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1   rocketjoe79   2017 Nov 27, 6:19pm  

This is scary.
2   Strategist   2017 Nov 27, 6:32pm  

I'm willing to bet atheists are least likely to fall for the homeopathy, herbal, witch doctor, and all the other nonsense.
3   NuttBoxer   2017 Nov 28, 10:40am  

The fucking balls on that article. Anyone who thinks that radiating your internal organs, and dying 3 years after "recovery" isn't quackery should be forced to undergo said "treatment" themselves. My mother has had cancer, and has undergone surgery to remove it, but is alive and well today because she made dramatic changes in her diet.
4   Strategist   2017 Nov 28, 11:21am  

NuttBoxer says

The fucking balls on that article. Anyone who thinks that radiating your internal organs, and dying 3 years after "recovery" isn't quackery should be forced to undergo said "treatment" themselves. My mother has had cancer, and has undergone surgery to remove it, but is alive and well today because she made dramatic changes in her diet.


I think it was because of the surgery that she is alive and well.
5   NDrLoR   2017 Nov 28, 11:42am  

Strategist says
homeopathy, herbal, witch doctor,
"They’re also into outright unproven and disproven mumbo-jumbo, including homeopathy." There was a recent obit in the Dallas Morning News about a man in his early 50's who about 20 years took up the cause of homeopathy to the nth degree and I couldn't help but wonder if he used his own "medicine".
6   anonymous   2017 Nov 28, 12:52pm  

Speaking of unproven or disproven mumbo-jumbo, does that include the majority of practices and procedures currently performed in mainstream medicine and healthcare here in the states?

@curious2 has posted many links showing that more than half of all procedures are less effective/more harmful than doing nothing at all.

And people wonder why healthcare is so expensive. How many people are prescribed antibiotics every year, as treatment for viral infections! WTF

the CDC warns that 90% of upper respiratory infections, including children's ear infections, are viral, and antibiotics don't treat viral infection, yet more than half of all patients are still prescribed antibiotics to treat viral infections! This causes great harm to everyone as it breeds resistance to the antibiotics by using them unnecessarily.


The US OTA reports that only 10-20% of all procedures currently used in medical practices are supported by controlled clinical studies.

Maybe @MMR can chime in, or maybe @Patrick chased them away as well
7   NDrLoR   2017 Nov 28, 2:15pm  

errc says
and antibiotics don't treat viral infection
That's a waste of antibiotics but it doesn't make then less effective towards their proper targets, bacterial infections when used properly.
8   anonymous   2017 Nov 28, 3:31pm  

Rising drug resistance is caused mainly by use of antimicrobials in humans and other animals, and spread of resistant strains between the two.[7] Antibiotics increase selective pressure in bacterial populations, causing vulnerable bacteria to die; this increases the percentage of resistant bacteria which continue growing. With resistance to antibiotics becoming more common there is greater need for alternative treatments. Calls for new antibiotic therapies have been issued, but new drug development is becoming rarer.[11]

Antimicrobial resistance is on the rise. Estimates are that 700,000 to several million deaths result per year.[12][13] Each year in the United States, at least 2 million people become infected with bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics and at least 23,000 people die as a result

Resistant microbes are more difficult to treat, requiring alternative medications or higher doses, both of which may be more expensive or more toxic.

Simply using antibiotics creates resistance. These drugs should only be used to manage infections.
9   anonymous   2017 Nov 28, 3:31pm  

From the WHO

Antibiotic resistance is one of the biggest threats to global health, food security, and development today.
Antibiotic resistance can affect anyone, of any age, in any country.
Antibiotic resistance occurs naturally, but misuse of antibiotics in humans and animals is accelerating the process.
A growing number of infections – such as pneumonia, tuberculosis, gonorrhoea, and salmonellosis – are becoming harder to treat as the antibiotics used to treat them become less effective.
Antibiotic resistance leads to longer hospital stays, higher medical costs and increased mortality.
10   NuttBoxer   2017 Nov 29, 1:13pm  

Strategist says
I think it was because of the surgery that she is alive and well.


Because you know more about my Mother's health than I do, obviously. How fucking arrogant are you?
11   NuttBoxer   2017 Nov 29, 1:14pm  

Strategist says
I think it was because of the surgery that she is alive and well.


Because cancer comes out of nowhere, and never grows back, right...
12   curious2   2017 Nov 30, 12:58am  

errc says
curious2 has posted many links showing that more than half of all [American medical spending goes to waste, fraud, and abuse, and many] procedures are less effective/more harmful than doing nothing at all.


FTFY. I haven't posted links showing how many different procedures there are, nor how many of each are done, and I don't know exactly what percentage by either measure are worse than nothing. The Institute of Medicine calculated 30% of American spending goes to waste, fraud, and abuse, and others have published higher estimates, and I feel confident estimating more than 50% of American medical spending goes to waste, fraud, and abuse.
13   Rin   2017 Nov 30, 5:21am  

errc says
Rising drug resistance is caused mainly by use of antimicrobials in humans and other animals, and spread of resistant strains between the two.[7] Antibiotics increase selective pressure in bacterial populations, causing vulnerable bacteria to die; this increases the percentage of resistant bacteria which continue growing. With resistance to antibiotics becoming more common there is greater need for alternative treatments. Calls for new antibiotic therapies have been issued, but new drug development is becoming rarer.[11]

Antimicrobial resistance is on the rise. Estimates are that 700,000 to several million deaths result per year.[12][13] Each year in the United States, at least 2 million people become infected with bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics and at least 23,000 people die as a result


Considering that the active antibacterial agent in Garlic, Allicin, has been scientifically proven to kill countless pathogens, here one paper,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29126733

and there are dozens of others out there,

how come so many internal medicine doctors don't even know about it?

Simple ... it's a vitamin/supplement, not so-called medicine.

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