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Nikolas Cruz trained with white nationalist militia (not actually true - it's FAKE NEWS printed because the press likes it)


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2018 Feb 15, 11:08am   6,373 views  33 comments

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http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/article200210944.html

An orphaned 19-year-old who participated in paramilitary drills with a white nationalist group was charged with murder Thursday in the deaths of 17 people who were fatally shot at a huge Florida high school in the nation's deadliest school attack in five years.

Nikolas Cruz legally purchased the AR-15 rifle used in the assault at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, law enforcement officials told The Associated Press.

As the criminal case against the suspect took shape, the leader of a white nationalist militia called the Republic of Florida said Cruz was a member of his group and participated in exercises in Tallahassee.

Jordan Jereb told The Associated Press that did not know Cruz personally and that "he acted on his own behalf" and is "solely responsible for what he just did."

The group wants Florida to become its own white ethno-state. Jereb said his organization holds "spontaneous random demonstrations" and tries not to participate in the modern world.

He also said Cruz had "trouble with a girl" and that he believed the timing of the attack, on Valentine's Day, was not a coincidence.

Victoria Olvera, a 17-year-old junior, said Cruz was expelled last school year because he got into a fight with his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend. She said he had been abusive to the girl.

"I think everyone had in their minds if anybody was going to do it, it was going to be him," said Dakota Mutchler, also 17.

Cruz carried multiple magazines of ammunition when he was taken into custody without a fight, about an hour after the shooting in a neighborhood about a mile away, authorities said.

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1   Goran_K   2018 Feb 15, 11:13am  

It's ALMOST as if playing identity politics on hyper racist lines doesn't create an equal and opposing force.

Just like Jordan Peterson had predicted.
2   WookieMan   2018 Feb 15, 11:18am  

I thought I read he was of Cuban decent? Pretty sure white nationalist don't like those types either. I could be wrong, never met a white nationalist.

Tallahassee seems like a pretty long haul for a 19 year old that is also purchasing guns. Not sure, maybe he was pulling in $50k a year at 19 and had a car and gas money to get to Tallahassee. I'm also sure there are plenty of other white nationalist groups in Southern Florida where this idiot lived.

This seems far fetched without even doing any light lifting. Oh well, maybe I'm wrong.
3   bob2356   2018 Feb 15, 11:26am  

WookieMan says

This seems far fetched without even doing any light lifting.


The leader of the group announced this. Do you suppose he doesn't know what he is talking about somehow?

The picture of him I saw cruz was wearing a MAGA hat.
4   Patrick   2018 Feb 15, 11:27am  

I sometimes suspect that the recent obsession with racism in the press is a calculated strategy to keep us all divided so that we cannot effectively oppose elite domination of politics:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/princeton-scholar-demise-of-democracy-america-tpm-interview

The right answer is to unify as Americans, and stop talking about race :
www.youtube.com/embed/z2d2SzRZvsQ
5   Tenpoundbass   2018 Feb 15, 11:32am  

I'm the only Cracker in South Florida that isn't a full blown Libtard, White Supremacists in South Florida yeah right.
All of my White friends I had in the 80'[s and 90's as well as every acquaintance I had. All fled after Hurricane Andrew and the Latino population from South Miami moved to Broward.


But while we're talking about Biggot Crackers.

My Puerto Rican Grandson, from my Step Daughter. Informed my younger daughters, that he is being bullied at a 100% minority school there are no white people at this school. He's being bullied and called gay. Don't let the Liberals Lie they are the biggest bigoted racist cock suckers on the planet. All they do is freaking kill people. And hate.
7   WookieMan   2018 Feb 15, 12:02pm  

bob2356 says
The leader of the group announced this. Do you suppose he doesn't know what he is talking about somehow?


Can you believe ISIS every time they claim an attack? I know I don't. Any publicity is good publicity when you're ISIS or white nationalist.

To answer the question, he knows what he's doing (the white nationalist), but he's very likely lying to get some publicity. Again, I could be wrong. I'll own it when I see some evidence from someone not from this white nationalist group, close to 7 hours away from this kids town. Remember, it's southern Florida. There are/were likely dozens of groups substantially closer. Sorry, I don't buy the bill of good being sold in this article.

I'll give it another 24-48 hours before I just accept what I'm being fed.
8   anonymous   2018 Feb 15, 12:03pm  

sanatorium says
An orphaned 19-year-old who participated in paramilitary drills with a white nationalist group was charged with murder Thursday in the deaths of 17 people who were fatally shot at a huge Florida high school in the nation's deadliest school attack in five years.


"Neglected male youth, finds support in fringe group, and society at large pays hefty price."
9   WookieMan   2018 Feb 15, 12:09pm  

Sorry, I had to go back to this again. From the article:

Jordan Jereb told The Associated Press that did not know Cruz personally and that "he acted on his own behalf" and is "solely responsible for what he just did."


He also said Cruz had "trouble with a girl" and that he believed the timing of the attack, on Valentine's Day, was not a coincidence.


WTF? This guy or the article contradicts itself almost immediately. Did he know the fucking kid or not?

This is why I'm not buying this part of the article or the white nationalist line. Seems like shit journalism to me. It's pretty obvious it is in two of their own quotes!
10   dublin hillz   2018 Feb 15, 12:15pm  

WookieMan says
Again, I could be wrong. I'll own it when I see some evidence from someone not from this white nationalist group, close to 7 hours away from this kids town


The leader probably knew that there were some social media postings out there reflecting Nikolas Cruz's membership so he decided to perform PR damage control before things got worse for his cause.
11   dublin hillz   2018 Feb 15, 12:17pm  

WookieMan says
WTF? This guy or the article contradicts itself almost immediately. Did he know the fucking kid or not?

This is why I'm not buying this part of the article or the white nationalist line. Seems like shit journalism to me. It's pretty obvious it is in two of their own quotes!


Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive. Extremists love to pick certain dates for shock value. Why do you suppose Al Qaeda picked 9/11 for the plane attacks?
12   WookieMan   2018 Feb 15, 12:17pm  

dublin hillz says
The leader probably knew that there were some social media postings out there reflecting Nikolas Cruz's membership so he decided to perform PR damage control before things got worse for his cause.


I think we may have been posting at the same time. Check out my quotes from the OP's article. Did he know him or not? How would he know he's having trouble with a girl but in the previous quote to AP tell them he didn't know him. It can't be both.

Side note: white nationalists are bad. I don't like them. They can go fuck themselves. I'm just smelling some BS here is all.
13   WookieMan   2018 Feb 15, 12:20pm  

And DH, why the hell was he part of that specific group, 6+ hours away from his hometown? It's not impossible that what is being reported is true. There's really no logic to a 18-19 year joining a group, 6+ hours away. Leader of said group doesn't know him and then says he basically knows the motive of the attack. Sorry, I'm not buying it yet. I'll give it time as things get investigated.
14   Tenpoundbass   2018 Feb 15, 12:27pm  

Not much info on this so called White Nationalist group for it to be such a huge story in the Liberal hit machine press.
15   WookieMan   2018 Feb 15, 12:28pm  

dublin hillz says
Extremists love to pick certain dates for shock value. Why do you suppose Al Qaeda picked 9/11 for the plane attacks?


Totally agree. So I assume he was just making this part up then?

WookieMan says
He also said Cruz had "trouble with a girl"


Or was he making up he didn't know him?

The problem at this stage of the investigation is that police and reporters alike are going to comb over every possible lead they can. Some, heck maybe many, will be completely wrong. This seems like a white nationalist group trying to get some attention and it seems to be working.
16   Tenpoundbass   2018 Feb 15, 12:29pm  

I mean when we accuse Mosques and Imams of radicalizing the Left's media darlings. We provide address, pictures, quotes, organization's Fecebook page, Tweets the whole nine yards. While the media goes overtime suppressing it calling it fake news. At least we provide the news.

I have family in Tallahassee I will be getting to the bottom of this. I want to see sign in rosters. Lying sons of bitches!
17   WookieMan   2018 Feb 15, 12:42pm  

I'm not willing to call it fake yet though. There are 35 paragraphs/lines to the story. 4 are dedicated to this white nationalist thing. 2 of those 4 contradict themselves.

All I'm getting at is I'm suspect of the information. I'll wait and see. I'm not going to put much stock into 11% of the article in which 50% of that part contradicts itself.

I frankly hope the white nationalist part is true in a sense. If the AP is going to fuck something like this up then I truly am scared of the media and I'm not a trumpcuck. This would be a nasty mistake just jumping on some white nationalist saying it was over a girl, yet he didn't know him. Does the AP not proofread?
18   anonymous   2018 Feb 15, 4:02pm  

anon_20a16 says
"Neglected male youth, finds support in fringe group, and society at large pays hefty price."


This is why we need to ban guns, because it's always the gun's fault for the killings.
19   bob2356   2018 Feb 15, 5:16pm  

WookieMan says

I frankly hope the white nationalist part is true in a sense. If the AP is going to fuck something like this up then I truly am scared of the media and I'm not a trumpcuck. This would be a nasty mistake just jumping on some white nationalist saying it was over a girl, yet he didn't know him. Does the AP not proofread?



WTF? The leader of the group says the shooter trained with them. Reporters reported it. That's how news works. What's to proofread? What in your mind is fucked up about that?
22   WookieMan   2018 Feb 16, 9:02am  

bob2356 says
WTF? The leader of the group says the shooter trained with them. Reporters reported it. That's how news works. What's to proofread? What in your mind is fucked up about that?


Refresh the link. Story and headline updated. You proof read the quotes I put up earlier in this thread. The quotes the reporter decided to use in the original story contradicted each other, in the same article, one paragraph apart. I wish I had done a screen shot on it.

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/article200210944.html

I said it looked fishy and like lazy journalism and I was correct. The way this article was presented was total click bait and completely inaccurate without the reporters CONFIRMING the information they were given. You don't just report what you were told, especially with that serious of an allegation.

The story was literally dripping in diarrhea. I notice articles I'm reading today are leaving out the whole white nationalist thing and two morning shows I watched today didn't mention it at all.

From the updated story:

Jereb appeared to back away from his claim later Thursday. Someone posting under his name on Gab, a social media site popular with far-right extremists, complained about getting criticized over a "prank," claimed there was a "misunderstanding" and said he received "a bunch of conflicting information.


Again, white nationalist disclaimer, they are human pieces of garbage. The shooter is a human piece of garbage. These reporters didn't do their job and anyone that read the article saw that. Their mistake was sitting there right for anyone to see.

If it comes back that he was a white nationalist I'll eat my words and say I was wrong. Right now, I think my judgement was spot on. It's scary how quickly the media is jumping to inaccurate conclusions to frame a narrative. If this white nationalist thing just goes away, I'm seriously concerned for my kids. Over dramatic I know, but this appears to be pretty blatant attempt on their end to create a false narrative. There should be consequences for this stuff. Little too close to 1984 for my tastes.
23   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 16, 9:04am  

Talahassee Democrat; Law enforcement says no militia connection.

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/02/15/florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-member-white-nationalist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/
I notice it went from White Supremacist to Militia (which are not necessarily racist at all) to no connection at all.
24   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 16, 9:10am  

Tenpoundbass says


Hates Guns too; Attacks Jewish 2A Advocates. It's just another hard Left Front Group with interests far beyond 'racism'.
25   HappyGilmore   2018 Feb 16, 9:46am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Hates Guns too; Attacks Jewish 2A Advocates. It's just another hard Left Front Group with interests far beyond 'racism'.


God forbid--they have an interest in reducing mass shootings.
27   anonymous   2018 Feb 16, 11:08am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
I notice it went from White Supremacist to Militia (which are not necessarily racist at all) to no connection at all.


The "white supremacist" crap was deliberate trolling of the mainstream media, which absolutely loves to hype up bullshit which conforms to their narrative of bad whitey.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/02/15/4chan-trolled-the-media-and-it-may-not-matter/
28   bob2356   2018 Feb 16, 3:42pm  

WookieMan says
bob2356 says
WTF? The leader of the group says the shooter trained with them. Reporters reported it. That's how news works. What's to proofread? What in your mind is fucked up about that?


Refresh the link. Story and headline updated. You proof read the quotes I put up earlier in this thread. The quotes the reporter decided to use in the original story contradicted each other, in the same article, one paragraph apart. I wish I had done a screen shot on it.

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/article200210944.html

I said it looked fishy and like lazy journalism and I was correct. The way this article was presented was total click bait and completely inaccurate without the reporters CONFIRMING the information they were given. You don't just report what you were told, especially with that serious of an allegation.


Prosecutors make allegations not reporters. You can't make an allegation for something that is perfectly legal like training with a white supremest group. You could make an assertion which could be correct or incorrect.

This is all BS. Reporters report the story as it exists at the time. If new information comes in that changes the story the the new information is reported. Reporters do that every day. That's how reporting works. Unless you are fox news which is simply all opinion all the time.
29   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 16, 3:46pm  

Reporters traditionally have been reported to not use unnamed sources except in extreme circumstances and then only if backed by documents.

Now they talk to some schmucks on 4Chan and run with it because bias confirmation.
30   CBOEtrader   2018 Feb 16, 3:51pm  

WookieMan says
To answer the question, he knows what he's doing (the white nationalist), but he's very likely lying to get some publicity.


he backtracked his comment a few hours later. This is fake news
31   WookieMan   2018 Feb 16, 7:04pm  

bob2356 says
This is all BS. Reporters report the story as it exists at the time. If new information comes in that changes the story the the new information is reported. Reporters do that every day. That's how reporting works.


Cool. I fucked Melania Trump this morning. Guess what? These reporters would have reported it based on this patnet post. Their source was a white nationalist "social media" page/site. Probably not a whole lot different then patnet in the sense it's probably just a forum. Patnet likely has more traffic.

If that's your gold standard for journalism, cool. I'm cool with patnet, but not for reporters gathering info on one of the worst, non-war mass casualty events in our country. Not verifying it. Then contradicting themselves within a few sentences in the same article.

We can get bogged down in semantics. I don't give a shit about who is an attorney, prosecutor, allegations, ect. It was shitty reporting. We don't have to agree, but I'm not following the logic here. So yes, this is all BS, so I guess maybe we do agree.
33   FortWayne   2018 Feb 17, 9:29am  

He voted for Obama... therefore all Obama voters are potential school shooters?

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