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I should have dressed up as Prince Ulcer just for balance.

Half the students at a US medical school are women. An MD program is a masters in the biosciences with clinical rotations.

Thus, women do study the sciences but it's in an area with a guaranteed job with a high average income.

Rin says

Thus, women do study the sciences but it's in an area with a guaranteed job with a high average income.

Doctors are the only branch of STEM which is shown respect and admiration by Hollywood. Think about it. Hollywood depicts doctors, male and female, as sexy while depicting all other STEM fields as social pariahs. This is exactly why there are so few women in STEM. Women are highly conformist, particularly when it comes to social image.

Funny you should mention that.

My wife loves that ER shit. It's pretty much great looking characters who aren't burned out or busy as medical professionals, but always have plenty of time for a great deal of personal freakin' drama.

Each character probably has more romance drama in 2 episodes than most people have in years.

Dan8267 says

all other STEM fields as social pariahs

Aside from re-runs of 'MacGyver', what STEM fields have had a positive image in TV land, aside from let's say a big corporate CEO type, who owns a tech corporation?

thunderlips11 says

It's pretty much great looking characters who aren't burned out or busy as medical professionals, but always have plenty of time for a great deal of personal freakin' drama.

And that's just it, these shows coverup for the fact that many real life doctors have broken homes and so-forth. In reality, instead of banging hot nurses and physical therapists all day long, doctors are seeing patients, 5-8 mins at a time, and spending the rest of their time on admin stuff. Sure, they can bang a nurse but afterwards, they may get sued for harassment.

Rin says

Aside from re-runs of 'MacGyver', what STEM fields have had a positive image in TV land, aside from let's say a big corporate CEO type, who owns a tech corporation?

Entire Star Trek franchise
Bones
CSI whereever
Eureka

Those are the ones that come to mind.

New Renter says

Rin says

Aside from re-runs of 'MacGyver', what STEM fields have had a positive image in TV land, aside from let's say a big corporate CEO type, who owns a tech corporation?

Entire Star Trek franchise

Bones

CSI whereever

Eureka

Those are the ones that come to mind.

Not really, ST is really about the holodeck, to satisfy the needs of STEM workers.

Everything else is just another cop drama. During our parents' times, that was Kojak, Quincy, etc.

Rin says

hunderlips11 says

It's pretty much great looking characters who aren't burned out or busy as medical professionals, but always have plenty of time for a great deal of personal freakin' drama.

And that's just it, these shows coverup for the fact that many real life doctors have broken homes and so-forth. In reality, instead of banging hot nurses and physical therapists all day long, doctors are seeing patients, 5-8 mins at a time, and spending the rest of their time on admin stuff. Sure, they can bang a nurse but afterwards, they may get sued for harassment.

What's worse to me are how many shows feature characters whose identities are their jobs. Every episode is work work work. On the occasional very special episode where they are forced to take a vacation they are uncomfortable and itching to get back to work.

Yet somehow when you do see their homes they are perfect. Clean, no crap all over the place, walls freshly painted, no dishes in the sink.

Now THAT'S fantasy.

Rin says

New Renter says

Rin says

Aside from re-runs of 'MacGyver', what STEM fields have had a positive image in TV land, aside from let's say a big corporate CEO type, who owns a tech corporation?

Entire Star Trek franchise

Bones

CSI whereever

Eureka

Those are the ones that come to mind.

Not really, ST is really about the holodeck, to satisfy the needs of STEM workers.

Everything else is just another cop drama. During our parents' times, that was Kojak, Quincy, etc.

Cop dramas are pretty popular. Cop dramas do tend to show STEM in a positive to at worst neutral light.

Rin says

Not really, ST is really about the holodeck, to satisfy the needs of STEM workers.

There was no holodeck in the original series nor in Enterprise. Its worth noting
T-Pol went for the chief engineer, not the captain or security guy. Even Spock had women after him.

It is easier for a girl to marry a geek and spend his money and then take half his fortune-than actually put in the hard work to be in tech??

lostand confused says

It is easier for a girl to marry a geek and spend his money and then take half his fortune-than actually put in the hard work to be in tech??

Easier to do the same to a FIRE guy and get access to some real money.

i think they simply suck at techs

They suck at tech, but they are techs at suck.

New Renter says

Cop dramas are pretty popular. Cop dramas do tend to show STEM in a positive to at worst neutral light.

The thing is that the power in cop dramas, is the flashing of the badge, not the STEM stuff. Women are obviously drawn to the powerful officer in charge.

New Renter says

There was no holodeck in the original series nor in Enterprise. Its worth noting

T-Pol went for the chief engineer

The whole T'Pol, or was it T*t pole, was deemed as a joke by all viewers of Enterprise. She was eye candy with knockers to keep viewers distracted. At least Voyager's Seven of Nine was a sidebar and not a centerpiece of the series.

Rin says

The thing is that the power in cop dramas, is the flashing of the badge, not the STEM stuff. Women are obviously drawn to the powerful officer in charge.

Sometimes, but its a cop drama after all. You'll also notice most of those cops have no lives, crappy homes, crappy family lives, low pay (yet still manage to dress well), eat like crap, and sometimes put themselves in great personal danger and/or die just days before retiring with a full pension.

Those shows also tend to portray STEM workers providing the essential proof to bring criminals to justice as much as the cops themselves. The lab techs lives suck as much as the cops so at least there is equality there.

Rin says

She was eye candy with knockers to keep viewers distracted.

Distracted from what?

(obviously she worked on me... )

New Renter says

Rin says

She was eye candy with knockers to keep viewers distracted.

Distracted from what?

(obviously she worked on me... )

It distracted me from the plot of the series. I'd forgotten much of it, aside from the dream of girl-on-girl action between Hoshi and T'Pol.

New Renter says

Yet somehow when you do see their homes they are perfect. Clean, no crap all over the place, walls freshly painted, no dishes in the sink.

Why are all the lawns in "Walking Dead" mowed, four years after the apocalypse?

My sister in law is a programmer, clearly a branch of STEM. And she's cute, thin, and a mom of three. But even she knows she's a total unicorn.

Quigley says

And she's cute, thin, and a mom of three. But even she knows she's a total unicorn.

I think more women were in STEM majors (aside from premed/med), some decade and half ago, than today. I recall women studying chemical & industrial engineering, along with computer science. Today, that group has dwindled.

John Bailo says

New Renter says

Yet somehow when you do see their homes they are perfect. Clean, no crap all over the place, walls freshly painted, no dishes in the sink.

Why are all the lawns in "Walking Dead" mowed, four years after the apocalypse?

Zombies, like cows, eat grass.

New Renter says

On the occasional very special episode where they are forced to take a vacation they are uncomfortable and itching to get back to work.

There's a name for this disease, it's occupational nostalgia mixed in with a bit of wage slave-itis.

New Renter says

Yet somehow when you do see their homes they are perfect. Clean, no crap all over the place, walls freshly painted, no dishes in the sink.

Both awesome observations, thanks NR.

Rin says

It distracted me from the plot of the series. I'd forgotten much of it, aside from the dream of girl-on-girl action between Hoshi and T'Pol.

Nice Photoshop! Your work?

New Renter says

Rin says

It distracted me from the plot of the series. I'd forgotten much of it, aside from the dream of girl-on-girl action between Hoshi and T'Pol.

Nice Photoshop! Your work?

No, but someone who'd clearly read my mind :-)

Rin says

It distracted me from the plot of the series.

Did it actually have a plot?

Captain Archer should have quantum leaped into Sterling Archer's body. That would be fun.

Enterprise was the weakest of the ST series. It was not memorable, esp those lame Andorians.

Thus, it was T'Pol watching. For me, however, I wanted Hoshi to get a b**b job, so that she'd also have D cups like T'Pol and then, it would be a great one-on-one show.

In fact ... I might have to make some calls and get that fantasy sequence setup in Sydney, the next time I get a chance to go Down Under.

Just so you know that ST Voyager was a superior show, I was able to watch it and pay attention to the storylines, without needing to imagine Kes and Seven getting it on.

Firefly had hotter women.

Peter P says

Firefly had hotter women.

That's how you know that Firefly was a great show. I didn't think about doing nasty things with any of the gals on that show, though I'm keeping an eye out for a Summer Glau look-a-like on the road.

What about Battlestar Galactica?

Sex-bots gone rouge.

Rin says

without needing to imagine Kes and Seven getting it on.

Funny, it was Kes and Neelix I was worried WOULD get it on.

Yeech!

Rin says

Peter P says

Firefly had hotter women.

That's how you know that Firefly was a great show. I didn't think about doing nasty things with any of the gals on that show, though I'm keeping an eye out for a Summer Glau look-a-like on the road.

Did you watch Terminator, the Sarah Conner Chronicles?

If not you should.

Peter P says

What about Battlestar Galactica?

Sex-bots gone rouge.

They weren't all sex-bots...Unless you're into Dean Stockwell.

Peter P says

What about Battlestar Galactica?

Sex-bots gone rouge.

Yeah, except that the show lost me with Boomer and Starbuck as gals. As a kid, I used to love the Three Musketeers of Apollo, Boomer, and Starbuck. The original actor who'd played Apollo, was far better as Tom Zarek, than the new guy was playing a whiny Apollo.

New Renter says

Did you watch Terminator, the Sarah Conner Chronicles?

If not you should.

Of course, I wish I were John Connor. Forget attending school, I'd be banging away all the time.

New Renter says

Peter P says

What about Battlestar Galactica?

Sex-bots gone rouge.

They weren't all sex-bots...Unless you're into Dean Stockwell.

Hey, a highly advanced society is not likely to be biased! :-)

Peter P says

New Renter says

Peter P says

What about Battlestar Galactica?

Sex-bots gone rouge.

They weren't all sex-bots...Unless you're into Dean Stockwell.

Hey, a highly advanced society is not likely to be biased! :-)

OK, you get the Dean Stockwell and I'll stick with Tricia Helfer and Grace Park

New Renter says

Rin says

without needing to imagine Kes and Seven getting it on.

Funny, it was Kes and Neelix I was worried WOULD get it on.

Yeech!

I was thinking that the doctor would have given it a whirl. Plus, why weren't other crew members chasing after Kes? She's the ultimate girl next door premed type, but who's nice/innocent and not naughty about her academics.

Rin says

New Renter says

Did you watch Terminator, the Sarah Conner Chronicles?

If not you should.

Of course, I wish I were John Connor. Forget attending school, I'd be banging away all the time.

The fact a teenage boy was in that situation and DIDN'T bang the robot 24/7/365 with mom standing lookout was the most unrealistic part of that whole series.

Sarah wanted him to keep a low profile, what better way than to have him happily locked in a bedroom?

Which one is worse, DS9 or Enterprise?