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U.S. no longer investing in young scientists


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2015 Jan 7, 2:58pm   2,465 views  12 comments

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http://phys.org/news/2015-01-science-young-increasingly-denied-grants.html

America's youngest scientists, increasingly losing research dollars, are leaving the academic biomedical workforce, a brain drain that poses grave risks for the future of science, according to an article published this week by Johns Hopkins University President Ronald J. Daniels.

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1   The Original Bankster   2015 Jan 7, 3:44pm  

US no longer investing in anyone but these fucking retard hipster rich kid faggots.

2   Rin   2015 Jan 7, 6:24pm  

This is old news. There are fewer and fewer junior principal investigators these days. The money is being corralled by the old guard who have tenure.

More and more PhD recipients will be postdocs and adjunct profs, for the rest of their lives. And thus, it's only natural that they leave for some unix admin or programming job, once it's clear that they'll be doing postdocs for life.

3   Strategist   2015 Jan 7, 7:27pm  

tovarichpeter says

U.S. no longer investing in young scientists

Rin says

More and more PhD recipients will be postdocs and adjunct profs, for the rest of their lives. And thus, it's only natural that they leave for some unix admin or programming job, once it's clear that they'll be doing postdocs for life.

We are still numero uno.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-30657486

4   Rin   2015 Jan 7, 7:41pm  

Strategist says

Rin says

More and more PhD recipients will be postdocs and adjunct profs, for the rest of their lives. And thus, it's only natural that they leave for some unix admin or programming job, once it's clear that they'll be doing postdocs for life.

We are still numero uno.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-30657486

The thing is that principal investigators have their PhD students and postdocs run all kinds of scenarios for them, to later take credit for that work.

5   Strategist   2015 Jan 7, 7:44pm  

Rin says

Strategist says

Rin says

More and more PhD recipients will be postdocs and adjunct profs, for the rest of their lives. And thus, it's only natural that they leave for some unix admin or programming job, once it's clear that they'll be doing postdocs for life.

We are still numero uno.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-30657486

The thing is that principal investigators have their PhD students and postdocs run all kinds of scenarios for them, to later take credit for that work.

I hear that all the time, but if the principals are the ones directing the research and making key decisions, they should get the credit.

6   just_passing_through   2015 Jan 7, 7:48pm  

tovarichpeter says

U.S. no longer investing in young scientists

Aaand we're replacing it with crap like this:

http://projectreporter.nih.gov/project_info_description.cfm?aid=8669524&icde=21946917

Fat chicks have less sex and riskier sex overall but it's not because they're fat. We'll prove it.

7   just_passing_through   2015 Jan 7, 7:53pm  

PS. NIH gave almost 0.5 million for that 'study'.

8   Rin   2015 Jan 7, 8:12pm  

Strategist says

I hear that all the time, but if the principals are the ones directing the research and making key decisions, they should get the credit.

It's not as simple as that. This isn't corporate America, where everyone walks around like a zombie.

In academia, a lot of students believe that applying their creativity, is the way to go. And thus, they come up with experiments/scenarios, which others haven't thought about earlier.

Then, the greedy advisors show up and then, pretend that it was their original idea and that the student only executed the protocols. This is why the academy is such a joke today.

I'd seen so many angry PhDs and postdocs in the last decade, that I'm surprised that we don't have more mass shootings at universities these days.

9   Strategist   2015 Jan 7, 8:59pm  

Rin says

Strategist says

I hear that all the time, but if the principals are the ones directing the research and making key decisions, they should get the credit.

It's not as simple as that. This isn't corporate America, where everyone walks around like a zombie.

In academia, a lot of students believe that applying their creativity, is the way to go. And thus, they come up with experiments/scenarios, which others haven't thought about earlier.

Then, the greedy advisors show up and then, pretend that it was their original idea and that the student only executed the protocols. This is why the academy is such a joke today.

I'd seen so many angry PhDs and postdocs in the last decade, that I'm surprised that we don't have more mass shootings at universities these days.

OK, I'm sure you have a valid point. So how should Noble prizes be awarded?

10   Rin   2015 Jan 7, 9:24pm  

Strategist says

OK, I'm sure you have a valid point. So how should Noble prizes be awarded?

Obviously, someone needs to be dubbed the "owner".

Unfortunately, given the current glut of PhDs/postdocs in the system, this is no longer a viable situation.

Until the system is cleaned up, where the PI is in fact, the true originator of the ideas and then, the PhDs/postdocs are the worker bees to exact those ideas, we have an unsolvable dilemma.

11   Strategist   2015 Jan 7, 9:27pm  

Rin says

Strategist says

OK, I'm sure you have a valid point. So how should Noble prizes be awarded?

Obviously, someone needs to be dubbed the "owner".

Unfortunately, given the current glut of PhDs/postdocs in the system, this is no longer a viable situation.

Until the system is cleaned up, where the PI is in fact, the true originator of the ideas and then, the PhDs/postdocs are the worker bees to exact those ideas, we have an unsolvable dilemma.

As long as mankind benefits, it won't matter.

12   Rin   2015 Jan 7, 9:30pm  

Strategist says

As long as mankind benefits, it won't matter.

Until that PI is shot dead, by the guy who he'd ripped off.

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