Igor received refugee status in the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, and this does not plan to stop. Despite the fact that live near Lvov wife and two children, a man with whom excellent relations.
With professional refugees ERB met by chance. A well-dressed middle-aged man for a week living at the Minsk railway station. He came to check what are the conditions for migrants offers Belarus. On the first day I realized that would not stay here. I stopped to see the city a little bit. The man refused to be photographed, they say, who knows what! But to tell his story I agreed with pleasure.
Euroradio: How did you become a professional refugees?
Igor: It happened, consider accident. In 1993-1994, I worked in Poland and the Czech Republic. Our employer was a lot of money, we have to work. And he says: "If you want, I'll tell you one thing, you're going to be grateful for life, and for that I will no longer owe you money?". And he told how was illegal migrants in Bavaria, invited me to go and live with him there safely. I'm interested in.
I remember 1994, the year, autumn, late October ... I even remember what city to illegally cross the border: Damazhlitse, out of the village on the forest and Maxim went to Bavaria. He drew me a map. There is, incidentally, very good cards in stores are sold. We will not find these even see where some trees. We went together with a friend, for boys age 25. They took with marmalade, all tubes - a set of spy (laughs). Be sure to get new clothes, all entirely: boots, pants, jacket.
All my clothes camouflage - in the bag and into the water. They went out on the track, catch a school bus ride. Peraapranunyya, neat, all right. They arrived at KÑ‘ltsynga, from there to Regensburg, and then - already in Munich. In Munich, I already know the address: Untersberg Strasse, 67 - collection point for refugees. There, by the way, next to a church, the Russian office is at 14 o'clock, Ukrainian - in 16. All the nuns in the main - from Argentina, Ukrainian themselves, and live in Germany.
We came to look, but you need a passport in advance to destroy.
Euroradio: That is still at the very beginning?
Igor: Yes! You're a different person. Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov, a resident of the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan, either, but not really ... that there were no problems. If you hide your passport, then he can always accidentally get somewhere is not there. There's no passport you are king, with a passport - a problem. That is, it is not so, as we have, all the way around.
Giving up on this collection point and say that there are no documents. We ask who you are. Herr Herr Ivanov and Petrov. And we have just sent. Immediately run to the Russian-speaking Russian. We were just two Georgians came to meet friends, one of them a journalist in the past. Ten days in the camp decide where to send you. We were due to go to the city Kempten near the Swiss border.
There have been three months. During this time we have three interviews. The first interview about how we arrived. Second Interview - motive, why did you decide to leave ... They seem to be political, religious, moral, and what few people know - due to illness. The man, whose child is sick, some very serious illness ... that homeland is treated poorly, or not treated, it may seem there. And it will be treated for one year, will not be asked about the documents will give the hotel would pay something like 300 euros ...
And that's where we lived for three months with refugees from Morocco, Cambodia, Vietnam ... in short, you have a relationship with completely different people. I have there at the moment. Basically, all the workers there are very loyal to each other, friendly and almost no conflicts arise. There I even tried football match between Afghanistan and Iran. Dining at the highest level: meat, chicken, whatever you want. Three times a day to feed. Take all you want! Are the huge bowls of sugar, tea, coffee, milk, cocoa ...
The schedule is as follows: in the morning breakfast and go play in the city, come - dinner, ate and again in the city, but already there is dinner.
And all migrants live assistance and steal, because nothing of it will not be
Euroradio: Were there people that really was a friend, not just spending time?
Igor: I made ​​friends there with a man from Syria, Damascus. He was older, so solid, with a trunk ... Mr. Jamil. He applied for asylum somewhere in the 15 countries. Twenty years was not at home, the children have grown up, he had three daughters. Basically, he had previously worked in Zaire diamond mines. He talked a lot about his life. But after three months, there is such a thing as a transfer, so we have parted with him.
Basically, in Bavaria do not want to leave, spread over the whole of Germany, and may be referred to a small village to two thousand people. But we have other distributed Bravnshvayk, which is considered a great city. It was not bad. There I met with people from Georgia, where there is a lot there. And all migrants live help, it is everywhere different 300 euros per month, 147 ... By the way, in Bavaria is very low - 47 euros. According to the law, you can not work for three years, there is simply no such right. Therefore, all migrants steal.
Dress all in stores, eat in the stores, etc. In short, for three years all get used to steal and then later simply do not want to work. They are to blame, because of their legal migrants for it will be nothing. In Bavaria, tough, planted there may even year. And the prison there is very heavy, I know from experience. But in the eastern lands well.
In short, the shuttle arrives, they give you a card for the calculation of benefits, provide medical card and you are free. Now you have Alexander Petrovich Ivanov from Irkutsk and Vladivostok and live in Germany. How do you actually nobody checks. Once a year, give scribble with which you go to the Russian consulate, where you ask, home you want? You say no, and they give you a piece of paper that you were at the consulate. A year later, he repeated the same thing. They give you a lawyer, and if you give him even pay extra 200-300 Euros, then you never will not go to Germany.
Euroradio: where to take them when help is so small and can not work?
Igor: They steal! I go to the store to receive three coats Giorgio Armani and sell them to outbid. For example, each jacket is 265 euros, I sell them for half the price and in my pocket 500 euros. And it is just 20-30 minutes. And how to steal, you will be taught. I was taught the Russians how to pack, how to make armor that is not food ... in short, it's a trick. A catch, still nothing. Well, draw up a report. In Saxony twenty unsuccessful attempts to steal - a month in prison. As the resort rested, I went out and the old. After this one will not operate. Such laws for their workers.
And even if you want to work, no one will take. The Germans, who hiring refugee fined 50 thousand euros ... Who needs it?
Serbia after the semi-annual migration back home and live there "like stealing" five years
Euroradio: And you got home? Why is that?
Igor: The first time left, since his mother was ill. And tired of these partying, discos ... There are permanent International Organization for Migration, you come and say, do not want to! They give you a piece of paper, you go, and depending on the time you were abroad, they give you money. In the two years that I have lived, I was given 6,700 euros. No deportations, no nothing. You just get a plane ticket at the airport they give you money and you fly home. Such system.
By the way, some Serbs still live. I had neighbors. They come to the family. I was one and, for example, in Holland received 260 Euros in Germany - 200, Norway - 500 in Sweden - 220, Finland - $ 500. In Sweden, the good news is that you get home, and if you know how to drive a car, then the car. But all the countries I have not traveled, while there is still stock.
So, my neighbors from Serbia! The couple and four children. They receive help something like 4,000 a month. They sit like this for six months, and then home. He told me that when he returns home to live "like a steal" for five years, with the money collected and pay for the return to their homeland.
Euroradio: So why do not you marry it?
Igor: There married - no question! Russian German in Germany itself offers a sign, they say, sign, and you legalized man! But why me? When I was legalized, then I go to the store, and I'll take the throne! I do not profitable to me to be a refugee profitable! By the way, here I looked at the amount of alcohol in Minsk bartenders behind bars ... so it's probably only a fifth of Barrois my home in Germany. Believe me, there's nothing you do not want to eat or drink anything, just want to home.
If you stay to live in the Kingdom of the Netherlands I really like.
Euroradio: But you are married, huh?
Igor: Yes, I was married when he returned to Ukraine. I have a son and then went again. It is very difficult emotionally. At this time, when I was leaving, his wife was pregnant. The second son was born without me. Who is the youngest of three months and older is seven years old.
Euroradio: So why did you and leave?
Igor: Because you live there, and send money home, clothing ... you fully provide for his family. But if you think it's easy, it is not! You're out there alone, you always pulls home to the children, to his wife, and take them to himself until maybe not.
For this reason, many refugees are beginning to drink a lot. The hostels are mainly Muslims live, and they do not have to drink, they smoke. I come here and I have such a mountain of hashish on the table (pointing hands mound 20 cm and a diameter of 40 - Evaradyё). They have since opened.
And every day I am asked where my family. A family with even more economical to live there. We have there a lot can earn! And my wife is the chef, prepares great. In short, in five years we will be there with his wife earned a hook to live a normal life at home.
Euroradio: That is, to move his family and stay somewhere to live forever, that option is not considered?
Igor: I had left to live, in some kingdom, principality or duchy. It is very pleasant to me in Luxembourg ... absolutely everything is different. Netherlands ... That Germany, like everything in them is good and so on, but the Netherlands! When was the Queen Beatrix, I always went to all the ceremonies. It was possible to ten meters, and even less to approach her, take pictures and no protection. Everything is so symbolic, because ... well, the people there are very different. Republic, presidents, chancellors - all this is not when other people. I prefer the population, if it is at the kings, dukes ...
And like the Netherlands also because they have such a thing as the status. I have already given a residence permit, but I did not understand and left. A left - everything. And there I stayed for the sake of the children. They have a great sport. Such opportunities kickboxing and football, that if you are a big guy, you do not become a champion - it is impossible. Football ticket to school Cumana, where he even comes to teach, costs 10 euros per year. Footballers grown there is fleas.
And in our countries capacity zero. Rich, a lot of money - this is all nonsense, because the importance of the environment! Our environment is not conducive. And there live in peace ... I lived in a small town Lyutlhest. Prior to 1984, the province did not exist, it namyli, there are eight meters below sea level. And there goes the fair boats. And grandparents go and choose to buy a yacht to retire - at 2.5-3 million euros. Class.
They also give tickets for language learners. Do you go with your children, there are special classes. And this is for you and the money paid. There are those that, ten years in this school and go boom-boom (laughs). And their grandchildren had spoken as a mother and mock grandparents.
Belarus has no conditions for migrants!
Euroradio: Why did you come to Belarus? There are also some good conditions?
Igor: Yes, no! I Tried. I love all the check on their own experience. There I was told that only people from the combat zone Acts in eastern Ukraine. Like, you can apply to Russia, there is no question take, since the age of conscription. In order not to go to war in general relativity. And even if I had, and have your refugee camp, I was there for a week would be eaten. I'm from the west, and there mainly east. And I can not live with their mentality.
So, I'll go back to Europe. But I have plans to try to get to Canada. There are excellent conditions. If the family still will drag, so all the refugees ... There you can take great credit. If your family, about a million dollars can be taken. And then across the border to the United States, and homes. I have enough money until the end of life. And I know that if I conceived when said to myself, then so be it.
Euroradio: In Belarus, you've been?
Igor: Week. I live on the station. But I will leave. The other day I almost took a bottle of wine, which I basked, hidden in the park. He drank out of his pocket, quietly, and they came up and started. But released.
In Germany there are even entire villages, where they live among Russian, where even the police do not travel.
Euroradio: You talked about the mentality of eastern Ukrainians. And what Belarusians are very different if you were thinking about emigrating here?
Igor: Belarusians - a cross between the Germans and the Lithuanians. They are smooth, measured, calm ... and eastern Ukrainians ... they are, know how to Russian in Germany. They're not wanted. They have a lot of problems, they drink, drink too much, use methadone. There's a comfortable environment that a person has died. In Germany, the Russian died in batches. You provide all there, but if you are weak-willed, if you do not understand, when he was in such a pleasure and keep yourself in the hands - everything. In the month of 25-30 people hid.
But there are many, and those who are more intelligent that survives. There are quite a few, and those that do not recognize that the Russian and speak Russian. If you want to live a normal life, it is best to do so. I once was on a visit to the Russian and was shocked. In the apartment was a great deal of weapons. They've got their own gangs who rent warehouses and trafficked stolen home containers. By the way, in Scandinavia there is a very large group of Belarusian refugees, who are engaged. They are trafficked here clothes and stuff, and then, apparently, realize ...
In Germany there are even entire villages, where they live among Russian, where even the police do not travel. Unless if someone killed. I was in a village, I jokingly suggested to go to Russia, and I agreed. This Baden-Wurttemberg, whose capital Stuttgart. There's generally a lot of immigrants live mostly Greeks and Italians, they even grow shops with their national colors.
Euroradio: And their children will be taught professional refugee?
Igor: I would not want them to repeat my destiny. I want them to be legalized, but I will learn. Just to know how and what happens. To know, and by example are not checked. And you never know what, maybe it is useful to them, and when.
And I myself will be a lifetime refugees. Many in this romantic, you know. By pryzvychayvaeshsya and all other life already seems uninteresting. And from there everything is good medicine. Even the dentist. It is necessary that you did not have six teeth. What I want to do, you want - vybi them. And then write a statement and go free treat. All the better to put! And once I was in the same room with rich Germans. Maybe even a millionaire. And the attitude to us was the same. Well, tell me, give it up?
Honestly tell you, I can any person to prepare for migration. That he did not stuffed those cones that I stuffed and options out there for that much (laughs)!
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