiminez would still have access to the same .25 Auto that's been making the rounds on the Chicago or San Juan black market since Superfly was in the cinema and is linked to dozens of deaths. And the Mexican Cartels would just smuggle more in.
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 10:53pm
MrMagic
2018 Feb 18, 10:53pm
TwoScoopsPlissken says
Actually, the Chicago PD published a report stating the average handgun used in a shooting gets passed around, on average, 6 times between gang members, to be used in a shooting before the cops finally grab it.
I wonder what NEW law the Liberals could propose that would stop that illegal transfer?
Maybe a gun show loophole law or banning of AR-15s in Chicago would stop those illegal handgun transfers. I know, a mental health screening of the thugs would stop it. Yeah, that's the ticket!
I'm sure these thugs fill out Federal 4473 transfer form every time they transfer a stolen handgun to another gang member, right?
On the other hand, Jamal Jackson and Juan Jiminez would still have access to the same .25 Auto that's been making the rounds on the Chicago or San Juan black market
Actually, the Chicago PD published a report stating the average handgun used in a shooting gets passed around, on average, 6 times between gang members, to be used in a shooting before the cops finally grab it.
I wonder what NEW law the Liberals could propose that would stop that illegal transfer?
Maybe a gun show loophole law or banning of AR-15s in Chicago would stop those illegal handgun transfers. I know, a mental health screening of the thugs would stop it. Yeah, that's the ticket!
I'm sure these thugs fill out Federal 4473 transfer form every time they transfer a stolen handgun to another gang member, right?
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bob2356
2018 Feb 19, 7:45am
Sniper says
Quick math question. In any group of say 1 million people (assuming theoretical even distribution) are there more or less gun households at 36% now than at 51% then? Hint 510,000 is larger than 360,000. Right wing math strikes again.
So if a country A has a million people with a million gun owners and country B has 500 million people with 1 million and 1 gun owners that means you are more likely to get shot in country B because they have more gun owners. OF COURSE, how could I not have seen that?
Yes those troublesome (if you don't understand them) percentages do matter.
Not these percentages again, some just haven't learned math.
In 1978 there were 73 million households, so 51% of 73 = 37 million were gun owners.
In 2016 there were 126 million households, so 36% of 126 = 45 million were gun owners.
Quick math question, which is larger, 37 million or 45 million?
What was that again about "right wing math"?
More households own guns NOW.
Quick math question. In any group of say 1 million people (assuming theoretical even distribution) are there more or less gun households at 36% now than at 51% then? Hint 510,000 is larger than 360,000. Right wing math strikes again.
So if a country A has a million people with a million gun owners and country B has 500 million people with 1 million and 1 gun owners that means you are more likely to get shot in country B because they have more gun owners. OF COURSE, how could I not have seen that?
Yes those troublesome (if you don't understand them) percentages do matter.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 7:48am
Why do conservatives frame it as "giving up our guns"? We're talking about regulating a very small subset of firearms whose only purpose is to kill as quickly as possible.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 7:48am
Goran_K says
Fact: One high school student death is one too many.
Fact, 3 times more people die to knives in the U.S than to rifles.
Fact: One high school student death is one too many.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 7:48am
TwoScoopsPlissken says
Great--let's go after the black market on guns then by limiting production. That can be part of the legislation.
On the other hand, Jamal Jackson and Juan Jiminez would still have access to the same .25 Auto that's been making the rounds on the Chicago or San Juan black market since Superfly was in the cinema and is linked to dozens of deaths. And the Mexican Cartels would just smuggle more in.
Great--let's go after the black market on guns then by limiting production. That can be part of the legislation.
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bob2356
2018 Feb 19, 7:50am
Sniper says
ROFLOL. The NRA defines sensible as any background check that would not prevent a gun sale. The NRA used to call for sensible background checks when it was actually a group of gun owners not gun manufacturers. Those days are long gone.
The NRA has ALWAYS called for sensible background checks.
ROFLOL. The NRA defines sensible as any background check that would not prevent a gun sale. The NRA used to call for sensible background checks when it was actually a group of gun owners not gun manufacturers. Those days are long gone.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 19, 7:53am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 19, 7:53am
anon_8f378 says
Nah, let's just have at least one guard controlling the entrance to schools like we do at every other similarly sized facility in the country.
Great--let's go after the black market on guns then by limiting production. That can be part of the legislation.
Nah, let's just have at least one guard controlling the entrance to schools like we do at every other similarly sized facility in the country.
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 19, 8:25am
MrMagic
2018 Feb 19, 8:25am
bob2356 says
I'll try and help.
bob2356 says
That's NOT what your chart says. It says TOTAL households in the country, NOT a slice of a certain number of households. The facts are, the number of households has risen considerably between 1978 and 2016 on your chart.
So, here's the basic math again:
In 1978 there were 73 million households, so 51% of 73 = 37 million were gun owners.
In 2016 there were 126 million households, so 36% of 126 = 45 million were gun owners
Please show me on your chart where it says "Taken from a sample of 1 million households"......
Go contact CBS and NYT and tell them their Liberal Spin chart didn't work (except for clueless Liberal sheep).
I'll be waiting.
bob2356 says
Yes, percentages matter, when dealing with facts.
Those pesky facts again.
Quick math question.
I'll try and help.
bob2356 says
In any group of say 1 million people (assuming theoretical even distribution) are there more or less gun households at 36% now than at 51% then?
That's NOT what your chart says. It says TOTAL households in the country, NOT a slice of a certain number of households. The facts are, the number of households has risen considerably between 1978 and 2016 on your chart.
So, here's the basic math again:
In 1978 there were 73 million households, so 51% of 73 = 37 million were gun owners.
In 2016 there were 126 million households, so 36% of 126 = 45 million were gun owners
Please show me on your chart where it says "Taken from a sample of 1 million households"......
Go contact CBS and NYT and tell them their Liberal Spin chart didn't work (except for clueless Liberal sheep).
I'll be waiting.
bob2356 says
Yes those troublesome (if you don't understand them) percentages do matter.
Yes, percentages matter, when dealing with facts.
Those pesky facts again.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 8:28am
anon_8f378 says
Because they are paranoid snowflake cunts just like the CUNTUS himself.
Why do conservatives frame it as "giving up our guns"? We're talking about regulating a very small subset of firearms whose only purpose is to kill as quickly as possible.
Because they are paranoid snowflake cunts just like the CUNTUS himself.
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Onvacation
2018 Feb 19, 8:40am
Onvacation
2018 Feb 19, 8:40am
anon_6b979 says
So you only want law abiding citizens to own guns that kill slowly? Sounds inhumane.
whose only purpose is to kill as quickly as possible.
So you only want law abiding citizens to own guns that kill slowly? Sounds inhumane.
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FortWayne
2018 Feb 19, 8:43am
FortWayne
2018 Feb 19, 8:43am
anon_8f378 says
How much quicker is AR-15 vs a handgun? Since you are all of a sudden an expert, please do tell how much faster one vs another is?
Why do conservatives frame it as "giving up our guns"? We're talking about regulating a very small subset of firearms whose only purpose is to kill as quickly as possible.
How much quicker is AR-15 vs a handgun? Since you are all of a sudden an expert, please do tell how much faster one vs another is?
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Feb 19, 8:50am
Tenpoundbass
2018 Feb 19, 8:50am
Sniper says
I do It's called self driving electric cars. Outlawed private ownership of cars. Unless you're a VIP of course, or a Liberal A Lister.
Any Libbies want to touch on that o
I do It's called self driving electric cars. Outlawed private ownership of cars. Unless you're a VIP of course, or a Liberal A Lister.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 9:51am
Sniper says
Sure-it's another strawman. Gun control is about closing loopholes that allow "drunk drivers" in your analogy to get them.. It's about restricting the general population's ability from dangerous cars which is already in place. (read--non street legal)
If gun control were similar to automobile regulations, I'd be happy.
There's a perfect example of Liberal Logic.
Any Libbies want to touch on that one?
Sure-it's another strawman. Gun control is about closing loopholes that allow "drunk drivers" in your analogy to get them.. It's about restricting the general population's ability from dangerous cars which is already in place. (read--non street legal)
If gun control were similar to automobile regulations, I'd be happy.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 9:51am
TwoScoopsPlissken says
Useless. I'm looking for solutions that help fix the problem.
Nah, let's just have at least one guard controlling the entrance to schools like we do at every other similarly sized facility in the country.
Useless. I'm looking for solutions that help fix the problem.
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 19, 9:51am
MrMagic
2018 Feb 19, 9:51am
anon_8f378 says
Is this your daily "Chuck Schumer" talking point that you'll keep posting, day after day?
We're talking about regulating a very small subset of firearms whose only purpose is to kill as quickly as possible.
Is this your daily "Chuck Schumer" talking point that you'll keep posting, day after day?
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 19, 9:52am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 19, 9:52am
anon_8f378 says
Yeah, not having ANY controls to exit and enter a 3100+ Person Facility, much less one filled with kids, is not a problem. The kid was on a ban list but there was not one (1) person charged with the responsibility of checking entrants into the complex, so the list was nothing more than ass covering useless bureaucracy.
Or a kid who the police responded to complaints 39 times at his house, was expelled from regular school, on SSRIs, and diagnosed with mental issues, experienced no intervention despite at least one verified recent tip to a LEO Agency about Violent Threats by an adult, and many more by peers.
Instead, let's select the politically difficult idea of banning firearms.
Useless.
Useless. I'm looking for solutions that help fix the problem.
Yeah, not having ANY controls to exit and enter a 3100+ Person Facility, much less one filled with kids, is not a problem. The kid was on a ban list but there was not one (1) person charged with the responsibility of checking entrants into the complex, so the list was nothing more than ass covering useless bureaucracy.
Or a kid who the police responded to complaints 39 times at his house, was expelled from regular school, on SSRIs, and diagnosed with mental issues, experienced no intervention despite at least one verified recent tip to a LEO Agency about Violent Threats by an adult, and many more by peers.
Instead, let's select the politically difficult idea of banning firearms.
Useless.
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zzyzzx
2018 Feb 19, 9:55am
zzyzzx
2018 Feb 19, 9:55am
More children dies of the flu last week than from school shootings.
Where is the cry from Democrats to outlaw the flu?
Where is the cry from Democrats to outlaw the flu?
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FortWayne
2018 Feb 19, 10:08am
FortWayne
2018 Feb 19, 10:08am
There are more gun laws than automobile laws already.
And yes more people die in car accidents than from rifles.
anon_8f378 says
And yes more people die in car accidents than from rifles.
anon_8f378 says
Sniper saysThere's a perfect example of Liberal Logic.
Any Libbies want to touch on that one?
Sure-it's another strawman. Gun control is about closing loopholes that allow "drunk drivers" in your analogy to get them.. It's about restricting the general population's ability from dangerous cars which is already in place. (read--non street legal)
If gun control were similar to automobile regulations, I'd be happy.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 10:21am
TwoScoopsPlissken says
How about let's do both?!?
Why must everyone pretend we can't do two things at once?
Or a kid who the police responded to complaints 39 times at his house, was expelled from regular school, on SSRIs, and diagnosed with mental issues, experienced no intervention despite at least one verified recent tip to a LEO Agency about Violent Threats by an adult, and many more by peers.
Instead, let's select the politically difficult idea of banning firearms.
How about let's do both?!?
Why must everyone pretend we can't do two things at once?
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 10:21am
zzyzzx says
Enough with this nonsense. It really is one side made up of adults and the other made up of 3 yr olds.
More children dies of the flu last week than from school shootings.
Where is the cry from Democrats to outlaw the flu?
Enough with this nonsense. It really is one side made up of adults and the other made up of 3 yr olds.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 10:21am
TwoScoopsPlissken says
But since that is a lie, let's move on to discussing actual relevant issues and solutions.
Yeah, not having ANY controls to exit and enter a 3100+ Person Facility, much less one filled with kids, is not a problem.
But since that is a lie, let's move on to discussing actual relevant issues and solutions.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 19, 1:50pm
zzyzzx says
I'm all for the Swiss system. Everyone does 2 years in the military to get the right to a gun then gets checked out by the military every year. Can congress vote on that today?
Does Hondruas and Switzerland have he same poverty rate? Your picture doesn't say.
I'm all for the Swiss system. Everyone does 2 years in the military to get the right to a gun then gets checked out by the military every year. Can congress vote on that today?
Does Hondruas and Switzerland have he same poverty rate? Your picture doesn't say.
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Couple things to note in there:
1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.
So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?
In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”
Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.
So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??
Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.