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My Adult Children are Adults and have a pretty good grasp of what's going on. I don't have to learn how to talk to them.
I enjoy talking with them and their boyfriends over a beer about politics and they laugh and talk about the people we know as Special snowflakes.

Tenpoundbass says

I enjoy talking with them and their boyfriends over a beer about politics and they laugh and talk about the people we know as Special snowflakes.

Your kids are progressive? I think not. Funny, when I talk about the crazed right wingers that live in a bubble (such as yourself), we refer to you as special snowflakes too. Or in your specific case, just plain "flake" works.

Perhaps with our new knowledge about Trump we should call you special yellow snowflakes. As some famous philosopher once said, "don't eat the yellow snow."

What a total crock of right wing horseshit:

Such children—whether in public or private schools—have been propagandized by subtle or explicit disparagement of conservative viewpoints and ideologies since kindergarten. Continuing in elementary school, they were conditioned to accept without question the evils of right-leaning values and ideologies.

As they grew and became politically aware in high school, it is likely that the professionals charged with their education doubled down with a liberal groupthink mentality. By the time these kids enter college they will have been subjected to a relentless barrage that demonizes even moderate conservatism, while methodically casting liberalism in propitious and humanistic lights. Once in the halls of higher academia, a progressive, conservative-bashing bias will often be set in stone.

Even if there has been counterbalance in the home, like the Fox News prime time every night, Rush on the car radio, and the demonstration of everyday examples of conservative positivism by parents, extended family, friends, and faith communities, the combination of academic lockstep, cultural progressive hegemony, and peer pressure may present a near-insurmountable challenge to traditionally-minded conservative parents whose children have been inextricably shaped by the Democrat village.

Notice the total lack of specifics. First of all the right wing stopped being conservative long ago. Trickle down policies to enrich the wealthy are not conservative.

Please share some of the specifics of the beliefs that youth have been indoctrinated with. Tolerance of gays ?
Belief in social justice as it pertains to law enforcement ? If you're going to say extremist SJWs, these people make up maybe 10% of college students. That's not the left or what students are learning in school. In school they are hopefully learning how to think and how to separate fact from fiction. It is true though that reality has a well known liberal bias.

Please. It must be possible to delineate in detail the tenets of this left wing orthodoxy, if it really exists. Tell me the couple that you think are the biggest and most damaging to today's youth. Maybe you should get TehDumbass to break it down for you, becasue he's a master at expressing his emotions with a bunch a nonsensical gibberish.

Guess what? If you can't describe it in detail, then what the right wing is now (instead of conservative), is nothing more than the enemy of the "scary left" as a justification for policies that fuck over the middle class and the poor.

marcus says

Perhaps with our new knowledge about Trump we should call you special yellow snowflakes. As some famous philosopher once said, "don't eat the yellow snow."

Yeah! Like that! That's the stuff where do you Idiots come up with this stuff. Trump won poor you hoo hoo hoo.

jazz music says

Of course Trump "grabs them by the pussy." Trump "can do anything he wants," in his own words.

Anonymous has done some good work, but with everything they need to present the evidence. They have been lately attacking Wikileaks and Assange as well, seems like a split/divide or maybe even a takeover. Instead of lashing out in a worse way than Trump ever could at him they should simply present/release the eivdence of such accusations, like Wikileaks did with the emails. Then people may reconsider trusting Trump or voting for him. But so far this sounds like the same unsubstantiated "info" we have been hearing from the leftist rags for a while now. If he is so knee-deep in shit it should be very easy to present at least one document, maybe a few emails that would substantiate those claims. So far, zero.

marcus says

As they grew and became politically aware in high school, it is likely that the professionals charged with their education doubled down with a liberal groupthink mentality. By the time these kids enter college they will have been subjected to a relentless barrage that demonizes even moderate conservatism, while methodically casting liberalism in propitious and humanistic lights. Once in the halls of higher academia, a progressive, conservative-bashing bias will often be set in stone.

I am in that boat. Both my kids are true liberals. My 20 year old graduates in June. Even my wife supported Hillary. I myself lean liberal, but i picked Trump because of terrorism and economy.

Marcus if only you heard yourself.

marcus says

What a total crock of right wing horseshit:

I don't believe it's an exaggeration. Look at the reactions of school age children all over the country with the tacit support of their teachers--classes dismissed, ten year olds crying about the outcome--I'm sure a lot of this comes from the parents as well but you can be sure the teachers overwhelmingly sympathize with them. In college it really gets ugly with all the campus riots and demonstrations. The YouTube I posted in another thread about the planned terrorism around the inauguration is just a logical extension of the same mindset. Both sides have their crazies, but the left has a deep impulse towards totalitarianism. It's the same thing as when conservative speakers are denied a forum at colleges or are attacked and threatened because the students don't want to hear what they have to say.

P N Dr Lo R says

I don't believe it's an exaggeration. Look at the reactions of school age children all over the country with the tacit support of their teachers--classes dismissed, ten year olds crying about the outcome--I'm sure a lot of this comes from the parents as well but you can be sure the teachers overwhelmingly sympathize with them. In college it really gets ugly with all the campus riots and demonstrations.

Absolutely. The kids were being indoctrinated from kindergarden on that Trump is evil and Hillary is good. They send out emails, set up hotlines and self-help-groups after the election, and the kids freely regurgitated what they were told. It's disgusting, no matter in which camp you are.

marcus says

Or in your specific case, just plain "flake" works.

sassy!

oh great, jazz music showed up. said no one ever.

P N Dr Lo R says

Look at the reactions of school age children all over the country with the tacit support of their teachers--classes dismissed, ten year olds crying about the outcome--I'm sure a lot of this comes from the parents as well but you can be sure the teachers overwhelmingly sympathize with them.

Just as I expected. You can't give me any details of what these terrible beliefs are of the liberal establishment has indoctrinated the youth with. What is it ? Common sense ? Manners ? Logic ? An appreciation of fact based reasoning? Instead you want to talk about their cry baby reaction to Trump's election. If you saw Trump the way that most well adjusted healthy objective people see him, you would be terrified too. Even my republican friends that voted for him as a vote against Hillary, hate the guy, can't stand anything about him and totally understand why so many intelligent people are terrified.

P N Dr Lo R says

I don't believe it's an exaggeration.

Then stop acting like a moron and educate me ! Give me something more than emotion backed empty assertions. Please, I mean it. it should be possible to fucking describe it. Going on and on about the propaganda and the programming of our youth without a substantive description of what the misguided bleifs they are being programmed with means that you sir are the one that it totally 100% full of shit.

I think you even know it. Otherwise you would come up with an answer. All I need area couple examples of the most very worst and most damaging beliefs that these lefties are programming our youth with.

Quit fucking asking these Simple Simon Fucks for details, marcus. You're going to #trigger a bunch of meltdowns.

The only Trumptard here with a brain is TrumpsDickLips, and even he picks and chooses what he will defend.

You will never, EVER get any details. But that's usually true from your ilk as well. Once you skim past the surface, the complexities scare off any discussion. People just want to root home their team in peace

errc says

But that's usually true from your ilk as well

Not really. If you read the OPs article it's all about how kids are supposedly programmed with left wing propaganda in our public schools. I want to know what that means.

If you want me to describe right wing propaganda, I would be happy to, but we have countless examples on this forum that regurgitate it all the time. Including even Patrick. I would take me hours, but coming up with some key examples would be easy. But you're not completely wrong about this:.

errc says

People just want to root home their team in peace

A good indicator of the lack of symmetry is comedy central, such as what Jon Stewart used to do. Does anyone really think that a similar level of satire could be done poking fun of the left side as what can be done poking fun of the dishonesty and scumbagger on the right ?

Yes, really.

You claimed that people don't want to know what prices are wrt healthcare.

I've (attempted to) discuss with depth, plenty of issues with people from all walks of life, and time again, I see that as you delve into complexities, most people just aren't capable of carrying the conversation any further.

People are simple. Right and left leaning people. And the issues oftentimes are genuinely complex. That rarely stops simple people from trying, lol

You are right that some things are complex. But if someone is going to write 11 paragraphs about how our youth are so incredibly programmed by our public schools to be liberals, they should at least be able to cite some significant detailed examples of what this means. Instead, it's all emotion and empty assertions.

marcus says

If you saw Trump the way that most well adjusted healthy objective people see him, you would be terrified too

Somehow these don't seem to be well adjusted, healthy, objective people:

www.youtube.com/embed/xIjbkYLI1nY

Sniveling bitches need to tough up and volunteer to become human shields for the Great Orange One so that they can die gloriously.

mell says

They send out emails, set up hotlines and self-help-groups after the election

There are isolated cases of this. But you have to realize, this was the "grab them by the pussy," "they're rapists" guy. How is that our president ? If you're Latino, or even have friends or friends of friends that are undocumented, of course they were freaking out after the election.

Maybe somehow Trump will shake things up for the better. But more likely it's going to be a freak show just like his campaign was. The guy has no class and no self control or self discipline. But I don't tell students my opinion. Well, I told a few that asked before the election, but in fairly mild terms compared to what I really think.

You hear a story of one major university that cancelled an exam or cancelled a class, and you infer that this is happening in public school everywhere. There were some students that walked out one day (didn't even come in so that they could protest). But I'm aware of no teachers that encouraged that.

So talking about the reaction of some kids to the election ? That's all you've got to describe the leftist programming they've recieved their whole lives ?

If you and your child think that:

- Russia is not a threat, and the 80s want their foreign policy back - you might be regressive.
- If you want to normalize relations with Cuba, while the dissadents get thrown back into the gulag - you might be regressive.
- If you dont mind, that during the last 8 years, that drug use such as herioin, crack have gone up, and the president and MSM ignored this, actually stating the POTHEADUS used pot in college - you might be regressive
- If you think its OK to have 19 states with the #1 employer as Walmart, while you say that "These good paying jobs are not coming back to the US", - you might be regressive.

In short, when Kennedy said "ask what you can do for your country", he represented the last progressive democrat president, even as he funded NASA which lead to all sorts of technology, semiconductors, and innovation.

Whatever happened to a party that used to be progressive - that now is so regressive that they dont even see their sufferage?

Entitlemented says

Whatever happened to a party that used to be progressive - that now is so regressive that they dont even see their sufferage?

THey are the complement or counterpoint to a political right that is too far to the right and has their head too far up the asses of the plutocracy and corporations.

What we have is basically a far right wing and a less right wing party and a small few actual progressives in congress.

Entitlemented says

while you say that "These good paying jobs are not coming back to the US"

I don't say that, but I have enough common sense to understand that tarrifs or other trade policies don't bring us back high paying jobs. Besides decent manufacturing jobs have been and will continue to be replaced more by technology than by slave labor in china.

If you think that after 30 years of globalization, a political sensation (Trump) who manages to get a bunch of idiots to believe he's going to stimulate a lot of growth of high paying jobs for low skilled workers, you're a gullible idiot. Everyone wishes we had more high paying jobs in this country, but that's not what being progressive means.

jazz music says

You can't elect some asshole and feel that he will save you just because says everything he knows you were hoping to hear. That expectation is not the mindset of a responsible adult.

You must do something yourself other than work and check out.

The LCD on either side of aisle does this; not strictly a conservative/right wing problem by any stretch of imagination

marcus says

e ! Give me something more than emotion backed empty assertions. Please, I mean it. it should be possible to fucking describe it. Going on and on about the propaganda and the programming of our youth without a substantive description of what the misguided bleifs they are being programmed with means that you sir are the one that it totally 100% full of shit.

If youth are being "programmed" so easily at will, probably an indicator that parents aren't really doing their job and making excuses

marcus says

Everyone wishes we had more high paying jobs in this country, but that's not what being progressive means.

The US in the past found itself in a similar condundrum of political corruption, of national malinvestment. A couple of "progressive" leaders dropped their "politics" for the sake of their "principles".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era

We need leaders to drop their "politics" and get back to "principles". The Saul Alinsky model of divisiveness did not work.

I wonder if it is the family system. Back until a few decades or a century ago, people had multiple kids that had to work from an young age and always had to fend for themselves. Now most have 1 or 2 , have welfare, social nets, cna live with their parents and do nothing and just enjoy life. Absent drive, ambition and fear of falling down and having no safety net-they become lefties-envious of people who succeed-while living off them.

lostand confused says

I wonder if it is the family system. Back until a few decades or a century ago, people had multiple kids that had to work from an young age and always had to fend for themselves. Now most have 1 or 2 , have welfare, social nets, cna live with their parents and do nothing and just enjoy life. Absent drive, ambition and fear of falling down and having no safety net-they become lefties-envious of people who succeed-while living off them.

This is why everyone in Junior High should take a course on European History circa 1914 to 1920 to see how the leftist Bolsheviks built up their influence to take over Russia, which lead to > 10 Million deaths. It 2017 now, and the Bolsheviks anniversary is upon us.

anonymous says

One semester was a course covering Communism/Socialism and the second semester was a course covering American Government/Economics

I have no objection to that, so long as the teacher/prof doesn't proselytize for one over the other--the results should speak for themselves in the way we get to live in this country.

anonymous says

When I recently looked at the current curriculum on line - those courses are long gone.

At this time, a course on civics may need to return to the curriculum.

Because if all the graduates think that their humanities and arts degrees are going to lead to sustainable lifestyle, a revolution will be upon us.

Republicans greatest fear:
BOYCOTT ALL Republicans!

HEY YOU says

Republicans greatest fear:

That outsourcing will impoverish the middle class, and block any chance of upward mobility.

Dems greatest fear: That their liberal arts, lawyers, professors, contracts people, and make work jobs will dissappear, and the government/union jobs might at some point have less funding due to the reduced receipts from public section jobs that are manned/womanned by non-dems.