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I'd rather be a hooker taster in Montreal. Rin has poisoned my mind.

I think even Rin would enjoy my wine bar.

You'll make more money with the Wine Chugging competition.

CaptainShuddup says

You'll make more money with the Wine Chugging competition.

I don't know about that. Good wine has a good profit margin.

It may be a great pair of ideas, but it's definitely two ideas not one.

patrons will be encouraged to taste wine and guess which variety it is on their phone.

That may be a great idea for a smartphone app. You could partner with existing wine bars to promote it, and connect it to social media so people can post their scores and compare or compete with their friends (e.g., if they get a good enough score that they grant permission to show their friends...). You might partner with one or more existing wine bars that might benefit from a new theme or at least an event night; for example, some bars with pool tables have pool league nights, and others have other theme nights to draw other crowds. You or the wine bar owners could partner with wine labels to promote tasting and rating their wines.

At a minimum, the project depends on obtaining a liquor license from the city of San Francisco.

The project depends on that only if you define the project to include starting the wine bar. Those take a lot of time, and hands-on attention.

This could be difficult.

It's only 2pm but I think that will probably win for the understatement of the day award. Also, getting the license would not be the only difficulty in starting a bar, which would need staff and inventory and promotion and on and on.

In fact, starting a wine bar might actually undercut the app idea. Local wine bar owners might be less likely to partner with you if they think you might try to promote your bar over theirs. Even in other markets, people would look at the success or failure of your wine bar as an indicator of whether your app draws traffic; since a high % of new businesses fail, there is a high risk that a new wine bar might fail, and drag your app down with it.

What type of liquor license would this require?

Im tipping if the OP is same way you worded it in your kickstarter ad, potential investors might be turned off by your lack of effort to find out the particulars of your most important hurdle

A discount for Patrick.net users?

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

COMBAT WINEBAR ?

I love it. If you spill red wine on your shirt, tell people it's only blood.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Great idea.

But how about a COMBAT WINEBAR ?

If you're wrong, someone gets to challenge you to a steel cage match.

Are Realtors allowed in?

mell says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Great idea.

But how about a COMBAT WINEBAR ?

If you're wrong, someone gets to challenge you to a steel cage match.

Are Realtors allowed in?

They're what's for dinner. Their wine will be spiked, so they will misidentify it and pass out helplessly.

Ceffer says

I'd rather be a hooker taster in Montreal. Rin has poisoned my mind.

I like your idea Ceffer, but only if Rin manages the business. He comes with a lot of talent and experience.
Imagine banging hookers and then guessing their names.

High fixed cost. Heavy capex and inventory commitment makes this a no go. Just how are u going to secure good inventory at favorable price in high ass rent san Francisco. What's your edge. Competitive advantage, industry expereience, insider knowledge?

There is such a bar, it is located in treasure island in a warehouse type facility.

You can count in the fingers of your hand the actual amount of people that actually care about variety or that type of knowledge. If they do, the wineries come to them.

mell says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Great idea.

But how about a COMBAT WINEBAR ?

If you're wrong, someone gets to challenge you to a steel cage match.

Are Realtors allowed in?

Only during "Happy Hours"

Take the $1M and buy a 700sf shack. According to the NAR it will be worth $2M by Christmas.

Patrick, you should consider reaching out to up and coming wineries and invite them to hold wine tasting contests, etc. at your bar.

It might net you some free inventory.

The last time I was down at Fort Ord (Monterey), the PX was selling bottles of Fort Ord wine.

How about a puking wine bar, where the patrons get drunk and puke on each other.

Puke combat.

The guy who can identify the wine from the puke stains, wins. The one with most spungy, grapey, oakey puke has an honorable mention.

Blue ribbons for the longest stream of puke, puke targeting, chunkiness, stringiness, etc.

thunderlips11 says

Patrick, you should consider reaching out to up and coming wineries and invite them to hold wine tasting contests, etc. at your bar.

It might net you some free inventory.

Nice idea.

JH says

Take the $1M and buy a 700sf shack. According to the NAR it will be worth $2M by Christmas.

Better Idea.

Ceffer says

I'd rather be a hooker taster in Montreal. Rin has poisoned my mind.

Best idea.

How about a name? We will need a name.
We could even have our own brand of wines...."Patnet Cabernet" sounds delicious.

I like it.

If it works, open one in LA too. I'd be happy to get involved.

Last month BevMo had an 80% off sale. Would have been a good time to stock up.

Of course you can also buy a large volume of Bronco wines and relabel them with fancy (and expensive) labels. I'd bet 95% of your clientelle wouldn't know the difference.

Strategist says

How about a name? We will need a name.

We could even have our own brand of wines...."Patnet Cabernet" sounds delicious.

Would he pull a colbert and call it pat-nay caber-nay? Have I been mispronouncimg patnet all this time?

Strategist says

How about a name? We will need a name.

We could even have our own brand of wines...."Patnet Cabernet" sounds delicious.

Patnet Zombie Apocalypse Wine Tasting. Smells like Victory!

Could you order your wine with a side of FACE?!

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

FACE!

It's what's for dinner.

Would that be white, or RED!

thunderlips11 says

Patrick, you should consider reaching out to up and coming wineries and invite them to hold wine tasting contests, etc. at your bar.

It might net you some free inventory.

Definitely! Was already part of my secret plan. When people are guessing what they're drinking, the moment of revelation is a high-value advertising opp for wineries. As long as it's good stuff, this is what I want to do.

Strategist says

How about a name? We will need a name.

I'm thinking "Divine Wine Bar". Lots of reasons for that. To "divine" is to guess, wine is divine, and it has vine in it, and it's kind of fruity, which might sell well in SF.

curious2 says

starting a wine bar might actually undercut the app idea.

Perhaps. I've considered that the app could be far more valuable than the bar, but life is short, and I want to own a wine bar. And be the bartender now and then.

The same idea but with beer instead of wine. Right now the number of excellent small breweries in the US is huge. The beer could be paired with cheese (which tastes better with beer than wine.) Also, you could serve grilled cheese sandwiches which don't require a building with restaurant ventilation.

As for the app and the competition, I think it would be still be fun and a lot more accessible for most folks.

Of course, you probably love wine and not beer, so nevermind.

Edit: "Fantasy Draft Club"

I like beer, but I love wine.

I hope someone else does the beer thing. Maybe we can cooperate on the app.

Planning to have very little (but very good) food, just cheeses, olives, bread, some cured meats. No real cooking, so not much of a kitchen.

Here is the million dollar question that has caused countless battles and destruction on Patnet.......Do we buy, or do we rent a place?

almost certainly rent. at least at first.

just looking for a tiny place which can be fixed up to look elegant enough.

humorous cat picture

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

FACE!

It's what's for dinner.

smoked and cured face with rosemary and a side of Chianti

Ceffer says

if Patrick got hookers at this place it would be a big hit Im sure. Aging Californian office workers pretending to be rich- not so much. If he got tranny hookers it would be huge with the middle-calss white set, just dont tell anyone they have penises.

The Original Bankster says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

FACE!

It's what's for dinner.

smoked and cured face with rosemary and a side of Chianti

Don't forget the fava beans.

The Original Bankster says

If he got tranny hookers it would be huge with the middle-calss white set, just dont tell anyone they have penises.

Remember, Patrick s talking about setting up shop in SF.

also: I want to open a place like this http://www.youtube.com/embed/gxEPV4kolz0

New Renter says

Remember, Patrick s talking about setting up shop in SF.

i swear if he combined wine tasting with shemale tasting it would be huge. all you need to do is convince the yuppies that it's 'elite' and 'distinctive'. Modern Endocrinology is doing amazing things these days.

It would be very high class if the prosciutto was FACE and the cheese was fermented Cambodian breast milk.

We could make it a topless bar. Keep your hands to yourself, Rin.
Apocalypse can be in charge of security and park his tank out in the front.
We would need a banker.....Apocalypse, can you wait until we get a loan before you rip off his arms?
Ceffer, can you make sure Apocalypse does not get carried away.
Here's a sign we can use at the cash register " In God we trust, all others pay cash"
What about a logo?

Strategist says

We could make it a topless bar. Keep your hands to yourself, Rin.

its a formula that was worked for millenia. Cold Refreshing drinks and topless girls. Can't beat that monetization model.