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1   RC2006   2017 Dec 20, 4:43pm  

Good Europe needs a severe cold spike to clean the place up. Bring it on Höðr freeze the invaders.
2   Ceffer   2017 Dec 20, 4:45pm  

Al Gore is thinking "ice chilled vodka"!
3   anonymous   2017 Dec 20, 5:00pm  

“Our computers...” Err, this is a Zerohedge piece taken from some site called ArmstrongEconomics.com. Why would you post this up rather than a link to actual scientific research?
4   mmmarvel   2017 Dec 20, 5:09pm  

There ya go, global warming ... er, climate change ... er, climate evolution at work. We need to find something to tax and blame mankind for ... OBVIOUSLY we are to blame for this.
5   mell   2017 Dec 20, 5:22pm  

anon_6ae12 says
“Our computers...” Err, this is a Zerohedge piece taken from some site called ArmstrongEconomics.com. Why would you post this up rather than a link to actual scientific research?


Yeah but there are references to recent NASA studies in the piece. The future is looking a bit cooler now, even in the mainstream.
6   anonymous   2017 Dec 20, 8:51pm  

mell says
anon_6ae12 says
“Our computers...” Err, this is a Zerohedge piece taken from some site called ArmstrongEconomics.com. Why would you post this up rather than a link to actual scientific research?


Yeah but there are references to recent NASA studies in the piece. The future is looking a bit cooler now, even in the mainstream.

Solar minimum is an eleven year cycle. This isn’t a once in a thousand year event or the like. He is trying to influence readers by peddling the name of NASA without actually attempting to accurately represent their findings. Rather, he has used a cherry picked headline grabber to peddle an investment piece. Par for the course for ZeroHedge.
7   Onvacation   2017 Dec 21, 7:38am  

2017 is set to be one of the warmest years on record; number two. Oh wait, 2017 is the third warmest year in recorded history! Oh wait, 2017 is going to be in the top five warmest years EVER!

There.

Who still wants to argue that co2 warms the planet and it's not the sun?
8   HappyGilmore   2017 Dec 21, 7:49am  

Onvacation says
Who still wants to argue that co2 warms the planet and it's not the sun?


Actually nobody argues that CIC
9   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Dec 21, 7:51am  

For me, the main problem is Proxies. They can't be checked short of building HG Wells' Time Machine and taking readings with sensitive thermometers. If they distort readings by even a hair of 1-2%, it completely changes the debate, esp. when temperatures are involved.

Here's one way Ice Core samples are tainted - bacteria have been found living and active and conducting chemical activity deep in the Ice Core Samples.
http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/124852/1/Redeker.pdf
Concentrations of trace gases trapped in ice are considered to develop uniquely from direct snow/atmosphere interactions at the time of contact. This assumption relies upon limited or no biological, chemical or physical transformations occurring during transition from snow to firn to ice; a process that can take decades to complete. Here, we present the first evidence of environmental alteration due to in situ microbial metabolism of trace gases (methyl halides and dimethyl sulphide) in Polar snow. We collected evidence for ongoing microbial metabolism from an Arctic and an Antarctic location during different years. Methyl iodide production in the snowpack decreased significantly after exposure to enhanced UV radiation. Our results also show large variations in the production and consumption of other methyl halides, including methyl bromide and methyl chloride, used in climate interpretations. These results suggest that this long neglected microbial activity could constitute a potential source of error in climate history interpretations, by introducing a so far unappreciated source of bias in the quantification of atmospheric+derived trace gases trapped within the Polar ice caps.


That's not even getting into the debate of CO2 being distorted by low temperatures and compression and frozen air pockets and granulation of old snow into ice 'pellets' and so on and so on and so on.
10   Onvacation   2017 Dec 21, 9:27am  

HappyGilmore says
Onvacation says
Who still wants to argue that co2 warms the planet and it's not the sun?


Actually nobody argues that CIC

You are right about co2. You are wrong about cic.

Who still wants to argue that limiting co2 will stop the planet from warming?
11   HappyGilmore   2017 Dec 21, 9:28am  

Onvacation says
Who still wants to argue that limiting co2 will stop the planet from warming?


Anyone who reads and has an IQ above 120 probably. The greenhouse effect of CO2 is well documented and established.
12   Onvacation   2017 Dec 21, 9:32am  

HappyGilmore says
The greenhouse effect of CO2 is well documented and established.

Then why is the temp not rising as the co2 is increasing?
Earth would be an ice ball without the greenhouse effect. More co2 would be good for life on earth. Get your facts straight.
13   WookieMan   2017 Dec 21, 9:43am  

@Patrick - Can we just ban climate change threads? Even if the science is 100% true, there's nothing we're doing or can do to stop it. So we get these stupid back and forth arguments that don't matter if you think about it.

My request probably won't be granted likely, but my opposition to climate change threads should be duly noted god dammit. Both sides of the argument are literally pissing away time that could be devoted to something much more constructive or actually presenting a different topic that actually may have a solution. But instead, let's talk about something that would literally require us to live like cavemen to solve... not happening.
14   Onvacation   2017 Dec 21, 9:48am  

HappyGilmore says
probably

Maybe?
This is the problem with most climate alarmist, they want to believe in models of a chaotic multi-variable system when real scientists know that it is not even possible to predict next months weather.

Cue the alarmist explanation of the difference between climate and weather.
15   Onvacation   2017 Dec 21, 9:51am  

WookieMan says
let's talk about something that would literally require us to live like cavemen to solve... not happening.

It's not about the environment it's about control. The alarmists are scaring children. Somebody has to point out their bs.

And the environment is probably more important than dog sex changes and in flight blow jobs.
16   anonymous   2017 Dec 21, 10:40am  

mell says
The future is looking a bit cooler now,


Virtually no sunspots:

17   anonymous   2017 Dec 21, 10:41am  

Onvacation says
Who still wants to argue that co2 warms the planet and it's not the sun?


This statement shows you don't know what you are talking about. Nobody has ever argued that the sun does not provide the heat to warm the planet. If you thought that was what people are saying then it shows you don't listen to what they are saying.

Unless you are a scientist I think we really shouldn't listen to what you and sniper have to say because all you're doing is parroting back what others say. Your fight is so fierce it's seems you might even be paid to do this.
18   Heraclitusstudent   2017 Dec 21, 10:55am  

Onvacation says
Who still wants to argue that co2 warms the planet and it's not the sun?


Direct measures providing INCONTROVERTIBLE proofs that the CO2 warms the planet and not the sun:
1 - out bound earth radiations measured by satellites since 70s diminishing in spectrum absorbed by CO2
2 - low atmosphere temperatures increasing more than high elevation temperatures. The opposite would be true if the sun was responsible.
3 - night temperatures increasing more than day temperatures. The opposite would be true if the sun was responsible. Well sorry greenhouse effect works at night too.
4 - polar temperatures increasing more than tropic temperatures. The opposite would be true if the sun was responsible.
5 - winter temperatures increasing more than summer temperatures. The opposite would be true if the sun was responsible.
etc, etc...

Continue to live in your bubble.
19   marcus   2017 Dec 21, 11:27am  

This is rubbish for the relatively illiterate.

If you read this and understand it you will get that he's talking about a cooling cycle that happened once since 2008, a period over which we experienced global warming.

In other words, what he seems to be talking about is a "cooling" which if he's right can at best dampen the warming (a little) that is occurring for the next few years. The bigger cycle he's talking about, if he's even right changes very slowly and is far less relevant than the changes that occur over the short cylces, and we have all experienced how little those (bigger fluctuations) affect climate.
20   anonymous   2017 Dec 21, 11:33am  

anon_961a0 says
Onvacation says
Who still wants to argue that co2 warms the planet and it's not the sun?


This statement shows you don't know what you are talking about. Nobody has ever argued that the sun does not provide the heat to warm the planet. If you thought that was what people are saying then it shows you don't listen to what they are saying.

Unless you are a scientist I think we really shouldn't listen to what you and sniper have to say because all you're doing is parroting back what others say. Your fight is so fierce it's seems you might even be paid to do this.


What is the ideal temperature for a Republican to bead up with sweat, fretting over all the tranny sex they’re missing out on?
21   Onvacation   2017 Dec 21, 11:42am  

Heraclitusstudent says

Direct measures providing INCONTROVERTIBLE proofs that the CO2 warms the planet and not the sun:


anon_961a0 says
This statement shows you don't know what you are talking about. Nobody has ever argued that the sun does not provide the heat to warm the planet.


Nobody? Ever?
22   Onvacation   2017 Dec 21, 11:48am  

anon_961a0 says
Unless you are a scientist I think we really shouldn't listen to what you and sniper have to say

I am a scientist and I have enough education to understand the literature and deduce that the science is far from settled.

And one does not have to listen to anyone that does not parrot their beliefs, but if they did, they might learn something.
23   Onvacation   2017 Dec 21, 11:49am  

Heraclitusstudent says
winter temperatures increasing more than summer temperatures. The opposite would be true if the sun was responsible.
etc, etc...

So how much has the winter temp increased?
24   MrMagic   2017 Dec 21, 1:16pm  

anon_961a0 says
Nobody has ever argued that the sun does not provide the heat to warm the planet.


Really, this guy just did:

Heraclitusstudent says
Direct measures providing INCONTROVERTIBLE proofs that the CO2 warms the planet and not the sun:


Next!!!
25   Patrick   2017 Dec 21, 7:44pm  

WookieMan says
@Patrick - Can we just ban climate change threads? Even if the science is 100% true, there's nothing we're doing or can do to stop it. So we get these stupid back and forth arguments that don't matter if you think about it.


@WookieMan how about we put them all in a #climatechange topic? Then you could just ignore that topic.
26   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2017 Dec 21, 7:57pm  

Why do we need an artist redition of the sun? That's not even a real image of the sun.
27   MrMagic   2017 Dec 21, 8:05pm  

Tenpoundbass says
Why do we need an artist redition of the sun? That's not even a real image of the sun.


Actually it is, but there are more here:

http://www.solarham.net/
Pick one.
28   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2017 Dec 22, 9:49am  

Sniper says
Actually it is, but there are more here:


On this page you will find the latest solar imagery


Here's a chart from Wiki on sunspots since the early 70's. It looks like there wasn't much ativity around 76 then again in 85
Here's an actual image taken two years ago.
29   Onvacation   2017 Dec 22, 10:15am  

HEYYOU says
Those that understand can explain it to those that don't.

Sure. I can explain it to you.

Greenhouse gasses, mostly water vapor, traps the heat from the sun and stops the earth from becoming an icy ball in space. After the temp rising slightly over the last century we are now going into a solar minimum where there will not be as much solar heat to warm our world.

If we are lucky the cooling will be minimal.
30   anonymous   2017 Dec 22, 10:21am  

HEYYOU says
Remove greenhouse gasses & let's see how warm the planet stays with just sunlight.


You want to remove the most abundant greenhouse gas, water vapor?

Please explain why overnight temperatures are warmer on cloudy nights versus clear nights. Is that because of CO2?
31   HeadSet   2017 Dec 22, 10:45am  

As many educated Pat netters know, (complete) burning a hydrocarbon releases 2 major green house gases - carbon dioxide and water vapor. These hydrocarbons were produced over the eons by plants taking carbon dioxide out of the air and combining with water to build plant matter that eventually formed coal, natural gas, petroleum, etc. When these hydrocarbons are burned, they are putting back into the air carbon dioxide and water vapor taken from the air long ago.

Since water vapor is more of a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, why do we only hear of a "carbon footprint" and not a "hydro footprint?"

Since burning hydrocarbons removes oxygen from the air that was put in by plants over eons, why do we not hear about "oxygen depletion?"

Maybe "hydro footprint" and "oxygen depletion" will be the follow up arguments to "global cooling," "nuclear winter," "global warming," and "climate change."
32   MrMagic   2017 Dec 22, 7:19pm  

HeadSet says
When these hydrocarbons are burned, they are putting back into the air carbon dioxide and water vapor taken from the air long ago.


Hmmm, just completing a cycle.

Why haven't any of the "Alarmists" chimed in on these facts with their rebuttals?
33   MrMagic   2017 Dec 22, 7:21pm  

HeadSet says
Since water vapor is more of a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, why do we only hear of a "carbon footprint" and not a "hydro footprint?"


Because it's not as glamorous and not taxable.
34   WatermelonUniversity   2017 Dec 22, 11:50pm  

What now, “global cooling” ?

I can Gore is brainstorming new ideas for his new book on this. This time it would be wise to avoid predictions that can be proven wrong in the near future, especially if it happens when he’s still alive.
35   MrMagic   2017 Dec 23, 8:27am  

BorderPatrol says
What now, “global cooling” ?


Like that never happened before?
36   mell   2017 Dec 23, 8:44am  

"Freeze warnings issued as cold sets in on San Francisco Bay Area"

So far this winter is on the dry (but not drought) side, and pretty cold on the west coast. You don't want that maunder minimum to happen, fake global warming is a cakewalk compared to what's in store with a maunder minimum.
37   anonymous   2017 Dec 23, 8:49am  

Onvacation says
HEYYOU says
Those that understand can explain it to those that don't.

Sure. I can explain it to you.

Greenhouse gasses, mostly water vapor, traps the heat from the sun and stops the earth from becoming an icy ball in space. After the temp rising slightly over the last century we are now going into a solar minimum where there will not be as much solar heat to warm our world.

If we are lucky the cooling will be minimal.

You appear to be trying to mislead with that statement or simply don’t know what the solar minimum is.
38   anonymous   2017 Dec 23, 8:49am  

Sniper says
HeadSet says
When these hydrocarbons are burned, they are putting back into the air carbon dioxide and water vapor taken from the air long ago.


Hmmm, just completing a cycle.

Why haven't any of the "Alarmists" chimed in on these facts with their rebuttals?

You have to laugh.
39   Onvacation   2017 Dec 23, 9:24am  

anon_6ae12 says
don’t know what the solar minimum is.

Solar minimum is the period of least solar activity in the 11 year solar cycle of the sun. During this time, sunspot and solar flare activity diminishes, and often does not occur for days at a time. This causes the sun to radiate less heat.

So what do YOU think the solar minimum is?
40   mell   2017 Dec 23, 9:29am  

Onvacation says
anon_6ae12 says
don’t know what the solar minimum is.

Solar minimum is the period of least solar activity in the 11 year solar cycle of the sun. During this time, sunspot and solar flare activity diminishes, and often does not occur for days at a time. This causes the sun to radiate less heat.

So what do YOU think the solar minimum is?


That's exactly what it is and it blows away any "man-made" warming, eventually leading to a mini ice-age. You don't want that.

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