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Things are good and getting even better


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2017 Dec 30, 3:57pm   5,520 views  30 comments

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Lots of good news! Nationally, the economy is on an upswing and crime is down in most cities.

Trump got elected in spite of (or maybe because of) elitist attempts to force Hillary on an unwilling electorate via control of the media and corruption in the DNC.

Globally, the population is nearing its peak and will stabilize as the birth and death rates converge:



Even if global warming is caused by fossil fuels, the cost of solar power will soon be less than the cost of oil, so people will stop using oil:



This will have the added benefit of cutting off funding to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and so reduce global terrorism.

Fear gets attention, so the media will always stoke fear, but overall, the world seems to be on the right track.

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#politics

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1   missing   2017 Dec 30, 5:38pm  

Patrick says
This will have the added benefit of cutting off funding to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and so reduce global terrorism.


I think it may have the opposite effect - cause more terrorism. There will be millions of young people living in abject poverty and no future. The people susceptible to terrorism are those who have nothing good in life to look forward to.
2   RWSGFY   2017 Dec 30, 5:44pm  

FP says
I think it may have the opposite effect - cause more terrorism. There will be millions of young people living in abject poverty and no future. The people susceptible to terrorism are those who have nothing good in life to look forward to.


Osama Bin-fucking-Laden belonged to a wealthy family. The 9/11 highjackers were middle-class and reasonably well educated. These fucks definitely had something good in life to look forward to.

Sorry, not buying the theory.
3   Rin   2017 Dec 30, 5:49pm  

Don't forget, sex robots are in development. We're definitely looking at a great future!
4   Ceffer   2017 Dec 30, 6:23pm  

Nothing quite like running down MillXYs, shivering on the curbs rattling tin cans, emblazoned with tats and purple/green/saffron hair, in a fully equipped, top of the line Bentley.

Thanks, Great Orange One!
5   missing   2017 Dec 30, 6:58pm  

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
Osama Bin-fucking-Laden belonged to a wealthy family.


He did not operate alone. The kids who get strapped with explosive belts are in the majority poor. The fighters for ISIS too.

People who have something to lose usually do not throw their lives away. That is why revolutions do not take place toady.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
Sorry, not buying the theory.


I can't care less if you, in particular, are buying it or not.
6   Patrick   2017 Dec 30, 7:09pm  

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9343/terrorism-poverty-despair
That was the result of extremely important Dutch research, led by a group of academics at the Erasmus University in Rotterdam. Terrorists seem to be models of successful integration: for instance, Mohammed Bouyeri, the Moroccan-Dutch terrorist who shot the filmmaker Theo van Gogh to death, then stabbed him and slit his throat in 2004. "He [Bouyeri] was a well-educated guy with good prospects," said Job Cohen, the Labor Party mayor of Amsterdam.
7   missing   2017 Dec 30, 7:39pm  

rando says
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9343/terrorism-poverty-despair


Wikipedia:
"The Gatestone Institute (formerly Stonegate Institute and Hudson New York) is a right-wing[2][3][4] think tank that publishes articles, particularly pertaining to Islam and the Middle East. The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles.[5][6][7] Gatestone was founded in 2012 by Nina Rosenwald, who serves as its president.[8] Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John R. Bolton is its chairman"
8   Patrick   2017 Dec 30, 7:59pm  

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/05/islamic-state-recruits-world-bank-study-education-boko-haram
Recruits to Islamic militant groups are likely to be well educated and relatively wealthy, with those aspiring to be suicide bombers among the best off, a study by the World Bank has found.
9   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Dec 30, 8:02pm  

So the Left Wing Mayor of Amsterdam didn't point out the assassin of Theo van Gogh was "well-educated guy with good prospects?"

Oh, and to anticipate a whinge (not from you FP). There's a difference between calling out a Model made by a think tank to either praise or demonize a policy they like or loathe, and a think tank quoting a person, particularly a person of a political stripe opposed to or at least not aligned with, their own.
10   missing   2017 Dec 30, 8:26pm  

I see. So make the muslims poorer and less educated, and they will hate us less and believe the mullahs less. Genius!
11   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Dec 30, 8:34pm  

FP says
I see. So make the muslims poorer and less educated, and they will hate us less and believe the mullahs less. Genius!


No, it's to point out the usual remedies offered by Liberals are not panaceas, given that many of the worst terrorist acts and organizations have plenty of rich, well-educated (inc. Western Educated like the late Muslim Brotherhood Booster and VIP Propagandist al-Qutb).individuals in them.

"If ONLY people were rich and educated, then all the world's problems will be solved!" No. Rich and Well-Educated people are perfectly capable of being ideologues, religious fanatics, or just plain evil greedbags.
12   missing   2017 Dec 30, 9:47pm  

TwoScoopsPlissken says

FP says
I see. So make the muslims poorer and less educated, and they will hate us less and believe the mullahs less. Genius!


No, it's to point out the usual remedies offered by Liberals are not panaceas...


No, this is not what this exchange was about. See my first comment to Patrick's post.

The question here was whether impoverishing the muslim countries will further or less radicalize their population. Patrick apparently thinks the latter, while I said it would be the former.

Or perhaps you think that regardless how radicalized they are, without oil money they will not be able to carry out terrorist acts? Maybe not 911, but how much money does one need to rent a truck and drive it into a crowd?
13   anonymous   2017 Dec 30, 10:29pm  

Patrick says
Trump got elected in spite of (or maybe because of) elitist attempts to force Hillary on an unwilling electorate via control of the media and corruption in the DNC.


Or maybe the elitests wanted to humiliate cankles and found a way to do it. Bill may even have helped them.
14   curious2   2017 Dec 31, 2:55am  

FP says
The people susceptible to terrorism....


vary depending on religion. Among Muslims, wealth and education increase the risk of terrorism.

@FP, you make a too common mistake, failing to recognize that different people want different things. Wealth and education give people more opportunities to do what they want to do. In Islam, the sole guaranteed path to paradise is to die fighting for Islam. Osama bin Laden was only one example of a larger pattern proved by empirical research. By his 20s, Osama had million$ and a university education, but his dad was more successful financially than Osama could realistically hope to be. So, how could Osama distinguish himself among 60+ siblings and outdo his dad? Islam answered that question, for Osama and too many others. You seem to try to empathize by putting yourself in the shoes of someone who shares your goals and motivations but is poor with no prospects; you fail to realize that other people have different motivations and goals.

Similarly, among Muslims who migrate to the west, the next generation (born in the west) are actually more lethal than their parents. Orlando and San Bernardino illustrate that pattern, also confirmed by empirical research.

The Saudi-sponsored Clintonian policies of subsidizing and empowering Islam and importing Muslims are precisely wrong for the west, designed deliberately by KSA to spread Islam.
15   Shaman   2017 Dec 31, 3:25am  

FP says
The question here was whether impoverishing the muslim countries will further or less radicalize their population. Patrick apparently thinks the latter, while I said it would be the former.


I’m seriously considering the question you pose here. I see two factors which contribute to Islamic terrorism.
1) Individual quest for significance (accomplish something greater than oneself. This seems to be the motivation of the educated and/or wealthy terrorists who are doing it for religious and personal pride.
2) Suicidal tendencies. Suicide is a sin in Islam. However, suicide in an attempt to send unbelievers to Allah for judgement makes one a martyr with paradise assured. For the depressed Muslim who has already decided to take his own life, this is a seductive route.

The first reason is not helped (obviously) by greater wealth and opportunity. Indeed, removing these factors (being impoverished) would tend to bump a would-be significance terrorist down a few pegs on Maslow’s hierarchy to just finding the basics of life and perhaps providing for ones family.

The second factor (suicide) is harder to judge, as suicidal thoughts can strike any level of society. Even wealthy kids or people are not immune to suicidal tendencies or depression. While it could be argued that a Muslim placed in an impossible situation by war or poverty could be driven to depression-suicide-terrorism, the same can be said of a first world Muslim who becomes depressive and suicidal.

I’d say that the only factor we can truly influence is the terror in search of significance. And this seems to increase with education (especially Islamic schooling) and means.
16   anonymous   2017 Dec 31, 10:27am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
"If ONLY people were rich and educated, then all the world's problems will be solved!" No. Rich and Well-Educated people are perfectly capable of being ideologues, religious fanatics, or just plain evil greedbags.


Yep. How many times have we read about poor people in 3rd world countries that are happier than americans. That they don't need psychiatrists,xanax, etc. Yet americans still equate happiness with money.
17   Rin   2017 Dec 31, 11:06am  

anon_713cd says
Yet americans still equate happiness with money.


Because money allows one to fly to Australia and legally fuck hoes! Try to do that, on financial aid.
18   Onvacation   2017 Dec 31, 11:22am  

Rin says


Because money allows one to fly to Australia and legally fuck hoes! Try to do that, on financial aid.

What was your message?
It's ok to sploog on the giant fake tits of someone you paid?
To each his own.
19   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Dec 31, 11:26am  

FP says

The question here was whether impoverishing the muslim countries will further or less radicalize their population


Most of the assholes and ring leaders are from the Gulf States, like Osama Bin Ladin. Hezbollah is believed to be the richest terror group in the world. Hamas is believed to be third.

Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, all in the top 20 GDP per capita states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

The Palestinians are awfully obese (not to mention fecund) for a people being "oppressed" and living in "Open Air Concentration Camps"


Palestinian Women are 5 steps up the Fat Ladder from American Women. WOW!
We all know Auschwitz had major obesity problems and record population growth.
20   Y   2017 Dec 31, 11:38am  

Onvacation says
Rin says


Because money allows one to fly to Australia and legally fuck hoes! Try to do that, on financial sick with aids.
21   missing   2017 Dec 31, 12:43pm  

curious2 says
vary depending on religion


This is beyond the point, george. We are not comparing different religions (in this thread), but the same(!) people - wealthier in one point of time and poorer in another.
22   Patrick   2017 Dec 31, 2:37pm  

It's interesting that the top two countries for female obesity are also the top two sponsors of Islamic terrorism:



Is there some causal connection?
23   anonymous   2017 Dec 31, 4:36pm  

rando says
Is there some causal connection?


Cover up my woman. I don't want you to see how fat she is ? Something like that ?
24   missing   2017 Dec 31, 4:40pm  

They like their women fat there.
25   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Dec 31, 5:06pm  

FP says
They like their women fat there.


And they have plenty of nuts, candies, and pastries to feed them with.
http://www.arabnews.com/node/326315
Guiness World Record attempts for deserts, just like at Buchenwald or with the Afrikaners in the Boer War.
26   Y   2017 Dec 31, 6:08pm  

Fify
anon_08dee says
Cover up my woman. I don't want you to see how fat she is ?
27   curious2   2017 Dec 31, 6:47pm  

FP says
curious2 says
vary depending on religion


This is beyond the point, george. We are not comparing different religions (in this thread), but the same(!) people - wealthier in one point of time and poorer in another.


Actually, Patrick, Quigley, and I provided empirical data, illustrative examples, and cogent analysis addressing precisely the point: among Muslims, wealth and education are risk factors for terrorism. If you can find another religion where the same pattern applies, please link data.

You don't, however, link data. Instead, you deny what's on the screen in front of you, and call me a monkey, i.e. Curious George, in a juvenile attempt to bully me by making fun of my screen name. It doesn't work, but it does make me wonder what FP stands for.

Based on the fact you seem to expect to fool people, but end up fooling only yourself, I might guess FP = Foolish Person. That doesn't quite cover it though, because you have a sharp sense of your own short-term self-interest in spreading Islam, i.e. you know who butters your bread. You have already more than enough bread and butter, however, so the motivation for unpaid overtime on PatNet suggests more to the story. I wonder what might make you want to spread a religion that is associated with obesity, but that prohibits eating pork. Perhaps FP = Fat Pig. That would also explain the juvenile name-calling, since juvenile bullies tend to be fat, and to remain fat throughout life.

So, in the holiday spirit of doing unto others as you would have done unto you, I invite you to keep calling me a curious monkey, so long as I can call you a Fat Pig. For example, consider the following sentence: in every exchange so far between the Curious Monkey and the Fat Pig, the monkey seems more clever, while the Fat Pig seems merely objectionable.

Happy New Year.
28   missing   2017 Dec 31, 7:27pm  

Georgie, don't get a heart attack now.
29   curious2   2017 Dec 31, 7:52pm  

FP says
Georgie, don't get a heart attack now.


Thanks Fatty, but do you have anything substantive to add to the discussion at hand, or are you merely trying to drag the site down to your level by trolling? I do wish you and obese Muslims luck in losing weight next year, but maybe 'fat and prosperous' was the look you were going for, consistent with the OP, "Things are good...."

On that point, I think the President's tweets and SCOTUS upholding the President's travel bans sent a clear message to the sponsors of Islamic terrorism: when Muslims attack the west in the name of Islam, the President can and will respond directly against Islam itself, as he should.

Similarly, the President and his critics have sent a doubly persuasive message to North Korea. Former JCS chair Admiral Mullen echoed the President's UN address, thus amplifying the message.

If you want to find fault with the OP, you might look rather in the areas of deficits and the judiciary, if you can lift yourself up from calling people names.
30   anonymous   2018 Jan 1, 6:20am  

On that point, I think the President's tweets and SCOTUS upholding the President's travel bans sent a clear message to the sponsors of Islamic terrorism: when Muslims attack the west in the name of Islam, the President can and will respond directly against Islam itself, as he should.

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