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Slavery isn't very efficient.

Peter P says

FortWayne says

Peter P says

In a perfect world all leaves (sick, vacation, maternity, paternity) would be unpaid.

Prospective parents need to fully comprehend the costs before they skip the condom.

What is your definition of "perfect"?

Maximum economic efficiency.

edvard2 says

super right wing' = irrational, xenophobic, and out of touch with modern society.

Was it irrational to be displeased by a law that was passed with out reading it?
Was it irrational to be concerned that wide open boarders would lead to Mexican gangs and cartels gaining a greater foothold on America and would flood depressed workers to further strain our Employment numbers?

We're not out of touch with Modern society, we're just not Allowing the confused and morally bankrupt left define "Modern Society"!

You say trashy posts like it's a bad thing!

This is Damning Evidence.
All Damning Evidence....
CaptainShuddup says

Was it irrational to be displeased by a law that was passed with out reading it?

Was it irrational to be concerned that wide open boarders would lead to Mexican gangs and cartels gaining a greater foothold on America and would flood depressed workers to further strain our Employment numbers?

CaptainShuddup says

Was it irrational to be concerned that wide open boarders would lead to Mexican gangs and cartels gaining a greater foothold on America and would flood depressed workers to further strain our Employment numbers?

Bleeding heart liberals are a confused bunch. They think it's ok to bring millions of poor to lower wages across the border, yet they complain about outsourcing. But say something about closing borders, and they call you racist.

It's as if they only use half the brain and only figured half the equation of wage slavery. It doesn't dawn on them that desperate poor they want to bring will always accept a shittier station in life just to have a job, which will reduce wages and benefits for all Americans.

Just wait till edward or his liberal friends have to compete with a million of Juan's and Jose's from across the border for a job, he'll change his tune on illegal immigration pretty darn fast.

FortWayne says

Bleeding heart liberals are a confused bunch. They think it's ok to bring millions of poor to lower wages across the border, yet they complain about outsourcing. But say something about closing borders, and they call you racist.

And the straw man award of the year award goes to...

If I was going to write a comeback he could understand, it would be about gullible morons and not about right wingers.

"Darrrrr, guhuh... I know what let's do. Let's blame it on the liberals."

The propaganda works so well on a certain gullible and ignorant segment of the population.

FortWayne says

he'll change his tune on illegal immigration pretty darn fast.

Obama has been tougher on border security than any other President. He basically doubled it.

As for allowing illegals to stay ? Even most right wingers understand you aren't going to deport all those people.

How come Fortwayne got through saying what he had to say with out sounding like a sbh and Rush love affair?

FortWayne says

It doesn't dawn on them that desperate poor they want to bring will always accept a shittier station in life just to have a job, which will reduce wages and benefits for all Americans.

But those immigrants are also consumers, and the stuff they consume is being sold by Americans in America. Where does money we send abroad go?

We have a problem in supply v. demand. and it's not on the supply side. Importing consumers is not the same as exporting jobs.

sbh says

He'd be OK with importing them if they were actually "natural conservatives"

Many of them are Catholic. That is conservative in a way, for example with respect to "family values." I think you mean natural right wingers, which is impossible for a minority immigrant group.

sbh says

They are conservative in other ways as well.

Some of that is hype, drummed up by the right. The majority of Catholics support birth control, despite the hierarchy. Latinos are no exception, and support gay marriage as well.

They make the (false) assumption that, Catholicism is conservative, Mexico is a "Catholic" country, therefore Mexican immigrants are naturally conservative. I needn't remind you that a combination of Catholicism and Latin America is also the foundation for liberation theology, which has been deemed "Marxist" by many conservatives.

It's filled with untruths and logical fallacies.

So, ultimately, it is simply a thinly veiled attempt to define Latinos for themselves, to give them a framework to eventually vote Republican. It's a racist one at that, because if demographics don't reveal what conservatives WANT them to reveal, then it's back to the brown heap they go. They are no longer useful to the right.

CL says

They make the (false) assumption that, Catholicism is conservative, Mexico is a "Catholic" country, therefore Mexican immigrants are naturally conservative.

When I say conservative (above) I don't mean right wing.

I meant conservative more like Eisenhower conservative. Pro family values, strong work ethic and so on. I wasn't suggesting they will ever vote republican. Tha't for scared white folks and the whole "fuck you I've got mine" crowd.

sbh says

They are conservative in other ways as well. But the wetback beaners just don't seem to vote right, do they, and in the end that's what matters to the real americans who are naturally terrified of dark people.

In america, I was taught that all dark people are shiftless and criminals and rape white women.

Peter P says

People should be taking a lot more vacation than the 2-4 weeks per year they are "earning."

If you want that then don't take a job that doesn't offer it. When you accept a job you accept the job. It's not like - "Okay, you're hired, BUT, we're not going to tell you how much we're going to pay, you'll find out on pay day. You don't know how much vacation you get, but ask for some time off for a vacation and we'll tell you if you've got enough time." Look, you don't like the job for WHATEVER reason, then don't accept it. I've quit jobs for better pay elsewhere or better benefits elsewhere or because I thought I wasn't being treated well.

sbh says

They are conservative in other ways as well. But the wetback beaners just don't seem to vote right, do they, and in the end that's what matters to the real americans who are naturally terrified of dark people.

The "wetback beaners" would vote for whomever if they felt they had a good shot at a green card.
OTOH, latinos born in the USA have no interest in legalizing illegal mexicans. It's just human nature.

StupidBiggotHonkey says

They are conservative in other ways as well. But the wetback beaners just don't seem to vote right, do they, and in the end that's what matters to the real americans who are naturally terrified of dark people.

It's blatant racism...but what else would you expect from the rabid left?

CaptainShuddup says

StupidBiggotHonkey says

They are conservative in other ways as well. But the wetback beaners just don't seem to vote right, do they, and in the end that's what matters to the real americans who are naturally terrified of dark people.

mmmarvel says

Peter P says

People should be taking a lot more vacation than the 2-4 weeks per year they are "earning."

If you want that then don't take a job that doesn't offer it. When you accept a job you accept the job. It's not like - "Okay, you're hired, BUT, we're not going to tell you how much we're going to pay, you'll find out on pay day. You don't know how much vacation you get, but ask for some time off for a vacation and we'll tell you if you've got enough time." Look, you don't like the job for WHATEVER reason, then don't accept it. I've quit jobs for better pay elsewhere or better benefits elsewhere or because I thought I wasn't being treated well.

True, but putting a price on everything promotes communication. It will be good very everyone.

The very idea of a "job" is corrupting on the human spirit. It really should be pure commerce.

CL says

. The majority of Catholics support birth control, despite the hierarchy. Latinos are no exception, and support gay marriage as well.

HUGE differences between Latinos. It's like saying Hungarian Rednecks and Paris Night Club Owners share similar views about Homosexuality.

Cubans (inc. Cuban-Americans) are generally down with Abortion. "Private Abortion Providers" feature in after page of these 1/8th ads in the local ad rags, about as many as the Divorce Lawyers.

Mexico City only legalized abortion for the 1st Trimester a few years ago, it remains totally illegal throughout most of Mexico. Gay Rights is also hotly debated and marriage illegal in most of Mexico (where Marriage is entirely Civil after a violent struggle against Superstition).

marcus says

CL says

They make the (false) assumption that, Catholicism is conservative, Mexico is a "Catholic" country, therefore Mexican immigrants are naturally conservative.

When I say conservative (above) I don't mean right wing.

I meant conservative more like Eisenhower conservative. Pro family values, strong work ethic and so on. I wasn't suggesting they will ever vote republican. Tha't for scared white folks and the whole "fuck you I've got mine" crowd.

But you're not racist, right? RIGHT?

I'll tell ya something, and even though you have me on ignore I suspect you'll wind up reading it.

1.) you are incapable of judging people on their character and actions. More than any other poster on pat.net you love to place people into boxes, label it, and toss you're own bias and prejudices in there. You define racist.

2.) you had better hope you don't lose it like Ribas did and let out too much personal information. Secretly holding looney beliefs seems to have a way of biting teachers in the ass.

somehow I suspect he's looking forward to this....

dodgerfanjohn says

Secretly holding looney beliefs seems to have a way of biting teachers in the ass.

And why is that some of the worst category of these come from Patrick himself? Hasn't he made enough money off this site by now. Did he ever get his tech job back? Can he finally afford a house in Palo Alto?

Does he drunk post in the wee hours while hitting the bottle? Or did someone in China buy him out and is using algorithms to post the subjects which will troll the most?

dodgerfanjohn says

But you're not racist, right? RIGHT?

I guess it all depends on how you define RACIST. If you are a business owner and would hire or fire a black person based on his performance, then you aren't a racist. If you saw an injured black person on the street and went to his aid, you are not a racist.
All the other stuff is all BS.

I bet if the Left did more to celebrate the multiculturalism that this country has to offer. There would be far less problems.

I mean ALL cultures and races, not just Cherry picking Muslims, Gays and financially depressed Blacks, just to give the Right a mental wedgie.

CaptainShuddup says

I bet if the Left did more to celebrate the multiculturalism that this country has to offer. There would be far less problems.

I mean ALL cultures and races, not just Cherry picking Muslims, Gays and financially depressed Blacks, just to give the Right a mental wedgie.

Pols have to test which way the wind blows before they support anything. That way they get more bang for the buck. Which is why they won't waste their time supporting Czechoslovakian illegals.

jazz music says

Businesses hire whoever WITH IMPUNITY, if anything at all happens, the fucking JUSTICE system gets to thrive from playing cat and mouse with the lives of the desperate and vulnerable. --In the name of righteousness too!

If left wasn't so hell bent on bringing those "desperate and vulnerable" here enmasses, they wouldn't have an option to hire so many of them.

It's simple supply and demand. Liberals bring in millions of cheap/free labor, it drops wages and benefits. And it raises taxes on middle class, since the costs are pushed off onto the taxpayers to support that underpaid welfare system.

You people just are too blinded by liberal ideology to see the destructiveness of your ways.

It's a little deeper and more indirect....
The real truth is that the left wants open borders so drug importation is easier and less costly to the lefty end user.
The kids swarming the border are just a smokescreen to redivert attention away from the dopists.

FortWayne says

If left wasn't so hell bent on bringing those "desperate and vulnerable" here enmasses, they wouldn't have an option to hire so many of them.

It's simple supply and demand. Liberals bring in millions of cheap/free labor, it drops wages and benefits.

thunderlips11 says

CL says

. The majority of Catholics support birth control, despite the hierarchy. Latinos are no exception, and support gay marriage as well.

HUGE differences between Latinos. It's like saying Hungarian Rednecks and Paris Night Club Owners share similar views about Homosexuality.

Cubans (inc. Cuban-Americans) are generally down with Abortion. "Private Abortion Providers" feature in after page of these 1/8th ads in the local ad rags, about as many as the Divorce Lawyers.

Mexico City only legalized abortion for the 1st Trimester a few years ago, it remains totally illegal throughout most of Mexico. Gay Rights is also hotly debated and marriage illegal in most of Mexico (where Marriage is entirely Civil after a violent struggle against Superstition).

Well, don't confuse policy with the people. If that were the case, most Americans feel differently than our leadership on nearly every important issue facing us, whether it be social or NSA privacy issues. Are we all homophobic, immigrant-bashing redneck cowboys?

The trend in the Latino population is toward liberalism.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/latinos-endorse-legal-abortion/

Exit polls: "Big majorities of Latinos across the country and other voters agreed that abortion should be legal, including nearly equal shares of men and women, according to exit polling."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/majority-of-latinos-support-state-recognition-of-gay-marriage/

"Hispanic voters were more likely than other voters to say they would approve if their state recognized same-sex marriage, according to preliminary exit poll results.

Nearly six-in-ten Latino voters (59%) said their state should legally recognize same-sex marriage while 32% said their state should not. But among all voters, about half (48%) favored legalization of gay marriage while nearly the same share said they would oppose it (47%).

Non-Hispanic whites were the most opposed to states legally sanctioning same-sex marriage (47% favored but 50% were opposed). Among blacks, half (52%) would support while 40% opposed state support for gay unions."

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/06/24/after-decades-of-gop-support-cubans-shifting-toward-the-democratic-party/

Even Cuban support for the GOP has been utterly destroyed, which I didn't anticipate would happen in my lifetime.

And Puerto Ricans migrating to Florida is another reason that state has effectively turned blue.

http://nbclatino.com/2012/11/07/analysis-puerto-ricans-turned-florida-blue/

http://prospect.org/article/central-floridas-corridor-power

The GOP had better wake up or the nativists will destroy the last semblance of a viable political party. There is very little room for minorities in the GOP, and it gets smaller every day. Will immigration efforts help or hurt them?

komputodo says

OTOH, latinos born in the USA have no interest in legalizing illegal mexicans.

I disagree here too. Some of these family members, born here, have relatives in Latin America. And they aren't stupid enough to not see the racism directed at them by the party, with their cantaloupe calves and anti-brown measures.

Explain to a Mexican why Canada doesn't need a wall, despite being the longest unprotected border in the world. Explain to a Mexican why we don't stop Minnesotans on the street and ask them to prove they aren't Canadians.

They are painfully aware of the scapegoating that is occurring. It might already be too late for the party of Lincoln.

CL says

The trend in the Latino population is toward liberalism.

Yes, this is true.

CL says

Even Cuban support for the GOP has been utterly destroyed, which I didn't anticipate would happen in my lifetime.

Also true. There is now a strong voice among Cubans to remove all the travel restrictions to Cuba.CL says

The GOP had better wake up or the nativists will destroy the last semblance of a viable political party. There is very little room for minorities in the GOP, and it gets smaller every day. Will immigration efforts help or hurt them?

Agree, there is nothing left for the GOP in 20 years, unless they radically change.

However, Liberals need to be aware that immigration is at 1920, all time high levels, in a weak job market with high rents, and that there are plenty of unemployed blacks and rural whites that need to be employed also. Not to mention the oversized military and the school-to-prison complex which, if ended, would also result in a greatly expanded labor supply.

We would also need to end the corn dumping and drug wars that have made life unbearable in Central America.

I'm opposed to our current high levels of immigration because it creates a large reserve army of labor that depresses wages. Wages build up, not trickle down, so without upward wage pressure for the unskilled, it's likely that workers will continue to be underpaid and overworked.

FortWayne says

Liberals bring in millions of cheap/free labor, it drops wages and benefits.

This is the kind of silly nonsense that labels you a right wing retard.

How is it that liberals bring immigrants in ?

OBama has beefed up border security more than any other President. It's true that he's not a liberal per se, but then you don't know that.

CaptainShuddup says

I bet if the Left did more to celebrate the multiculturalism that this country has to offer. There would be far less problems.

Funny. As if they don't.

You don't even know it when you're showing your racism.

In your fantasy of how you want readers to think of you, how does the reasoning go ? A black caucus exists in congress, therefore the "left" (today that means nothing more than not extreme right), doesn't celebrate the multicultural make up of the country ?

Funny, when I hear those arguments in Arizona against latino studies, I thought that was from the right ?

I thought that when I received notice from my school district that they want me to take a couple more hours of "multicutural coursework" before I can go any further up the pay scale, that that sounded like something most would attribute to "liberals."

This is one of your more pathetic attempts to gain the higher moral ground for your point of view or that of the right wing. Of coure making shit up and lying about easy to verify facts is the hallmark of today's right winger.

So, keep up the good work !

marcus says

OBama has beefed up border security more than any other President. It's true that he's not a liberal per se, but then you don't know that.

Really? How did he beef it up? He was against building the fence, he isn't doing anything about children and immigrants swarming. Future cheap labor of America.

FortWayne says

Really? How did he beef it up?

Look it up.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/jul/01/debbie-wasserman-schultz/more-border-security-and-patrols-under-obama-previ/

This is obviously biased (whitehouse link), but it gives you an idea of the fact that it's actually a priority or the current admin.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/immigration/border-security

I didn't post it because it was Wasserman. I posted it because it was a politifact analysis of what she said.

Don't read it. What ever you do, don't bother checking to see whether the lies you believe are true.

You must be so proud of having a world view that is so fact free and lie filled.

thunderlips11 says

I'm opposed to our current high levels of immigration because it creates a large reserve army of labor that depresses wages. Wages build up, not trickle down, so without upward wage pressure for the unskilled, it's likely that workers will continue to be underpaid and overworked.

I agree it's a concern, but what do you think about, for example, the idea that there is a tremendous new glut of labor and money from China and India that have come online like never before. (I picked up the "Age of Oversupply" recently. Seems to be a decent book).

Is it really immigrants that we need to be concerned with? Witness Hazelton: immigrants left town and with them departed a big chunk of their elderly economy.

Documented and undocumented immigrants to America consume in America. They are often youthful, and pay into Social Security and Medicare, etc. Undocumenteds sell food at food trucks to undocumenteds who work at the construction site. Remove them and you may remove the only economic activity in town!

And the best thing is, when they are no longer needed, they simply self-deport! :)

jazz music says

They bail out their businesses and use our hard earned tax money against us in so many ways it would make this post too long to read. The money is GONE and into vaults. The POOR DIDN'T TAKE IT. WAKE UP!!! GOP makes no apologies for benefitting the wealthy. 35+ years and they are still preaching supply-side economics. (tinkle down)

I disagree, because I think you are not being fair to both sides.

I don't think the tax system is fair, and I don't know a single person who thinks that it is. Poor will always want more handouts, and everyone else will always want to pay less in taxes. Romney paying a lower rate than I while complaining about his high taxes is just as bullshit as a renter not paying property taxes while complaining about prop 13. It is what it is.

And it's no secret that politicians are beholden to special interests. And the only special interest that has no voice is the middle class. But I don't think there is much difference between Republicans and Democrats. At the end they all want to take something from us, and the only day they stop taking from us is when we are all dead and no longer care.

jazz music says

Here's the thing.

You folks condemning liberals all the time are only working against yourselves:

I agree. In fact for some reason I am forgetting what I fervently thought about right after the 2012 elections: Either one of two things can be done on forums with right wing posts:

A: try and argue with em', which of course does no good but can provide some entertainement value or...

B: just let them keep on posting that crap.

B is better because its that kind of attitude, rhetoric, and ideaology that cost them the election both in 08' and 12'. That sort of stuff is what turns people's stomachs except for a shrinking minority of the population whom at one point in more recent history were the dominant majority. Blame it on the GOP for grooming their base to act and believe as they do. But basically there's no way I could exert as much energy as some of these guys do with their constant anti-liberal posts. But in reality they're working for us anyway.

jazz music says

NOW HEAR THIS!!! THE RICH GOT THE MONEY!!!!! Okay? It's really that simple!!!!

I hear I hear. The evil rich got OUR money. Lets bring out the guillotine.

jazz music says

When working people get attainment they spend all the money and make the economy healthy. Crime goes down. Art and culture flourishes. This is a virtuous cycle. They have children. Jobs are created from an expanding sales base and optimistic future prospects. Life becomes more about achievement and less about avoiding expense, oppressive sanction, loss of freedom, and early death.

When rich people get the money it disappears forever into a securitization economy which perpetuates the taking in a tailspin to feudalism.--evil has triumphed. The status quo depends upon neutralizing the 99% against themselves and each other.

OMG. I don't think you ever had an economics or a finance class in your life. You have no idea what you are saying. You probably sit around all day listening to Crap Radio and fuming.

jazz music says

except you seem to think change is too risky, because the niggers and beaners might get less prison and more fruits of their labors.

Don't attribute this to me, I never said anything like that. You and some others here have wild imagination.

Bring back the Soviet Union.

When Communism was a real threat, Capitalist Pigs made sure some of the slop went to the other animals.