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thunderlips11 says

Why California is Awesome

Uh, what??? Oh, hahahahahahahaha.

No, wait, seriously ... hahahahahahahahaha.

Uh, yeah, it's awful, er, I mean awesome - hahahahahahahaha.

wow a FUEL CELL!!!!!

perhaps they might want to tackle the unpayable debt and unfixable drought?

thunderlips11 says

The fuel cell turns waste methane gas from the Point Loma Wastewater Treatment Plant into electricity without combustion

Why wouldn't they just use hydrogen? It's all around us!

I saw a hydrogen molecule just now - over by the Kleenex box on the bookshelf.

It will be awesomer with a bullet train. And of course broker and of course thirstier and of course with more unemployment and of course more inequality and of course more subsidies.

Wait a minutes does awesome mean more stupid and more broke? Oh ok you're right Ca is totally awesome.

indigenous says

It will be awesomer with a bullet train. And of course broker and of course thirstier and of course with more unemployment and of course more inequality and of course more subsidies.

Wait a minutes does awesome mean more stupid and more broke? Oh ok you're right Ca is totally awesome.

1) raise taxes

2) tell the 'minorities' theyre going to fix 'inequality'

3) ignore the middle class white people complaining

4) give them shemales, reality tv shows, hamburgers, and other dumb shit

5) profit

Why is California thirsty? Because it's semi-arid terrain is not suitable for growing most of the crops it grows. Because of the silly insistence on landscaping grass in the Southern Half of the State.

Nothing that bringing Anglo_Saxon Common Law Riprarian water rights can't fix, as opposed to Inquisition Southern European Latifundia dysfunctional Water-as-Property baloney.

Of course if you took these steps to fix the water problems, all the Republican subsidized farmers would cry foul.

But this is an aside.

I think the reason right-wingers hate California so is the big investment in R&D, Education, and Future Technology that makes it so vibrant and without peer.

They'd rather a Mississippi Style California with people picking lettuce for $2/hr and being charged 25 cents to drink each glass of privatized water.

In terms of scenery, variety, nothing can beat CA. But real estate is supremely overpriced and no not because it is CA. When the dotcom boom was happening , real estate was far more reasonable.
Also the far left hordes start to get to you. Like now-there is a once in a100year drought and they don't want to divert water from the Sacramento river because of some stupid fish. Or the growing protest against logging dead trees burnt out due to the fires. Or I remember the huge protest against building an extra runway in the bay. I think they did a 100 million dollar study-did they ever build that runway in SFO? I guess it is ok for planes to fly around the airport and spew their waste , while waiting for a runway?

I liked southern california a bit better. But I am a nature person and just the amazing terrain within a few hours of any direction is just amazing. You have everything from temperate rainforests, ocean, mountains,d eserts, high desert, waterfalls, old volcanoes, caves etc. etc. I love the nature , but too expensive if you don't have a house and also too many far lefties.

Fixing the stupid property tax restrictions (and cutting the sales tax in half) would go a long way...

Privatized water would solve many problems in California.

California is mostly hated for its success. The weather in the Bay Area is unmatched by any place in the world.

lostand confused says

In terms of scenery, variety, nothing can beat CA. But real estate is supremely overpriced and no not because it is CA.

There are places with better scenery though. Real estate is still not very expensive (in terms of price per square foot) compared to many places in the world.

Peter P says

lostand confused says

In terms of scenery, variety, nothing can beat CA. But real estate is supremely overpriced and no not because it is CA.

There are places with better scenery though. Real estate is still not very expensive (in terms of price per square foot) compared to many places in the world.

Defnitely there is better scenery elsewhere-but not this much variety within a few hours drive.

lostand confused says

Defnitely there is better scenery elsewhere-but not this much variety within a few hours drive.

I am not sure about that. All I see are rolling hills, brown or green.

In Sedona, forests are right next to red rocks and desserts.

Peter P says

lostand confused says

Defnitely there is better scenery elsewhere-but not this much variety within a few hours drive.

I am not sure about that. All I see are rolling hills, brown or green.

In Sedona, forests are right next to red rocks and desserts.

Hmm, you must be only in the east bay and never venture out??
When I lived in the bay area, a few hours east and you are up in the sierras and then the high desert east, south east you get the arid farmlands, west is the ocean and you have Big sur, the sonoma coast, pt reyes. I love Bodega bay, stayed there and loved camping at the coast north of there. Saltpoint state park was my favorite.

The same in the south, the hills of Malibu , lovely ocean views, the desert in the east and snow capped mountains. A few hours north, hit San Luis Obispo , Morro bay , elephant seals and thick forests by the coast. I loved the variety.

thunderlips11 says

big investment in R&D, Education, and Future Technology that makes it so vibrant and without peer.

what has the so-called 'R&D' actually produced aside from profits for billionaires?

The Original Bankster says

Hmm, you must be only in the east bay and never venture out??

Profit is the greatest good.

thunderlips11 says

Why is California thirsty? Because it's semi-arid terrain is not suitable for growing most of the crops it grows.

Sounds like a liberal's solution, just get rid of one of the most productive agriculture areas in the country.

indigenous says

Sounds like a liberal's solution, just get rid of one of the most productive agriculture areas in the country.

Get rid of the massive government-paid infrastructure for irrigation, and it's not terribly productive at all for many crops.

Eastern State corn requires no massive irrigation. We're certainly not low on corn, given that we use more than a third of it for ethanol bullshit.

thunderlips11 says

Get rid of the massive government-paid infrastructure for irrigation, and it's not terribly productive at all for many crops.

That must be your inner conservative talking? Yup the farm bureau needs some pruning.

Check out http://weekendsherpa.com/ and then tell me CA sucks. Not for hikers, it doesn't. I hiked yesterday in cool weather, I'm hiking in 10 minutes and I'll be doing 11 miles from redwoods to the ocean next week. I can hike every day if I want, but I'm not an animal ;p.

thunderlips11 says

Get rid of the massive government-paid infrastructure for irrigation, and it's not terribly productive at all for many crops.

BTW, this isn't a plea to end all irrigation in California. I'm just pointing out that massive taxpayer paid infrastructure is necessary for the high output of CA ag.

thunderlips11 says

massive taxpayer paid infrastructure is necessary

Necessary or a political reality?

Greenwater = Rainfall
Groundwater = Aquifer
Surfacewater = Irrigation

thunderlips11 says

But this is an aside.

I think the reason right-wingers hate California so is the big investment in R&D, Education, and Future Technology that makes it so vibrant and without peer.

They'd rather a Mississippi Style California with people picking lettuce for $2/hr and being charged 25 cents to drink each glass of privatized water.

Sir,

Most of the great R&D industrialists, and even those inventing in CA were Republican. Of course it goes without saying that during the Republican leaning days of California, the amount of R&D and manufacturing was concieved in the US and made in the US. HP and countless others invented much of the base of the technology in a place now called "Silicon Valley".

Hewlett
Packard
Henry Ford
Howard Hughes
William Schottkly
McDonnel
Douglas
Sikorsky
Boeing

Entitlemented says

McDonnel
Douglas
Sikorsky
Boeing

Hmmm.... these names bring to mind a certain activity that the government has a monopoly on.

Kooky Ford I leave for another time; the rest I know little about.

lostand confused says

In terms of scenery, variety, nothing can beat CA

Actually, except for the desert, Maryland probably has all of the scenery that CA has AND when you go to the beach you can actually go into the water here because it's not too fucking cold like it is in CA.

Peter P says

The weather in the Bay Area is unmatched by any place in the world.

Too fucking cold there in the summer.

zzyzzx says

Maryland probably has all of the scenery that CA has

having lived in Hunt Valley for a summer, No.

But point taken about the California Current. Haven't been in the water here for over 20 years, and I only did that dive because i had to.

But I'll deduct half a point since getting to the ocean from Baltimore is a real PITA.

zzyzzx says

lostand confused says

In terms of scenery, variety, nothing can beat CA

Actually, except for the desert, Maryland probably has all of the scenery that CA has AND when you go to the beach you can actually go into the water here because it's not too fucking cold like it is in CA.

Nah been in Maryland. Nice place, but nowhere near to CA in terms of variety. I wonder if you have been to CA?? Los Angeles on south, you can get into the water for about 5-6 months a year. It ain't FL, but you can and I would assume northeast would be the same-I doubt above Virginia, you can get in in the fall and winter??? Just a few photos, plenty more terrain , variety and landscape. One can love the place/terrain and not like the politics, locals etc.

bristle cone pine trees-many are almost twice as old as jesus -some over 5,000 years old.

lostand confused says

In terms of scenery, variety, nothing can beat CA

Disagree. CA is a big hype. I find the SFBA quite run down and depressing actually.

gsr says

lostand confused says

In terms of scenery, variety, nothing can beat CA

Disagree. CA is a big hype. I find the SFBA quite run down and depressing actually.

It depends-if you hung out in the urban areas mostly-possibly. I spent my time hiking, river rafting, horseback riding, camping , paragliding all over CA. Its probably why I didn't have much savings back then and didn't buy a house! I still do and so do see the terrain outside. I do love north/south AZ, UT, CO, SD and Idaho. But the Midwest, while I love it, miss the variety.

lostand confused says

Nah been in Maryland. Nice place, but nowhere near to CA in terms of variety

I don't intend to make it a pissing match. It seems you have been hardly outside CA. The scenic beauty is actually the best in the North West. All you need to do is a Google search. I have been to all of those places in CA, but they did not compare with those in North West IMO.

lostand confused says

I spent my time hiking, river rafting, horseback riding, camping , paragliding all over CA.

Yup, you can do all that as well, including skiing within 30 minutes of driving distance :).

Bellingham Bill says

But I'll deduct half a point since getting to the ocean from Baltimore is a real PITA.

I can ride my bike to Sandy Point (30 miles each way) or North Point state park (~20 miles each way) and go into the even warmer Chesapeake Bay waters, or just hop a bus to Atlantic City like I did on Thursday.. Ocean City MD isn't the closest ocean beach either. People in DC and Baltimore are somewhat brainwashed into going to Ocean City, MD, but I don't see the appeal.

gsr says

lostand confused says

Nah been in Maryland. Nice place, but nowhere near to CA in terms of variety

I don't intend to make it a pissing match. It seems you have been hardly outside CA. The scenic beauty is actually the best in the North West. All you need to do is a Google search. I have been to all of those places in CA, but they did not compare with those in North West IMO.

Which part of the northwest. I have been to OR multiple times and WA. Didn't like Seattle, but loved the terrain a lot once you hit east in WA towards Idaho.

I have been to 36 states and many countries, no pissing match-but my major passion -travelling and enjoying everything. each person likes his own, but I did not see anything up there as spectacular as Yosemite. Now Utah has some spectacular scenery-very underrated when compared to the grand canyon. But never figured why CA elicits so much hatred. If you are talking about the extreme left loonies-I actually agree-but why that has to transfer to nature beats me. The only thing I found close to the CA coastline was Cape town, south Africa-beautiful place and hmm reminds me of a beautiful honey I met there :).

lostand confused says

Didn't like Seattle, but loved the terrain a lot once you hit east in WA towards Idaho.

The city of Seattle is just a cleaner version of San Francisco. Here is a small list of places "http://northwestfront.org/media/northwest-scenery/".

It does not include a large number of state parks close to Seattle Metro area, where you can go any time within an hour of driving

In addition, you can definitely cross over the border and check out the "beautiful" BC.

Peter P says

The weather in the Bay Area is unmatched by any place in the world.

especially if you like cold, windy beaches

gsr says

lostand confused says

Didn't like Seattle, but loved the terrain a lot once you hit east in WA towards Idaho.

The city of Seattle is just a cleaner version of San Francisco. Here is a small list of places "http://northwestfront.org/media/northwest-scenery/".

It does not include a large number of state parks close to Seattle Metro area, where you can go any time within an hour of driving

In addition, you can definitely cross over the border and check out the "beautiful" BC.

Easier to get to decent skiing than the horrible slog up 80 to Tahoe from the Bay Area.

People from Texas will tell you Texas is the best state for scenery/variety/outdoors activity. You know, mountains and desert in the west, beaches in the southeast, forests in the east. (let's just agree to not talk about the pan handle)

People from the Appalachians, Ozarks, Rockies and Adirondacks will tell you they have the most beautiful wilderness They lack a coastline, though.

California is pretty awesome in this regard, but so are the rest. I found the PNW to be gorgeous - and if you like the weather who's to say it's not better than California? Maine is awfully beautiful, too...And Nova Scotia. And Norway...and....