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Hashtag - Take the Knee


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2017 Sep 25, 7:02am   7,253 views  44 comments

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There’s a lot to complain about in this deranged Republic — if it even still is one — but the burdens of being a multimillionaire football player would not be at the top of my list. Personally, I find it a little peculiar that we have to play the national anthem before any sporting event. All it really shows is how insecure we are as a nation that we have to display our love of country in this obsessive manner. Same with congressmen and their stupid flag lapel pins, or the flag in front of Denny’s chain restaurant. Are eaters of the “lumberjack slam” so disoriented when they leave the place that they need to be reminded what country they’re in? “Oh, look hon, were in the USA after all….”

What burns my ass is seeing baseball players in camo uniforms, as if they were an extension of the US military. What’s up with that? Is San Diego suddenly a theater of war? And why do US soldiers need to wear camo uniforms when shopping for eyeglasses? There used to be a distinction between battle dress and what you wore the rest of the time, even during a world war. And why on earth is it necessary to fly Air Force fighter jets over the stadium before the Super Bowl? Who authorizes the spend for that? Who are we trying to scare?

Of course, this new gale of ill-feeling stirred up by our intemperate president, the Golden Golem of Greatness, is driven by the oceanic currents of racial animus that are drowning the country more ruinously than the recent spate of hurricanes. The #Take the Knee campaign was already there, and getting hotter, even before Mr. Trump chimed in. At least he didn’t issue the usual sort of vapid nostrum about “diversity” and all of us getting along. In his blunt, blundering way, he may force the nation to clarify exactly what the beef is.

Surely it’s not about the woes of professional athletes. They are representing the grievances of a different realm in black America, perhaps the places they came from, the city ghettos or the rural backwaters of Dixieland, or maybe even boring black suburbs like Prince George County, Maryland. And the lingering question, to be equally blunt, is: how much is non-black America keeping black America down?


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1   MrMagic   2017 Sep 25, 7:12am  

Take a knee.

What these clowns don't realize is by kneeling down, it's a sign of respect or submission. What did people do back during the Roman empire? They kneeled before the King.

Trump is winning. Again. These stupid porch monkeys are pwned.
2   Dan8267   2017 Sep 25, 7:23am  

anonymous says
All it really shows is how insecure we are as a nation that we have to display our love of country in this obsessive manner.


It's worst than that. It's brainwashing no different from any other cult.

me123 says

What these clowns don't realize is by kneeling down, it's a sign of respect or submission.


Kneeling before the national anthem is the most respectful way to protest the slaughter of innocent people by the government. If they had done any other kind of protest, the opposition would accuse them of disrespect for the country. They are still called unpatriotic by the hypocritical conservative right precisely because they are bringing awareness to the injustices of the court system and the police.

There is nothing more patriotic than taking a stand for the powerless in your country. There is nothing more unpatriotic than condemning your countrymen who take such a stand. Those condemning the NFL players taking a knee are the most Unamerican people in our society, and Donald Trump is one of them.

Professional athletes are role models. It's about damn time they used that power for good. This is the first time the NFL or any sport has made a concerted effort to use its popularity for good. Anyone condemning them for this is a scumbag.
3   Tenpoundbass   2017 Sep 25, 7:47am  

Nothing would chill my gimlet more than to see all Pro Sports franchise fail.
They have turned into nothing but Thug Glorifiers.
4   Dan8267   2017 Sep 25, 7:55am  

Tenpoundbass says
They have turned into nothing but Thug Glorifiers.


Thug is code for nigger. People who use that code deserve no respect.
www.youtube.com/embed/JLwliPIN3vg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER0eQwzu2lo
5   HEY YOU   2017 Sep 25, 8:07am  

Just read this on JHK's site.
The title is too long.
"Infantiles" would suffice.

Tenpoundbass says
Nothing would chill my gimlet more than to see all Pro Sports franchise fail.
They have turned into nothing but Thug Glorifiers.


How many stadiums,fields & courts have been built on the taxpayers' dollar?
Too bad taxpayers are so stupid. How many of the average citizens benefit from this Socialism?
6   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Sep 25, 8:27am  

Nothing says Unity than a political protest aimed at the National Anthem of the entire country at the beginning of a sporting event.

Ignorance is Strength!
War is Peace!
Unity is Divisiveness!
7   anonymous   2017 Sep 25, 8:12pm  

Dan8267 says
protest the slaughter of innocent people by the government.


Exactly. This isn't about the great trials of millionaire athletes in America. It's about Trump finding something to be a cunt about and then jack off to the camera.
8   mell   2017 Sep 25, 8:15pm  

I always think of a muay thai style knee into the ribs when I hear take a knee.
9   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Sep 25, 8:36pm  

What does this mean when everyone agrees and takes the knee? Is everyone protesting everyone?

So unbelievably fucking stupid.
10   Dan8267   2017 Sep 25, 8:39pm  

Fucking White Male says
So unbelievably fucking stupid.


Translation: You are scared that the NFL athletes are having a significant effect on public opinion. If it were really silly, you would not be attacking it. It would not even be on your radar.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as being self-evident.

You have just demonstrated stage one.
11   Dan8267   2017 Sep 25, 10:33pm  

Name one negative thing about the public being conscious of criminal cops.
12   anonymous   2017 Sep 26, 6:31am  

Trump isn't picking up any new fan children with this nonsense. He's got to be losing them. Dan's right. Trump is demonstrating unpatriotic stupidity, nothing else.
13   anonymous   2017 Sep 26, 8:14am  

white lives don't matter movement.
14   Dan8267   2017 Sep 26, 8:40am  

anonymous says
white lives don't matter movement.


A straw man argument made only by assholes.

There may be a few psychopaths in every tribe that say lives of group X don't matter, but they are damn rare.

Only a complete fucking assholes says that "black lives matter implies that white lives don't". It's a damn racist thing to say, piggy.
15   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Sep 26, 10:31am  

anonymous says
Trump isn't picking up any new fan children with this nonsense. He's got to be losing them. Dan's right. Trump is demonstrating unpatriotic stupidity, nothing else.


No Low T badly bearded males or problem glasses fat females (even though Sunday Football is a great excuse to eat more) are joining the NFL viewership.

Tons of Middle Aged Men are dumping it. The ones with money to spend and the target market.
16   anonymous   2017 Sep 26, 1:57pm  

Tons of Middle Aged Men are dumping it. The ones with money to spend and the target market.

----------

Tons?

Because of this Anthem nonsense, or because of everything else but the Anthem nonsense that's wrong with the NFL?

What, pray tell, do you think they will do instead?

The only other forums I participate in regularly, besides housing, are sports/wagering sites. The usual mindless right wingers are threatening the same toothless bullshit.

I'm not uncertain that this will be more helpful than harmful for the NFL. 100%
17   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Sep 26, 6:46pm  

Dan8267 says
Fucking White Male says
So unbelievably fucking stupid.


Translation: You are scared that the NFL athletes are having a significant effect on public opinion. If it were really silly, you would not be attacking it. It would not even be on your radar.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as being self-evident.

You have just demonstrated stage one.


Awfully hard for it not to be on anyone's radar with the media running it 24/7.

And I'd love to argue further on the validity of the movement taking a knee, but I still don't understand what is being protested. I don't think most of the athletes know either.
18   WookieMan   2017 Sep 26, 8:17pm  

Dan8267 says
Translation: You are scared that the NFL athletes are having a significant effect on public opinion

That Trump is an ass? Sure, I could agree with you there. That I think is what most of this is about.

98% of these players have no idea what any of this is about or at least what it originally was about. And it's not that they are simple idiots, which most of them are. Many are wealthy and simply don't have time for this shit. They just want to go to the club, bar, baseball game, etc. They want to get their game check and then have fun. To think they're thinking of anything else besides themselves is rather naive. This is what most people do, so I'm not sure why people think athletes are any different. Know a professional athlete/coach and I guess you see it from a different perspective.
19   Dan8267   2017 Sep 26, 10:20pm  

Fucking White Male says
but I still don't understand what is being protested.


WookieMan says
That Trump is an ass? Sure, I could agree with you there. That I think is what most of this is about.


Dan8267 says
The NFL player's message is "Cops need to stop committing murder, rape, and terrorism, and the courts need to prosecute cops who commit crimes.". This is the one and ONLY message the NFL players are sending. If you hear anything else, that's a problem with you listening to the message, not a problem with what they are saying.


I really can't dumb it down any more than that. If you still don't understand the message, then you are choosing not to understand it.
20   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Sep 26, 11:26pm  

#1. courts don't initiate prosecution
#2. Cops who commit crimes are in fact prosecuted(and convicted).
#3. Very very few cops murder and rape.
#4. I'm not convinced NFL players taking a knee are protesting any of the above, nor am I convinced they understand what I just posted or why.
21   MrMagic   2017 Sep 27, 8:01am  

Fucking White Male says
I'm not convinced NFL players taking a knee are protesting any of the above, nor am I convinced they understand what I just posted or why.


That's been the consensus view by people paying attention. Hardly any of these players taking a knee have made any statements on twitter, FB or given interviews on why they are kneeling and the reasons..

They are just kneeing, just because.
22   FortWayne   2017 Sep 27, 8:05am  

White lives don't matter movement keeps going, liberal hatred has no limits
23   Dan8267   2017 Sep 27, 8:11am  

Fucking White Male says
#1. courts don't initiate prosecution


Judges and prosecutors most certainly do protect criminal cops and terrorists. They have throughout American history. You are whitewashing our history and that is unpatriotic.

Fucking White Male says
#2. Cops who commit crimes are in fact prosecuted(and convicted).


Empirical false. There are countless examples. I have cited plenty of them.

Fucking White Male says
#3. Very very few cops murder and rape.


Even if true, this is irrelevant. Very few men murder and rape, but those who do should be prosecuted. That is the entire point of the protest.

Furthermore, almost every cop conspires to obstruct justice and harbor these felons. It's called the blue wall of silence. This makes them all guilty of a crime. It is no different than thwarting the CIA efforts to stop a terrorist attack. If you do shit like that, you are guilty. Conspiracy is a damn serious crime and should be.

Fucking White Male says
#4. I'm not convinced NFL players taking a knee are protesting any of the above, nor am I convinced they understand what I just posted or why.


What you believe is irrelevant. I sincerely doubt anything would convince you anyway.

The fact is that the protesters have very explicitly explained the message of their protest. Cops need to stop committing murder, rape, and terrorism, and the courts need to prosecute cops who commit crimes. It's that fucking simple. Anyone who condemns these protests had better give a damn good reason why that statement is wrong or they reveal themselves as anti-American bigots who don't give a shit about their fellow Americans. Such people deserve zero respect. The NFL players are protesting the grave injustices being inflicted on one in eight Americans. If you have any patriotism, one in eight Americans being forced to suffer like this would upset you and these protests would not.
24   Dan8267   2017 Sep 27, 1:01pm  

FortWayne says
White lives don't matter movement keeps going, liberal hatred has no limits


Conservatives rape babies to death. FortWayne, if you are going to lie why stop at ludicrous?
25   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Sep 28, 10:10am  

Kaepernick's first example of Police Brutality was that Cops receive their contracted salary while a use of force situation is being investigated, and they haven't been charged with any crime. What Injustice!

At the time Kaepernick was interviewed in late August 2016, a ("White-passing")Hispanic Cop named Jeronimo Yanez in Minnesota had just shot a Black Man with the Spanish surname of Castille, who didn't obey instructions, acted erratically, and said he had a firearm (which he did). Later, THC was found in his bloodstream. The cop was eventually cleared, much to the rage of Kaepernick and the Anti-American AltLeft radicals.

PS THC while driving = DWI. The perp also had his family in the car.

Everybody should be put on unpaid leave until their government employer clears them of not following policy or YOU HATE BLACKS!
26   joeyjojojunior   2017 Sep 28, 10:23am  

anonymous says
but the burdens of being a multimillionaire football player would not be at the top of my list.


If you're going to start a thread on this, at least be honest about it. Nobody is kneeling because of the burdens of being a football player.
28   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 11:00am  

zzyzzx says


1. The take a knee protests aren't about free speech. They are about public awareness of crimes by cops and the courts obstruction of justice, both of which are worthy causes.
2. It's not the Confederate flag. It's the Confederate battle flag which only became popular in the South when the KKK adopted it as a symbol of continuing the Civil War to bring back slavery and to murder Americans.
3. Football players are free to wave the KKK flag. The public is free to express outrage over the despicable endorsement of slavery behind the intention of the adoption of that flag. See (2).
4. There is nothing despicable being endorsed by the take a knee protest. The objections are solely because some assholes would rather innocent Americans be raped and murdered than admit that a shameful injustice is being routinely practice against one in eight Americans. Such people are nationalist scumbags, not patriots. They clearly have no empathy for their fellow Americans.
5. The only honorable response to the take a knee protest is admiration for taking a stand against a terrible injustice.

Would you like to continue this debate? I can go on for hours.
29   FortWayne   2017 Sep 28, 11:05am  

You are pathetic Dan
30   WookieMan   2017 Sep 28, 11:07am  

Dan8267 says
The NFL player's message is "Cops need to stop committing murder, rape, and terrorism, and the courts need to prosecute cops who commit crimes.". This is the one and ONLY message the NFL players are sending. If you hear anything else, that's a problem with you listening to the message, not a problem with what they are saying.


I really can't dumb it down any more than that. If you still don't understand the message, then you are choosing not to understand it.

Was this Kaepernik's original message, yes. The message this past Sunday and Monday had nothing to do with his message though. It was about Trump being an idiot and saying a divisive thing. It was a direct response to Trump this past weekend. To say otherwise is disingenuous. Trump doesn't say a word about it and there's just the usual 1 maybe 2 guys on a team kneeling.

Everyone was kneeling because Trump said you should be fired for speaking your mind at your place of work. While technically what Trump said could happen legally and was NOT an assault on actual free speech rights, (team firing a player for kneeling) the response was just a big middle finger to Trump by the players. That's all it was. If you know of any professional athletes, I'd guess 80% of them would tell you what I just said.
31   anonymous   2017 Sep 28, 11:20am  

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Kaepernick's first example of Police Brutality was that Cops receive their contracted salary while a use of force situation is being investigated, and they haven't been charged with any crime. What Injustice!

At the time Kaepernick was interviewed in late August 2016, a ("White-passing")Hispanic Cop named Jeronimo Yanez in Minnesota had just shot a Black Man with the Spanish surname of Castille, who didn't obey instructions, acted erratically, and said he had a firearm (which he did). Later, THC was found in his bloodstream. The cop was eventually cleared, much to the rage of Kaepernick and the Anti-American AltLeft radicals.

PS THC while driving = DWI. The perp also had his family in the car.

Everybody should be put on unpaid leave until their government employer clears them of not following policy or YOU HATE BLACKS!


Holy crap! Always respected your opinion, and figured you for pretty honest and intelligent, but after reading this post, I think you're a disgusting piece of shit. I root for your comeuppance
32   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 1:26pm  

FortWayne says
You are pathetic Dan


Coming from you that's a compliment. It's like being insulted by an active KKK member.
33   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 1:28pm  

WookieMan says
It was about Trump being an idiot and saying a divisive thing. It was a direct response to Trump this past weekend. To say otherwise is disingenuous.


It is well within reason for an NFL player to continue the message that we must stop terrorism from cops by condemning a divisive idiot who is attempting to undermine that message.
34   deepcgi   2017 Sep 28, 1:51pm  

The Take-the-Knee, Antifa, Black Lives Matter movements all feel very bought and paid for to me.

When I see this overwhelming media coverage that basically has zero impact on the One-Percent, I just picture the Elite of the Elite giving silent commands and the masses obeying, regardless of which side they choose. As long as they choose one of the two sides and not the front or back, or top or bottom.

As for me, in my lifetime, I have seen multi-multiculturalism explode in the United States along with the population. It’s the greatest sociology experiment in the history of society. There is inevitable friction, of course. Age old cultures forced to be neighbors. Apartment 108 hates the odd smells coming from apartment 109 every evening at dinner time. 110 hates the primal screaming coming from 109 every time there’s a football game on.

But all-in-all, I think we are doing well. We are all growing to share in the common culture of the information age. Like watching Houstonians of every stripe sharing in rebuilding their neighborhoods after Hairy Harvey. It’s a beautiful thing (not that the media notices).

I for one think we should keep our collective eye focused on the powdered wig wearing string pullers.
35   Booger   2017 Sep 28, 1:58pm  

Since the NFL is against Trump, I think that Confederate flags and tranny cheerleaders (queerleaders?) are the way to take down the NFL.
37   FortWayne   2017 Sep 28, 2:20pm  

Glad it made you feel better

Dan8267 says
FortWayne says
You are pathetic Dan


Coming from you that's a compliment. It's like being insulted by an active KKK member.
38   WookieMan   2017 Sep 28, 2:45pm  

Dan8267 says
It is well within reason for an NFL player to continue the message that we must stop terrorism from cops by condemning a divisive idiot who is attempting to undermine that message.

You're giving too many people too much credit here.

1 - You assume that most NFL players even know the underlying issue Kaepernick was kneeling for. Most the these guys have family members and acquaintances that are actual police officers. They are wealthy and while they may have dealt with police in the past, most don't give a flying fuck. Hell many were probably protected by the police and their college prior to the NFL. They are the 1% and until you've experienced that life you have no idea what these guys think. Even the last guy on the roster is part of the 1%. While the 1% generally needs to spread the wealth a little better, to claim you know what these guys were protesting given their station in life is, again, disingenuous. Unless you're pulling in $500k plus a year, have an employer that will generally take care of most needs, you really don't have any idea what these guys think.

2 - You seriously think Trump is intelligent enough that his remarks were in an effort to undermine Kaepernick's protest? You're seriously delusional if you think that. Trump is about smart enough to know who his base is. While I think he brought more negative feelings towards himself then positive, his goal was to give his jingoistic base patriotism through the left's protest. He directly referenced the flag and national anthem. Yes he referenced kneeling as well. But his main point was you're not patriotic if you kneel during the anthem. I'm not sure how you link what Trump said, directly to Kaepernick's protest at all, outside of the act of kneeling. That's about it. Give me some evidence to refute what I just said and I'll reconsider. Trump was pandering to nationalistic, NFL crazies, that's all. Politics, you know.
39   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 11:42pm  

WookieMan says
You seriously think Trump is intelligent enough that his remarks were in an effort to undermine Kaepernick's protest?


Given how stupid a third of Americans are, it doesn't take much intelligence to undermine the truth. Case examples: Fox News and Breitbart.
40   WookieMan   2017 Sep 29, 10:00am  

Dan8267 says
Given how stupid a third of Americans are, it doesn't take much intelligence to undermine the truth. Case examples: Fox News and Breitbart.

I'll give you that. It's probably closer to 50% though.

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