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Judge orders New York to allow protesters, tents, in park


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2011 Nov 15, 12:19am   3,613 views  9 comments

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/15/us/new-york-occupy-eviction/index.html?iid=HP_LN

I'm a tad confused here. Isn't the park Privately owned? If Brookfield Properties, the owner of Zuccotti Park said it's ok to set up tents, that be one thing, but to have a judge overrule a Private property owners rights and allow people to essentially become squatters sets a dangerous precedent. This is one of the things that really pisses me off about squatter laws. If I break into your house and steal your sofa, I could be charged with Breaking/Entering and Robbery. If I break into you house and move my sofa into you house and stay. I'm a Squatter, I have legal rights. WTF!!!

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1   Huntington Moneyworth III, Esq   2011 Nov 15, 1:37am  

Bah, this is boring. Where is the BLOODSHED? If I divide the underclass into bootlickers and boot stompees, I demand entertainment. The guys running this circus lack the testicular fortitude to put on a real show. Blood, burning cars, broken glass, it's all sadly lacking. I blame Frankston.

2   PockyClipsNow   2011 Nov 15, 2:03am  

Those people in the park are beggars.

Its my job as a taxpayer to pay more tax to provide make work do nothing jobs studying poetry and womens studies for every single useless kid? I disagree. Of course they want to be able to study thier liberal arts on my dime also AND the professors all get cush pensions 4life and I got nuthin as a taxpayer but a life of taxpaying. WHERE IS THE TAXPAYER REVOLT?

The whole occupy movement is being taken over by democrats to raise our taxes.

3   FortWayne   2011 Nov 15, 2:17am  

It doesn't matter that it is private. When thousands gather to protest the government corruption this is a First Amendment issue.

And if you break into my house and put your sofa in there you'll get kicked out by police, squatter rights do not apply there. In fact you'll probably be shot way before police arrives as most of us don't risk our lives trying to reason with someone breaking into our homes.

4   TechGromit   2011 Nov 15, 4:41am  

FortWayne says

It doesn't matter that it is private. When thousands gather to protest the government corruption this is a First Amendment issue.

When protesters block access to a place of business they get arrested by police. I say the same applies here, since this is private property, the first amendment shouldn't apply here. They are free to protest on the sidewalks and with a city permit stage a march, no one is denying them there free speech. What does setting up a squatters camp have to do with free speech?

You can argue that you can protest any private citizen or corporation and set up camp on there front lawn or company parking lot and claim the first amendment.

5   FortWayne   2011 Nov 15, 4:56am  

TechGromit says

I say the same applies here, since this is private property, the first amendment shouldn't apply here.

We will disagree here. If you allow someone to deny their first amendment right due to private property than the amendment can be taken away. What is to stop the elite from owning all the important land? What is for them to silence internet, after all internet is owned by our government.

Private or public it doesn't matter. If thousand of people are protesting this government corruption that is more important for the nation than some private property. To me this is an issue with first amendment.

And Bloomberg, like a lousy politician, just kicked the can down the road instead of solving real problems and enraged the public in the process. You know how human psyche works... when peaceful protest doesn't work and you get punched in the gut, guns come next. That's how this nation was founded, and we humans have not changed much.

7   corntrollio   2011 Nov 15, 8:13am  

TechGromit says

I'm a tad confused here. Isn't the park Privately owned? If Brookfield Properties, the owner of Zuccotti Park said it's ok to set up tents

Brookfield's rights to Zuccotti Park are not absolute. It is conditioned that the park be open to the public 24 hours/day. The planning commission in NY let Brookfield go beyond zoning rules in exchange for some amount of public space on the property. This is privately owned, but it is absolutely a public space.

TechGromit says

but to have a judge overrule a Private property owners rights

Always have to roll my eyes when people start talking about "property rights" as libertarians often do.

8   TechGromit   2011 Nov 15, 11:42am  

corntrollio says

Brookfield's rights to Zuccotti Park are not absolute. It is conditioned that the park be open to the public 24 hours/day. The planning commission in NY let Brookfield go beyond zoning rules in exchange for some amount of public space on the property

Not sure what this is all about? So your saying that the New York planning commission allowed Brookfield exceed zoning rules for a building, (The park, formerly called Liberty Plaza Park, was created in 1968 by United States Steel in return for a height bonus for its adjacent headquarters at the time of its construction). in exchange for public use of the park? So Brookfield can't drop a building on the park in the future? I always wondered why a for profit corporation would bother to build a park open to the public.

9   corntrollio   2011 Nov 16, 1:29am  

TechGromit says

So your saying that the New York planning commission allowed Brookfield exceed zoning rules for a building, (The park, formerly called Liberty Plaza Park, was created in 1968 by United States Steel in return for a height bonus for its adjacent headquarters at the time of its construction). in exchange for public use of the park? So Brookfield can't drop a building on the park in the future? I always wondered why a for profit corporation would bother to build a park open to the public.

Right, Brookfield renovated the park after it got damaged in 9/11. US Steel originally created it in exchange for an exemption to zoning.

This is very common all around New York. There are lots of privately owned public spaces like this. It happens in San Francisco as well -- as a condition of building certain taller buildings, sometimes the city requires public space on the ground floor. It is usually not 24/7 here because it's not always outdoors.

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