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I think they missed the entire vertical axis.

Anti-density is anti-green.

They should tear down houses and build high rises. That's the only solution.

When the new backyard home has rent control, then not many will build them.

tovarichpeter says

Is this a solution to SF housing shortage

No. It is more like building an addition onto a SFR, or pitching a tent in the back yard. Neither can supply enough decent housing to meet current demand at a reasonable price.

tovarichpeter says

Is this a solution to SF housing shortage

No. Lean-to's in the backyards of the haves for the have-nots is not the solution unless you want America to be a banana republic.

The solution is...
1. No taxes on buildings.
2. Heavy taxes on land that increase as you own more land.
3. 100% tax on real estate capital gains.
4. 100% tax on rent received. Public, non-profit rental housing should be used to handle rental demand.
5. Licensing parenting and including a financial requirement for becoming a parent that increases with each child.
6. Deporting all illegal immigrants. No exceptions.
7. Asset seizure for all those employing illegal immigrants. Take the farm.
8. Capping net immigration to 1% of the total population (after all the deports) per year. And that's a generous cap.
9. Eliminating all temporary migrant labor. If a company needs foreign labor, they have to pay the greater of $100,000/yr or three times what domestic labor costs. The foreign labor and its family becomes U.S. citizens before work starts.

Do this and anyone with an income above the poverty line will be able to afford at least a modest house. Anyone with the median income will be able to afford a decent middle class house. Even the poor will be able to afford apartments, and the destitute can get free housing at minimal cost to the tax payers. Everyone wins except parasites. They will have to become productive members of society.

This is the solution to the SF housing shortage:

zzyzzx says

This is the solution to the SF housing shortage:

A good start, but you still have to do the other eight things I listed as well.

Dan8267 says

A good start, but you still have to do the other eight things I listed as well.

It should be #1 on your list, since it should be the easiest thing to implement, and have the most impact early one. Even building tall buildings in places like SF will take years and you would have to build a lot of them.

Don't forget the zoning requirements for drive by oligarch glory holes.

zzyzzx says

It should be #1 on your list, since it should be the easiest thing to implement, and have the most impact early one.

All except (5) and (6) are easy to implement and require just fiat. (6) actually takes quite a bit of work. Also, (6) isn't going to have the most impact. (3) and (4) would have the quickest and greatest impacts and can be implemented immediately.

Regardless of what you want the truth to be, that is the truth.

Is it possible to infill parts of the bay, then build on it?

Booger says

Is it possible to infill parts of the bay, then build on it?

That was actually planned in the 1950s and it launched the modern environmental protection movement. The environmentalists were right about this, because CA tends to get too much sprawl. CA has many midwesterners who want lawns that don't suit the climate. Better for SF to build taller, let the suburbs have their SFH and one-story buildings and parking lots.

Dan8267 says

The solution is...

1. No taxes on buildings.

2. Heavy taxes on land that increase as you own more land.

3. 100% tax on real estate capital gains.

4. 100% tax on rent received. Public, non-profit rental housing should be used to handle rental demand.

5. Licensing parenting and including a financial requirement for becoming a parent that increases with each child.

6. Deporting all illegal immigrants. No exceptions.

7. Asset seizure for all those employing illegal immigrants. Take the farm.

8. Capping net immigration to 1% of the total population (after all the deports) per year. And that's a generous cap.

9. Eliminating all temporary migrant labor. If a company needs foreign labor, they have to pay the greater of $100,000/yr or three times what domestic labor costs. The foreign labor and its family becomes U.S. citizens before work starts.

Do this and anyone with an income above the poverty line will be able to afford at least a modest ...

And the median income will sink to $39.00 per month, just like in Venezuela.

curious2 says

That was actually planned in the 1950s

I was thinking that the infill would be for high rise housing downtown.

Strategist says

And the median income will sink to $39.00 per month, just like in Venezuela.

Absolutely none of those things would cause income, other than non-productive zero-sum rent seeking, to decrease. Quite a few things would cause income to increase.

You can't just assert facts into existence, Strategist. That's not how the universe works. Watch as I demonstrate.

A naked Scarlett Johansson just appeared on my lap and wants to fuck my brains out.

Damn, still didn't work. I guess The Consensus is just a myth.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

And the median income will sink to $39.00 per month, just like in Venezuela.

Absolutely none of those things would cause income, other than non-productive zero-sum rent seeking, to decrease. Quite a few things would cause income to increase.

You can't just assert facts into existence, Strategist. That's not how the universe works.

Why don't you get Venezuela to try out your theories? They have nothing to lose.
By the way you can't figure out how the world works, least of all how the universe works.

Strategist says

Why don't you get Venezuela to try out your theories? They have nothing to lose.

Translation: You have absolutely no argument to make that any of the above points I made would not work. You cannot even muster up a tiny reason to be skeptical.

And of course, you can't. What possible argument could anyone make that promoting productive wealth creation with income is bad or that promoting zero-sum parasitic games that produce zero wealth are good? No wonder you shit yourself whenever I post.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Why don't you get Venezuela to try out your theories? They have nothing to lose.

Translation: You have absolutely no argument to make that any of the above points I made would not work. You cannot even muster up a tiny reason to be skeptical.

And of course, you can't. What possible argument could anyone make that promoting productive wealth creation with income is bad or that promoting zero-sum parasitic games that produce zero wealth are good? No wonder you shit yourself whenever I post.

LOL. Here is a reason:
COMMUNISM FAILED.

Strategist says

COMMUNISM FAILED.

What the fuck does anything I wrote above have to do with communism? Is communism a catch-all phrase to you for everything you don't like?

"I saw Batman vs. Superman and it sucked ass. Totally communist film." - Strategist

"The doctor says I have a hernia. I hate it when my ass goes all commie." - Strategist