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America, 1931:

Cept that picture was created by FDR, a far cry from capitalism.

January 3, 1931

Drought and the Great Depression causes hundreds of angry farmers to converge on the town of England, Arkansas, demanding that the Red Cross give them the assistance that had been promised to feed the starving members of their community.

Same diff, Hoover sucked almost as bad as FDR

Wait, in 1921 the Communists had literally just taken power, huge swaths of the country weren't even under their control, and had just come out of WW1 followed by a massive Civil War, occupation by several expeditionary armies, then an invasion by the Winged Hussars.

That's like saying "Let's compare China of 1920 with Japan of 1920."

Such an easy answer for someone who came to America from a communist country.

Let's put things in perspective. How many people do you know that escape from a communist country to a capitalist country? How many people do you know that escape from a capitalist country to a communist country? There's your answer.

E-man says

Such an easy answer for someone who came to America from a communist country.

Such an easy answer from somebody who doesn't understand Russia meatgrinding WW1 for 6 years, economy was ruined on top of going straight into a massive civil war, and it was a complete shambles by 1921.

Russia in 1921 made Georgia after Sherman's March to the sea in 1865 look idyllic, prosperous and whole.

"Let's compare France and England right after War of the Roses. Wow, France is doing so much better."

"Hey, the guy went 10 rounds with Joe Fraiser and hasn't eaten in 36 hours, can't toe the line on the treadmill like this other, fresh guy who ate carbs an hour and a half ago."

thunderlips11 says

Such an easy answer from somebody who doesn't understand Russia fought Germany for 6 years, then fought a massive civil war, and it was a complete shambles by 1921.

How dat relevant?

P N Dr Lo R says

Which is better, communism or capitalism?

Georgism, dammit!

Everyone would keep everything they actually earn. Taxes would be only on non-productive rent-seeking

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

indigenous says

How dat relevant?

Gee I don't know.

You're comparing a country that hadn't fought a war on it's soil for more than half a century (and one with an invading foreign power in over a century), with one that went straight from WW1 into a bloody Civil War that covered an entire decade of combat, mostly fought on it's own soil. One that already redistributed free land to the Peasants (Homestead Act thanks to the Dixie Kulaks being out of Congress) versus one that had yet to do so. So I can't see how that's possibly relevant in making a comparison between the two countries.

Thunderlips,

How many people do you know that escape from a communist country to a capitalist country? How many people do you know that escape from a capitalist country to a communist country? There's your answer.

rando says

Georgism, dammit!

The politicians are hypocrites. 2015 was the first year that 100% of Pkennedy's income was from his rentals. Guess his tax bracket after depreciation. 1%. LOL! He's doing everything legally within the IRC.

The politicians wrote the tax code for themselves. It's your job to use it to your advantage. If you're not, you have no one to blame but the person you see in the mirror every morning.

thunderlips11 says

Russia in 1921 made Georgia after Sherman's March to the sea in 1865 look idyllic, prosperous and whole.

1921 was the year of "Red Terror", "Labor Army" and other "idyllic" things.

E-man says

How many people do you know that escape from a capitalist country to a communist country?

Ask him which direction his own parents went.

thunderlips11 says

You're comparing a country that hadn't fought a war on it's soil for more than half a century (and one with an invading foreign power in over a century), with one that went straight from WW1 into a bloody Civil War that covered an entire decade of combat, mostly fought on it's own soil. One that already redistributed free land to the Peasants (Homestead Act thanks to the Dixie Kulaks being out of Congress) versus one that had yet to do so. So I can't see how that's possibly relevant in making a comparison between the two countries.

And that is the point. no private property verses private property.

Straw Man says

1921 was the year of "Red Terror", "Labor Army" and other "idyllic" things.

Or Denikin's Pograms, 100-150,000 Jews murdered by the White Army.

China is using the best features of both systems to take over the world.

carrieon says

China is using the best features of both systems to take over the world.

how is that working out right now?

E-man says

How many people do you know that escape from a communist country to a capitalist country? How many people do you know that escape from a capitalist country to a communist country?

How many communists do you even know, who would leave America for a communist country?
Answer: None
Example: Dan

Capitalism when you screw up they fire you.
Communism when you mess up they shoot with an anti Aircraft gun, make your family watch. Then reveal and even more horrible fate for them, just for being my relative.

Tenpoundbass says

Capitalism when you screw up they fire you.

Communism when you mess up they shoot with an anti Aircraft gun, make your family watch. Then reveal and even more horrible fate for them, just for being my relative.

The most private of private property there is, i.e. your body.

P N Dr Lo R says

Soviet Russia 1921:

In the story accompanying this photo, the food they are receiving in this line during the famine engineered by V. I. Lenin under collectivization comes from America.

Indiana Jones says

America, 1931:

Yes, I know all about the bread lines in America, 1931, my parents were 29 and 33 that year and never unemployed, but those that were were better off than the Russians. Sadly, a lot of Americans bought the Russian lie about everyone having a job and no poverty and picked up and moved to Russia, only to find themselves trapped there and were ultimately killed in Stalin's genocide of 1938. It's related in heartbreaking detail in the book The Forsaken: An American Tragedy in Stalin's Russia by Tim Tzouladis.

P N Dr Lo R says

In the story accompanying this photo, the food they are receiving in this line during the famine engineered by V. I. Lenin under collectivization comes from America.

And that pales in comparison to Mao's starving to death 45 million, also in the name of communism and a better way

Who's got better looking women?

Blurtman says

Who's got better looking women?

I know the Russians have better looking spies.

Tenpoundbass says

Communism when you mess up they shoot with an anti Aircraft gun, make your family watch. Then reveal and even more horrible fate for them, just for being my relative.

You forgot the invoice they then send the family for the cost of the bullet.

indigenous says

And that pales in comparison to Mao's starving to death 45 million, also in the name of communism and a better way

Communism in the modern world has been a utter disaster with Russia, their eastern bloc allies, China, North Korea, North Vietnam, Cambodia, and Ciba commuting some of the most vile acts in history against their own people.

Now today you have a bunch of imbeciles screaming for more of the same not realizing that the more centralized a government gets, the more it becomes ripe for abuse of power. And even stupider, the people screaming for no borders which is such a miserable idea, a President who has sanctioned that idea via executive order, and a Democrat Party that actually accepts donations from a person who funds groups intent on circumventing US immigration policy. It's doesn't get much more corrupt.

dodgerfanjohn says

Communism in the modern world has been a utter disaster with Russia, their eastern bloc allies, China, North Korea, North Vietnam, Cambodia, and Ciba commuting some of the most vile acts in history against their own people.

Don't forget the famous communist Adolf Hitler

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=519

Is fascism communism?
Indeed, fascism is closely related to communism in both theory and practice. The chief difference between the two is that fascism is rooted in nationalism and seeks to create a socialist utopia within the confines of a particular country's borders; thus the Nazis, for instance, embraced “National Socialism.”

http://nikitas3.com/4276/did-you-know-that-hitler-was-a-communist/

Did You Know that Hitler was a Communist?
Posted on March 26, 2013 by Nikitas
Over and over we hear certain things about history, “facts” that have become accepted.

One is that Adolph Hitler and his nazi regime were ‘fascists’ and that they despised communists like Stalin in the Soviet Union because fascism is somehow the opposite of communism.

This is nonsense. Hitler was a communist. His regime wanted complete government control over all of the German people and the economy. It even was called National Socialism.

So how has the myth evolved that Hitler was something other than a communist?

It is easily explained: Violent communist mass murderers are always overlooked or excused in the left-wing world media and by the American university elites. Thus Hitler, the personification of evil whose genocide was well known to Americans, would be called something other than a communist.

This is why Soviet communist dictator Joseph Stalin frequently was and is even portrayed today by many as “a friend of America”. Ostensibly the reason is because America and the Soviet Union fought a common enemy in World War II – Hitler’s nazi regime. But this is a media feint.

Stalin was no friend of America or anyone else. Stalin was a mass murderer of the worst kind who executed or starved to death 30 million or more Russians and Ukrainians for political expediency. Meanwhile communism destroyed the economic lives of hundreds of millions of people in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe during the 20th century.

But people on the American left do not want you to know that. They wanted and they want you to think of Stalin as “Uncle Joe” who helped us to win World War II.

In one of the most blatant examples of media treachery of the entire 20th century British-born Walter Duranty served as the Moscow bureau chief of the New York Times in Moscow from 1922 to 1936, long before World War II. He issued glowing reports about the Soviet Union despite widespread genocide and starvation under Lenin and Stalin. He even won a Pulitzer Prize in 1932.

Then throughout the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s and up until today millions of leftists in the West, and most prominently in the European/American media and universities, have said that the Soviet system really wasn’t so bad. The examples are endless.

This media manipulation continues. During the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, China NBC host Brian Williams appeared on several occasions in Tienanmen Square in front of a huge public portrait of Mao Tse-Tung (1893-1976), the atheist communist dictator who was the most vicious genocidal murderer in world history.

Up to 60 million Chinese were either executed for political reasons or died of starvation during the Mao Tse-Tung regime, which seized power in 1949. Hundreds of millions Chinese were reduced to destitution in a nation that throughout much of history was the wealthiest in the world.

Williams and NBC were essentially seeking to subliminally excuse, exonerate and elevate Mao Tse-Tung by repeatedly showing his portrait as if he were a legitimate leader, thus obliterating the horrible truth just as the real nature of Hitler’s communism is always manipulated by the American media and the university elites.

Even Obama’s former White House communications director Anita Dunn once said that Mao Tse-Tung was one of her role models. Obama’s Department of Education even had a Mao Tse-Tung quote on its website. It is unbelievable how brazen these people are in their reverence for these genocidal maniacs.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2011/09/01/obama-hitler-and-exploding-the-biggest-lie-in-history/2/#47adb7a62f78

Fabian socialism is very thin. Fabian socialism is the dream. Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator.” John T. Flynn

Numerous commentators have raised alarming comparisons between America’s recent economic foibles and Argentina’s fall “from breadbasket to basket case.” The U.S. pursues a similar path with her economy increasingly ensnared under the growing nexus of government control. Resources are redistributed for vote-buying welfare schemes, patronage style earmarks, and graft by unelected bureaucrats, quid pro quo with unions, issue groups and legions of lobbyists.

In Argentina, everyone acknowledges that fascism, state capitalism, corporatism – whatever – reflects very leftwing ideology. Eva Peron remains a liberal icon. President Obama’s Fabian policies (Keynesian economics) promise similar ends. His proposed infrastructure bank is just the latest gyration of corporatism. Why then are fascists consistently portrayed as conservatives?

In the Thirties, intellectuals smitten by progressivism considered limited, constitutional governance anachronistic. The Great Depression had apparently proven capitalism defunct. The remaining choice had narrowed between communism and fascism. Hitler was about an inch to the right of Stalin. Western intellectuals infatuated with Marxism thus associated fascism with the Right.

Later, Marxists from the Frankfurt School popularized this prevailing sentiment. Theodor Adorno in The Authoritarian Personality devised the “F” scale to demean conservatives as latent fascists. The label “fascist” has subsequently meant anyone liberals seek to ostracize or discredit.

Fascism is an amorphous ideology mobilizing an entire nation (Mussolini, Franco and Peron) or race (Hitler) for a common purpose. Leaders of industry, science, education, the arts and politics combine to shepherd society in an all encompassing quest. Hitler’s premise was a pure Aryan Germany capable of dominating Europe.

While he feinted right, Hitler and Stalin were natural bedfellows. Hitler mimicked Lenin’s path to totalitarian tyranny, parlaying crises into power. Nazis despised Marxists not over ideology, but because they had betrayed Germany in World War I and Nazis found it unconscionable that German communists yielded fealty to Slavs in Moscow.

The National Socialist German Workers Party staged elaborate marches with uniformed workers calling one another “comrade” while toting tools the way soldiers shoulder rifles. The bright red Nazi flag symbolized socialism in a “classless, casteless” Germany (white represents Aryanism). Fascist central planning was not egalitarian, but it divvied up economic rewards very similarly to communism: party membership and partnering with the state.

Where communists generally focused on class, Nazis fixated on race. Communists view life through the prism of a perpetual workers’ revolution. National Socialists used race as a metaphor to justify their nation’s engagement in an existential struggle.

indigenous says

http://nikitas3.com/4276/did-you-know-that-hitler-was-a-communist/

You've outdone yourself. This is the most insane idiotic thing you've ever posted, which is a very, very high hurdle.

bob2356 says

You've outdone yourself. This is the most insane idiotic thing you've ever posted, which is a very, very high hurdle.

excellent opining

This is damning evidence...

P N Dr Lo R says

P N Dr Lo R says

Soviet Russia 1921:

In the story accompanying this photo, the food they are receiving in this line during the famine engineered by V. I. Lenin under collectivization comes from America.

It's not as bad as it seems. They offered net terms...

turtledove says

Tenpoundbass says

Communism when you mess up they shoot with an anti Aircraft gun, make your family watch. Then reveal and even more horrible fate for them, just for being my relative.

You forgot the invoice they then send the family for the cost of the bullet.