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Motorist appears to punch off-duty cop before fatal shooting


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2016 Jul 7, 9:19am   12,252 views  49 comments

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http://nypost.com/2016/07/07/video-shows-motorist-punching-off-duty-cop-before-fatal-shooting/

Wednesday. The owner of Touch of Glass on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn said he plans to give his store video to the NYPD. It shows 37-year-old Delrawn Small get out of his car at the traffic light at the intersection of Atlantic Avenue and Bradford Street and charge Officer Wayne Isaacs car two cars ahead the store owner said. Smalls girlfriend Zaquanna Albert, 35, can be seen trying to hold her man back, but he could not be restrained as their 5-month-old son and one of Alberts teenage daughters sat in the car. Small pummeled Isaacs, 37, through his open...

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1   RWSGFY   2016 Jul 7, 11:26am  

Ironman says

..."Small, an ex-con who has a lengthy rap sheet with 19 prior arrests, died at the scene."

You mean he didn't sing in the choir and wasn't an altar boy??

He was turning his life around.

2   Indiana Jones   2016 Jul 7, 12:18pm  

So does this mean, legally, the off-duty cop had a right to shoot and kill him after being punched? Does this mean if a person hits/punches/attacks another person, they are in their right to pull out a gun and kill you? With all these shootings happening, I am not sure I understand anymore.

3   RWSGFY   2016 Jul 7, 12:22pm  

Indiana Jones says

So does this mean, legally, the off-duty cop had a right to shoot and kill him after being punched? Does this mean if a person hits/punches/attacks another person, they are in their right to pull out a gun and kill you?

A person buckled in with a seat belt in the car is at distinctive disadvantage to someone standing next to the car and punching him in the head/face. He shot to stop the attack, the killing was an unfortunate byproduct.

PS. There was a very similar case in SF several years ago, but both parties were not cops. The guy in the car wasn't even charged.

4   anonymous   2016 Jul 7, 12:59pm  

Indiana Jones says

So does this mean, legally, the off-duty cop had a right to shoot and kill him after being punched? Does this mean if a person hits/punches/attacks another person, they are in their right to pull out a gun and kill you? With all these shootings happening, I am not sure I understand anymore.

I suppose it means that you have to wait until the pummeling you're receiving is life-threatening to the point of causing irreparable damage? Once you've assessed that to be the case, then you may discharge your firearm.

5   RWSGFY   2016 Jul 7, 1:37pm  

just any guy says

Indiana Jones says

So does this mean, legally, the off-duty cop had a right to shoot and kill him after being punched? Does this mean if a person hits/punches/attacks another person, they are in their right to pull out a gun and kill you? With all these shootings happening, I am not sure I understand anymore.

I suppose it means that you have to wait until the pummeling you're receiving is life-threatening to the point of causing irreparable damage? Once you've assessed that to be the case, then you may discharge your firearm.

Come on now: the assailant wasn't sophisticated enough to understand that by reaching inside the car and punching the driver in the face he was violating the letter of the law. Therefore nothing bad should've happened to him.

6   HEY YOU   2016 Jul 7, 1:47pm  

Would one call a guy that punches an armed LEO a genius?

7   Blurtman   2016 Jul 7, 1:53pm  

P N Dr Lo R says

charge Officer Wayne Isaacs

Very bad idea.

8   Shaman   2016 Jul 7, 2:01pm  

I'm sure that society is much worse off for the loss of this fine individual.

Now that other shooting in Minneapolis, that was total bullshit. 30 something year old black man with girlfriend and kid in the car stopped on a white neighborhood by a cop for a "busted tail light." Attempts to comply with the officers demands for license and registration and is shot four times. Guy was a cafeteria supervisor with a clean record. He warned the officer that he also had a concealed carry permit. That was probably his big mistake as the dickhead cop panicked and shot him.
Still, an upstanding citizen who has cleared substantial background checks enough to get a CCP. This was a good dude and a bad cop who needs to go to jail.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/07/justice-dept-to-monitor-investigation-into-deadly-minnesota-police-shooting.html

9   Strategist   2016 Jul 7, 3:36pm  

Quigley says

I'm sure that society is much worse off for the loss of this fine individual.

Now that other shooting in Minneapolis, that was total bullshit. 30 something year old black man with girlfriend and kid in the car stopped on a white neighborhood by a cop for a "busted tail light." Attempts to comply with the officers demands for license and registration and is shot four times. Guy was a cafeteria supervisor with a clean record. He warned the officer that he also had a concealed carry permit. That was probably his big mistake as the dickhead cop panicked and shot him.

Still, an upstanding citizen who has cleared substantial background checks enough to get a CCP. This was a good dude and a bad cop who needs to go to jail.

This killing does not seem to be justified, and the cop will get what he deserves. The problem with our friends here is they think every police shooting is a homicide.

10   Strategist   2016 Jul 7, 3:42pm  

Ironman says

..."Small, an ex-con who has a lengthy rap sheet with 19 prior arrests, died at the scene."

You mean he didn't sing in the choir and wasn't an altar boy??

Why was the scumbag criminal walking free after 19 arrests in the first place? I'm glad that scumbag criminal got killed. One down, thousands to go.

11   Strategist   2016 Jul 7, 4:12pm  

Ironman says

Strategist says

Why was the scumbag criminal walking free after 19 arrests in the first place? I'm glad that scumbag criminal got killed. One down, thousands to go.

That's not important, what IS important was an unarmed BLACK thug got shot by a cop.... Haven't you learned yet?

Ha ha. Maybe he ran to the cop to thank him for making him wear a seat belt.

12   Indiana Jones   2016 Jul 12, 1:07am  

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/killed-delrawn-small-stripped-gun-shield-article-1.2707114

Cop who killed Delrawn Small stripped of gun and shield as AG investigates video contradicting his story

"The off-duty cop who shot dead another motorist in Brooklyn has been stripped of his gun and shield, the NYPD said Monday.

Officer Wayne Isaacs was placed on modified duty and will work a desk job while the NYPD and the state Attorney General’s office investigate evidence — including seemingly damning video that contradicts what Isaacs said happened before he shot Delrawn Small, 37, in a road-rage incident in East New York early on July 4.

The video shows Small getting shot within seconds of approaching Isaacs’ car.

Isaacs had previously claimed he opened fire from the seat of his car because Small had punched him in the face at least twice."

And this is Delrawn Small's brother speaking at his vigil:

"I’m not gonna forget who my brother was. Ya’ll can say whatever the hell you want about him. But, we all out here because we know he was a good man. Look in they faces and tell 'em what you did. Look in our faces and tell us why you pulled that gun out and shot my brother. I don't care if they said he punched him. I don’t care if you said he should have stayed in the car. I don’t care if you said he shouldn’t have been driving or he shouldn’t have been in Brooklyn. At the end of the day, he got shot by a cop for no reason."

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/11/as_protests_erupt_nationwide_a_new

13   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Jul 12, 6:53am  

Here's a video. That cop should be prosecuted.

He could have just driven off and avoided the whole thing. Instead, it appears he had his gun ready, because he shot the guy right after he got to the window.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Video-NYPD-Cop-Deadly-Shooting-Unarmed-Driver-Road-Rage-Dispute-Brooklyn-386069041.html

14   anonymous   2016 Jul 12, 7:11am  

The greatest danger here, is the pussification of a nation. Whatever happened to an eye for an eye? Are you really that much of a pussy that if someone swings on you, your first reaction is shoot to kill? There was a time, not long ago, that real men welcomed the challenge. You threw the first punch, now put up your dukes and prepare to get your ass whooped.

We all should have a healthy fear of armed sissies, destroying the heart of a nations manhood.

15   Y   2016 Jul 12, 7:36am  

Yup, and Yup.
A punch at the right angle in the right place can also kill.
Just don't hit anyone and you won't have a problem...

Indiana Jones says

So does this mean, legally, the off-duty cop had a right to shoot and kill him after being punched? Does this mean if a person hits/punches/attacks another person, they are in their right to pull out a gun and kill you?

16   Strategist   2016 Jul 12, 7:39am  

Indiana Jones says

So does this mean, legally, the off-duty cop had a right to shoot and kill him after being punched? Does this mean if a person hits/punches/attacks another person, they are in their right to pull out a gun and kill you? With all these shootings happening, I am not sure I understand anymore.

They are in their right to defend themselves. If that means pulling out a gun and shooting the attacker to stop further punches, yes.

17   tatupu70   2016 Jul 12, 7:51am  

Strategist says

They are in their right to defend themselves. If that means pulling out a gun and shooting the attacker to stop further punches, yes.

No they are not. You can't shoot someone because they "assaulted" you by touching your shoulder. You have to be in fear for your life, and NO police officer should be in fear of his life by a guy trying to punch him from outside a car window.

18   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Jul 12, 7:52am  

Strategist says

They are in their right to defend themselves. If that means pulling out a gun and shooting the attacker to stop further punches, yes.

That's not quite how it works. If you have no other options, shooting is justified. You cannot just shoot anyone / everyone who punches you. I'd like to hear what happened before this too. What did this cop do to escalate the situation to the point that the guy got out of his car?

19   Strategist   2016 Jul 12, 8:07am  

tatupu70 says

No they are not. You can't shoot someone because they "assaulted" you by touching your shoulder.

Ha ha ha. Since when is getting punched by a maniac "touching your shoulder"

I repeat....Society is better off with this criminal being dead.

20   tatupu70   2016 Jul 12, 8:10am  

Strategist says

Ha ha ha. Since when is getting punched by a maniac "touching your shoulder"

I repeat....Society is better off with this criminal being dead.

Do you think he was justifiably in fear for his life?

21   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Jul 12, 8:10am  

Ironman says

What else do we know about the Altar Boy, Mr. Small..

No one ever said that he was an alter boy. And no, I didn't read the whole article. I just searched for a video and watched it.
Ironman says

Why do you fucking Libbies always support these behaviors?

No one is supporting the behavior of Small. They are just condemning the behavior of the officer. How come you can't understand that their behaviors could be independently judged?

22   Strategist   2016 Jul 12, 8:15am  

tatupu70 says

Strategist says

Ha ha ha. Since when is getting punched by a maniac "touching your shoulder"

I repeat....Society is better off with this criminal being dead.

Do you think he was justifiably in fear for his life?

I think it's 50-50 that he feared for his life. The cop gets the befit of the doubt, period.

23   Strategist   2016 Jul 12, 8:17am  

YesYNot says

No one is supporting the behavior of Small. They are just condemning the behavior of the officer. How come you can't understand that their behaviors could be independently judged?

Why care for the life of a criminal maniac?

24   tatupu70   2016 Jul 12, 8:18am  

Strategist says

I think it's 50-50 that he feared for his life. The cop gets the befit of the doubt, period.

If he feared for his life in that situation he shouldn't be a cop. Period.

25   Strategist   2016 Jul 12, 8:22am  

tatupu70 says

Strategist says

I think it's 50-50 that he feared for his life. The cop gets the befit of the doubt, period.

If he feared for his life in that situation he shouldn't be a cop. Period.

Easy to play Monday morning Quarterback isn't it? Cops have human reactions too. How would you have reacted in that situation?

26   tatupu70   2016 Jul 12, 8:33am  

Strategist says

Easy to play Monday morning Quarterback isn't it? Cops have human reactions too. How would you have reacted in that situation?

Cops have training in how to deal with situations like this. How to deal with angry citizens. How to reduce the tension and anger rather than escalate it.

I can think of any number of ways to deal with this situation. Drive off. Shut the window. Don't pull over in the first place.

27   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Jul 12, 8:38am  

Strategist says

Why care for the life of a criminal maniac?

Because I'm not psychotic, and think that criminals should be arrested and charged instead of shot dead in the street. Ironman says

and there's the problem, you'll just run with the headline and the liberal MSM narrative..

You overuse the fuck out of the word 'narrative.' It's comical. I watched the video and decided for myself. What do you think of the video?

28   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Jul 12, 9:50am  

Ironman says

narrative

Narrative is just a trendy word to describe someone spinning a story instead of trying to remain objective. Using it once in a while to make a point is interesting. Using it inappropriately in most of your posts is boring and meaningless, which I guess is just part of your personality.

Ironman says

short videos don't tell the WHOLE story..

When the story is short, short videos can tell the whole story. The only thing that's missing here is what exactly Small did when he got to the window. What you can see clearly is that he was only there for a split second.

29   Y   2016 Jul 12, 9:52am  

blame it all on black lives matter.
chanting 'kill the cops'
now you have all the cops on hair trigger alert.
Thanks BLM!

30   RWSGFY   2016 Jul 12, 10:58am  

YesYNot says

Here's a video. That cop should be prosecuted.

He could have just driven off and avoided the whole thing. Instead, it appears he had his gun ready, because he shot the guy right after he got to the window.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Video-NYPD-Cop-Deadly-Shooting-Unarmed-Driver-Road-Rage-Dispute-Brooklyn-386069041.html

You really made all these conclusion from that video? Unless the version showing now is somehow different from what you've seen the video simply doesn't support it. The hands of the attacker are obscured by the car, so there is no way to know whether he was able to lend a punch. As for "driving away" : wasn't the car stopped because of red light? Would you drive away into city intersection with red light on?

31   RWSGFY   2016 Jul 12, 11:08am  

errc says

Whatever happened to an eye for an eye? Are you really that much of a pussy that if someone swings on you, your first reaction is shoot to kill?

What would be you first reaction when someone swings on you while you're sitting down restrained by a seatbelt, car door and steering wheel? Cry for mommy?

You might have some chance against even a good puncher when meeting him standing up face-to-face. Sitting in the car - not so much.

32   tatupu70   2016 Jul 12, 11:11am  

Straw Man says

What would be you first reaction when someone swings on you while you're sitting down restrained by a seatbelt, car door and steering wheel? Cry for mommy?

You might have some chance against even a good puncher when meeting him standing up face-to-face. Sitting in the car - not so much.

But we're talking about a cop here. Someone who should be an expert at defusing these types of situations first, and an expert at getting control of such situations without resorting to deadly force, second. If cops can't handle a simple road rage incident without shooting to kill, we're doing something wrong.

33   RWSGFY   2016 Jul 12, 11:34am  

tatupu70 says

But we're talking about a cop here. Someone who should be an expert at defusing these types of situations first, and an expert at getting control of such situations without resorting to deadly force, second.

"Diffuse" how? He was rushed by some guy from what seems less than 30 ft. There is barely time to pull a gun (21 feet is the widely accepted minimum distance for self-defense), what kind of "diffusion" do you propose in situation like this? Anybody without a gun would most probably be knocked-out while still sitting in the car.

34   tatupu70   2016 Jul 12, 11:40am  

Straw Man says

"Diffuse" how? He was rushed by some guy from what seems less than 30 ft. There is barely time to pull a gun (21 feet is the widely accepted minimum distance for self-defense), what kind of "diffusion" do you propose in situation like this? Anybody without a gun would most probably be knocked-out while still sitting in the car

Well, for starters, you don't need a gun to diffuse this situation. It's a wonder what can happen if a cop stays calm and de-escalates the tension of a situation. I know that's the opposite of what they are taught these days. They pull out the gun immediately now.

And your statement is idiotic. You think someone sitting in a car is going to automatically be knocked out by a guy who has to try to punch through a window?? And how about rolling up the window until he settles down?

35   Strategist   2016 Jul 12, 11:47am  

tatupu70 says

But we're talking about a cop here. Someone who should be an expert at defusing these types of situations

Training can only go so far. Emotions will take precedence over training.

tatupu70 says

Well, for starters, you don't need a gun to diffuse this situation.

Pointing a gun at someone is the best way of diffusing a situation like this. The second best is to just shoot.

36   RWSGFY   2016 Jul 12, 11:53am  

tatupu70 says

Well, for starters, you don't need a gun to diffuse this situation. It's a wonder what can happen if a cop stays calm and de-escalates the tension of a situation. I know that's the opposite of what they are taught these days. They pull out the gun immediately now.

And your statement is idiotic. You think someone sitting in a car is going to automatically be knocked out by a guy who has to try to punch through a window?? And how about rolling up the window until he settles down?

No, it's you who make idiotic statements. I asked you specifically, what exactly you propose to "diffuse" the situation and all you got is "roll up windows". That's it or you have something else?

PS. I'll address "roll up defense" after I get an exhaustive list of your "diffusion remedies" for a situation when someone rushes to punch or stab you from 20-30ft while you're sitting in the car.

37   HEY YOU   2016 Jul 12, 11:57am  

Cops never LIE!
Trust but verify!
Got a clear video of the punches.

38   Blurtman   2016 Jul 12, 11:57am  

The deceased seemed to be acting irrationally, and certainly behaved unwisely. Do black males have a greater tendency to do so?

Disrespect seems to be a justifiable killing offense in some communities. That likely comes from a low sense of self-worth.

39   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Jul 12, 12:05pm  

Straw Man says

so there is no way to know whether he was able to lend a punch.

Yeah, I conceded, that you can't tell what happened in the split second he was there. He could have thrown a punch as soon as he got there. What I think you can conclude is that he saw the guy coming and had his gun out. He could have just as easily rolled up his window and glanced at the light to see that it was changing. The other car drove off as the gun went off. So, the cross traffic light would have been yellow as Smalls was approaching the car. My point is only that the officer immediately went for his gun when he didn't have to. Of course, I'm not saying he's guilty, but I do think it ought to be settled in a trial.

Ironman says

If Small didn't have a disregard for the law and better moral values, which is ALL 100% under HIS control, he would be alive today.

I agree, but you are missing the point 100%. His transgressions did not merit the death penalty by judge, jury, and executioner. Smalls should have avoided getting killed by just tapping the brakes and moving on with his life instead of road raging. The officer could have avoided killing the guy by avoiding conflict rather than going directly for the gun.

40   tatupu70   2016 Jul 12, 12:15pm  

Straw Man says

No, it's you who make idiotic statements. I asked you specifically, what exactly you propose to "diffuse" the situation and all you got is "roll up windows". That's it or you have something else?

PS. I'll address "roll up defense" after I get an exhaustive list of your "diffusion remedies" for a situation when someone rushes to punch or stab you from 20-30ft while you're sitting in the car.

You're missing the point. I haven't been trained as a cop. But, just for you, here are some links:

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylc=X3oDMTFiN25laTRvBF9TAzIwMjM1MzgwNzUEaXRjAzEEc2VjA3NyY2hfcWEEc2xrA3NyY2h3ZWI-?p=how+to+diffuse+violent+situation&fr=yfp-t&fp=1&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

https://ca.ctrinstitute.com/on-site-training/dpvs-onsite/

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2011/04/25/police-diffuse-violent-situation-using-lollipops/

I like the last one. Lollipops are more powerful than guns.

Straw Man says

PS. I'll address "roll up defense" after I get an exhaustive list of your "diffusion remedies" for a situation when someone rushes to punch or stab you from 20-30ft while you're sitting in the car.

I'm waiting with bated breath.

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