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Would a Large Majority Support These Policies?
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2012 Feb 29, 12:45am 2,233 views 10 comments
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freak80
2012 Feb 29, 4:33am
No one wants to discuss solutions?
Maybe I should have made the title something like "Everyone should vote for Santorum because God says so!" or "Obama is the best President EVER OMG!"
I guess fighting is more fun and stimulating than cooperation. Video games based on cooperation would probably never sell.
TPB
2012 Feb 29, 6:54am
It's not "class warfare" to say that ultra-high net worth individuals should pay at least the same % as the middle class.
Too late, the cat's already out of the bag. Rather than the adults of the Democrat party taking the issue head on. They financed Kids to disorderly run about and shat in the Nations parks, while bitching about a nameless, blameless boogeyman. Of course the Liberals in Washington wanted no part of the ruckus, because they also not only enjoy the tax breaks, but the insider trading all of this dishonesty affords them.
So they so cowardly hid behind Buffet's hubris, to poke sticks at the GOP, like they are the 1%. So it's a sloppy bag of Bat Shit, but the Liberals set this bag on fire, just let it burn, nothing you can do about it. With THIS administration, most of the Nation, rich and poor alike, would rather they stay out of it. If they can't conduct them selves in a serious manner, to actually instill change.
This is of their own accord, enjoy.
2) On "gay rights":
They should be in their right to be acknowledged by the Government as a Civil union, with every civic rights and duties of that of Married people. They may NOT how ever Marry in the church, and there should not be one goddamn thing the Government can do about that. What with the separation of religion and state and all that. Libs just want a one way separation apparently. Tell the Jews to eat bacon and see how far that goes.
3) On military spending:
Cut it all out, the rich should fund the wars they wish for.
Patrick
2012 Feb 29, 7:58am
Why is secular government even involved in marriage?
I'm pretty sure the traditional reason is to protect women and their children from men who would fail to support them.
I think men should have some obligation to support their own children. But aside from that, I agree with your points.
freak80
2012 Mar 1, 2:25am
I'm pretty sure the traditional reason is to protect women and their children from men who would fail to support them.
I think men should have some obligation to support their own children. But aside from that, I agree with your points.
Good points. But then again, many couples have children w/o marriage anyway. Aren't there "child support" requirements regardless of marital status? I really don't know the law very well regarding that.
freak80
2012 Mar 1, 2:33am
Tell the Jews to eat bacon and see how far that goes.
The Jews should most definitely eat bacon. It's delicious.
(Only kidding! Although not about the "delicious" part.)
freak80
2012 Mar 2, 12:36am
It'd be nice if a moderate presidential candidate would outline some some potentially helpful policies that might be agreeable with both the left and right (and others).
Take health insurance: for whatever reason, Obamacare is controversial. OK fine...get rid of it. Instead, expand access to Medicare...a program that doesn't seem to generate cries of evil "socialism." Let the poor and people with pre-existing conditions get Medicare. If there are cries of "socialism", remind people that Bush gave us Medicare Part D.
How do we pay for it? Yikes. Neither party cares to ask "how do we pay for this" whether it's bank bailouts or wars that can't be won. Just print more money, I guess. It's a hidden tax in the form of higher prices for gas and groceries.
Closing the "Buffet Loophole" will help, but is it anywhere near enough $ to pay for a Medicare expansion? Scaling back our military empire would help, and conservatives might even get on board if the issue were framed as "let those other freeloading nations pay to defend themselves." Maybe require an initial "buy in" to the new Medicare beneficiaries to help offset costs.
Thoughts?
Look, obama's policies ARE in many ways bush's third term, this is verifiable by comparison... Not only has he outlined policies that both parties have in the past agreed on and at times supported, he's continuing many that bush put in place and has defended them and STILL has been continuously attacked and denounced by republicans. Support for his presidency have absolutely NOTHING to do with his policy choices or actions, it's silliness to pretend otherwise, that he could have made choices that would have magically swayed republican support. It's wouldn't ever have and is not going to happen no matter what he does.
You started off strong but sure fizzled here.
The only reason the idea of Medicare doesn't bring on cries of 'socialsm' is that it's in place, it's popular, and it works. Otherwise, stop and think about it: it's pure socialism in action, and it's in place, it's popular, and it works.
The sooner people who argue against support for policies like that one accept the realities of what works and what doesn't instead of trying to fit a narrative to a preconvied half baked philosophy the better we'll all be.
freak80
2012 Mar 5, 12:52am
Kentm,
I was just brainstorming. I'm not trying to be for or against Obama.
I agree with you that Obama isn't some hard-left radical like the right-wing noise machine claims.
Obviously there's a lot of bitterness and division in the USA. That's probably always been true and might always be true.
Nonetheless, for the sake of practicality, would a large majority (of people who actually care about politics) support the following policies?
1) On taxes:
We should close the "Buffet Loophole." It doesn't make sense for ultra-high net worth individuals (who make much of their income from capital gains) to pay a lower tax rate than the middle class. It's not "class warfare" to say that ultra-high net worth individuals should pay at least the same % as the middle class.
2) On "gay rights":
It's really nobody's business what people do in private. I think most would agree. What people do in private shouldn't affect their right to vote, freedom of speech, habeus corpus, etc etc. On the marriage issue: we have a 50% divorce rate, so what's the point of marriage in the first place? Why is secular government even involved in marriage? Isn't marriage an inherently "religious" idea? Let marriage be the domain of religious groups and let them define marriage in the way they wish. "Liberal" religious groups could have "gay marriage" and conservative groups could have "traditional marriage." Get rid of the distinction between "married" and "single" on tax forms. Taxes shouldn't be a consideration in romantic relationships.
3) On military spending:
There's no reason to have military bases all around the world. That's going to breed resentment, especially in places like the Middle East. We can have a strong military and defense w/o having a de-facto "empire" that we can no longer afford. It's not "anti military" or "soft on defense" to side with the founders when they said to avoid foreign entanglements. Also, the Europeans can afford generous welfare states because they rely on the USA to defend them. They're like the adult children that live at home rent-free and then complain about how up-tight and backwards their parents are. I think we can get conservatives on-board if we say "let the Europeans defend Europeans" instead of mooching off the USA.