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Crusty Dem leaders sill fighting the last election

By Blurtman follow Blurtman   2017 Jun 24, 9:05am 2,577 views   26 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Dems push leaders to talk less about Russia

Frustrated Democrats hoping to elevate their election fortunes have a resounding message for party leaders: Stop talking so much about Russia.

Democratic leaders have been beating the drum this year over the ongoing probes into the Trump administration’s potential ties to Moscow, taking every opportunity to highlight the saga and forcing floor votes designed to uncover any business dealings the president might have with Russian figures.

But rank-and-file Democrats say the Russia-Trump narrative is simply a non-issue with district voters, who are much more worried about bread-and-butter economic concerns like jobs, wages and the cost of education and healthcare.

In the wake of a string of special-election defeats, an increasing number of Democrats are calling for an adjustment in party messaging, one that swings the focus from Russia to the economy. The outcome of the 2018 elections, they say, hinges on how well the Democrats manage that shift.

“We can't just talk about Russia because people back in Ohio aren't really talking that much about Russia, about Putin, about Michael Flynn,” Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) told MSNBC Thursday. “They're trying to figure out how they're going to make the mortgage payment, how they're going to pay for their kids to go to college, what their energy bill looks like.

“And if we don't talk more about their interest than we do about how we're so angry with Donald Trump and everything that's going on,” he added, “then we're never going to be able to win elections.”

https://origin-nyi.thehill.com/homenews/campaign/339248-dems-push-leaders-to-talk-less-about-russia

#PlayingTheLastGame

1   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2017 Jun 24, 10:53am     ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

Agreed, the whole country lost the election. Maybe the last election ever.

Retire and let the rich take all, that's what's happening anyways.

2   Shaman   ignore (2)   2017 Jun 24, 11:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Whatever jazz, you're right in there with the worst of the irrelevant Democrats who can't get over the fact that America doesn't like your vision for the nation! Grow up already!

3   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Jun 24, 11:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says

Agreed, the whole country lost the election. Maybe the last election ever.

Retire and let the rich take all, that's what's happening anyways.

4   curious2   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 24, 12:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says

Maybe the last election ever.

If Democrats cared about elections, they would be repealing NPVIC or at least amending it to count only states with secure voting systems including paper ballots that can be counted. They have never even mentioned anything like that, so the "Russia Russia Russia" thing is theater, not real concern for safeguarding elections.

When Democrats controlled the legislative and executive branches in 2009-11, they should have updated the Voting Rights Act to make sure every eligible voter has a right to a paper ballot that gets counted. Even during the 2011-2017 period, Democrats should have pursued bipartisan legislation to combine voter ID with making sure every citizen has access to free ID. They did neither, and paid the price in 2016.

Each major party has its own problems, and both major parties share overlapping problems, including caring more about their patronage networks than voters.

5   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2017 Jun 24, 1:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Opposite is happening of what you said. PC police lost, America won. Your party lost because it didn't care for America anymore.

jazz_music says

Agreed, the whole country lost the election. Maybe the last election ever.

Retire and let the rich take all, that's what's happening anyways.

6   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 24, 1:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says

Retire and let the rich take all, that's what's happening anyways.

Pelosi and Hillary's net worth is?

7   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2017 Jun 24, 3:14pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Blurtman says

Pelosi and Hillary's net worth is?

How many millions did McConnell amass while we were paying him mere thousands? 26?

8   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2017 Jun 24, 3:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says

PC police lost

Conservative Alt right PC police think they won because of tribal reasons. Opps, hey, that's you!

9   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2017 Jun 24, 3:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says

Your party lost because it didn't care

Both parties lost. Pay attention.

My party is whatever is going to stop Republicans from handing the country over to the wealthy for the sake of their greedy careers.

10   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2017 Jun 24, 3:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

"Russia Russia Russia" thing is theater, not real concern for safeguarding elections.

Trump claims early knowledge of Russian interference along with the whole existing administration. Is he denying it existed this week? LOL

It doesn't surprise me one bit if he is denying it all.

11   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2017 Jun 24, 3:23pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Your party is just crooks who sell America down the river, while promoting anti white homosexual agenda.

All the Democrats are one giant self serving club. Pelosi, boxer... and now Lynch. Career bureaucrats who make living by screwing America

jazz_music says

FortWayne says

Your party lost because it didn't care

Both parties lost. Pay attention.

My party is whatever is going to stop Republicans from handing the country over to the wealthy for the sake of their greedy careers.

12   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Jun 24, 3:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says

FortWayne says

Your party lost because it didn't care

Both parties lost. Pay attention.

My party is whatever is going to stop Republicans from handing the country over to the wealthy for the sake of their greedy careers.

Start your own party. Because the Democrats ain't gonna do it.

13   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2017 Jun 24, 3:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says

Your party is just crooks who sell America down the river, while promoting anti white homosexual agenda.

All the Democrats are one giant self serving club. Pelosi, boxer... and now Lynch. Career bureaucrats who make living by screwing America

I told you what my party is must you fantasize so?

14   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2017 Jun 24, 3:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says

Career bureaucrats who make living by screwing America

Your beloved Republicans now have control of the Senate, the House, the Presidency, the Supreme Court and the media, yes all five families of media filter every word that is published, (did you think some communist coup gets control just before air time? LOL LOL LOL) so congratulations.

This United Oligarch States is now your dream come true. You think democracy lives when it's been proven dead. Capitalism never tolerated democracy very long, why should it when it controls all the media?

15   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2017 Jun 24, 3:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I use Democrats and crack cleaners, If I'm in a queue with one, and he starts spouting off his liberal nonsense.
I just grab his arms with one hand and his legs with the other, and floss my crack with them.

Treat them like the pisspot whiners that they really are.

16   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2017 Jun 24, 3:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

Start your own party.

I was grass roots for Ross Perot, all I ask is that a candidate and party has a credible chance of winning.

You who demonize Democrats are parroting the false equivalencies that get shoved down your throats every day. --an investment of over a billion per year that pays off very well

17   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2017 Jun 24, 4:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says

America doesn't like your vision for the nation! Grow up already!

The irony of that comment is just exquisite.

18   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2017 Jun 24, 4:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Always wanking away on patnet bragging that you won, beating up the straw men instead of taking care of business. Electing the racketeer-pitchman to be your savior has consequences. Trump is not the president you wished he was.

Trump is, well look at him, look at WHAT HE SAYS TO OTHER PEOPLE and then what happened to them after that.

LOOK AT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AGENDA. Do you really believe there is a trickle down still? Why?

And then, boycott, protest, demonstrate, organize, hold community meetings, volunteer, support protesters.

THAT IS HOW IT'S DONE, AND YOU CAN DO IT. POWER WILL EVAPORATE WHEN YOU EXPOSE IT. IT'S NOT AS STRONG AS IT WANTS YOU TO THINK IT IS.

I voted for Hillary but I always said I would keep demonstrating against her and use other tactics. She would have been at least competent and vulnerable to public pressures too.

GOP congress brazenly tried to eliminate ethics oversight FIRST THING because they ALL expected to deal crushing blow after blow to the people right from the start. SHIT DOESN'T HAPPEN FOR NO REASON.

You all should demonstrate locally. Organize. Make the local government into the government you want on the national level.

19   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2017 Jun 24, 5:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Media is all Democrats, not a minute passes without Trump bashing

jazz_music says

FortWayne says

Career bureaucrats who make living by screwing America

Your beloved Republicans now have control of the Senate, the House, the Presidency, the Supreme Court and the media, yes all five families of media filter every word that is published, (did you think some communist coup gets control just before air time? LOL LOL LOL) so congratulations.

This United Oligarch States is now your dream come true. You think democracy lives when it's been proven dead. Capitalism never tolerated democracy very long, why should it when it controls all the media?

20   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Jun 24, 6:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says

LOOK AT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AGENDA. Do you really believe there is a trickle down still? Why?

Yes, there is a trickle down.
In the old days, those who did nothing would starve to death. Today, those who do nothing get fat.

21   curious2   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 24, 6:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says

Media is all Democrats

No, many are establishment Republicans. Both party establishments promote TDS, for the same reason they opposed Bernie Sanders. They want more war all over the world and more medical spending on behalf of both MICs, and they're corrupted by Petrodollar baksheesh, which distorts their worldview.

BTW, I saw a funny comment recently, am curious what you think of it. Now that gay couples have the equal protection of the laws, the 'gay agenda' is basically complete, and the DNCe have begun to fear that gay married couples might vote the same way as most married couples. Apparently, Christians and gays are getting along too well; some might say mean things about each other, but they don't kill each other so most don't care about mere words. DNCe want now to bring in Muslims as the cleanup crew, to kill the gay couples.

22   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 25, 5:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

DNCe

What is the "e" for in DNCe?

23   Shaman   ignore (2)   2017 Jun 25, 6:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Elite I think

24   curious2   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 25, 6:53am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

What is the "e" for in DNCe?

I had been thinking DNC establishment, the people who thwarted Senator Sanders while pretending to neutrality. They represent patronage networks, e.g. the two MICs (military-industrial compex, medical-industrial complex), that require ever larger revenues, which everyone else perceives as spending. The RNC establishment (RNCe) opposed Donald Trump, even endorsing Hillary Clinton, showing that the entrenched patronage networks that control each major party have more in common with each other than with most voters.

25   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2017 Jun 25, 7:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

for the same reason they opposed Bernie Sanders

Bernie is a communist with ideas that will bankrupt the country. His plans are not workable, it's just a repeat of the Soviet Union policies.

He means well, he's a man of the people as it gets. I respect him for that. But he's also very clueless on policies and for that I can't vote ever.

26   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 25, 10:03am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says

Bernie is a communist with ideas that will bankrupt the country. His plans are not workable, it's just a repeat of the Soviet Union policies.

What's yours is everyone's, comrade.


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