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  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 19, 3:00pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Bush's speech


'Bigotry seems emboldened. Our politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication,' Bush declared.

Credit where it's due, he does have a point there. Unfortunately, he devoted eight years to empowering and spreading bigotry on behalf of his Saudi sponsors, thus proving some of the conspiracy theories that he might prefer to dismiss as fabrication. Also, it's hard to imagine how we can have become even "more vulnerable" to fabrication than we were when Colin Powell said "we know" Iraq has WMD and W used fabricated allegations about yellowcake to launch another war in Iraq.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 19, 3:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

WookieMan says
there's a lot of back and forth with the comments. A lot of it gets childish....


For a while, thread posters could delete or move comments that that were off topic. Patrick removed the delete function, perhaps to promote free speech, but a "move" function would work better. I posted a reply thread for people to reply to anything if they want. If you comment in a thread about investing, and someone responds by calling you a hairy ape with bad breath, you can use the reply thread to answer back without dragging the investing thread off topic.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 21, 4:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

justme says
To counteract propaganda, you need a counterthread, side by side. I really have no way of knowing whether it would work, but I have never seen it, and it might be worth a try.


You might like procon.org.

That site limits the topics of discussion though, so users may only debate topics that the owners have approved as debatable. For example, the site permits users to debate whether people are born gay and have a right to the equal protection of the laws governing marriage, but the site does not permit users to debate Islam, nor the ban on Muslim immigration that candidate Trump suggested in 2016. As a result, Muslims may argue that gay people have chosen to defy Allah and that jihadis have a right and sacred duty to kill gay couples. In contrast, no one is allowed to say the President should exercise his Constitutional authority to defend our country from advocates of a totalitarian doctrine that commands believers must kill Americans, violently overthrow our government, and impose Sharia. “If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 21, 4:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

"Egypt’s security forces suffered one of their heaviest attacks after militants firing rockets and detonating explosives hit a police operation on Friday in the western desert, authorities and security sources said on Saturday.

Three security sources said at least 52 police officers and conscripts had been killed in gun battles that erupted in the remote desert, but Egyptian authorities said only 16 men had died when their patrol came under attack.
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At least 15 militants were also killed in the gun fight.
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Security has been a key point for President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, a former military commander who presents himself as a bulwark against terrorism after leading the ouster of president Mohamed Mursi of the Muslim Brotherhood in 2013. Sisi was elected on a landslide a year later.
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Security sources earlier said the police had been hunting hideout of the Hasm Movement, an Islamist militant group blamed for attacks on judges and police around the capital... Egyptian authorities say it is the armed militant wing of the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist group it outlawed in 2013.
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Since Sisi came to power, hundreds of troops and police have been killed in often sophisticated attacks by militants in the northern Sinai region, where Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis group pledged allegiance to Islamic State in 2014.

Last Sunday, at least 24 militants and six soldiers were killed in attacks on military outposts in North Sinai, when more than 100 militants repeatedly attacked security outposts south of the border town of Sheikh Zuweid.

Attacks have mostly hit police and armed forces, but militants have also extended their campaign outside the Sinai, targeting Egypt’s Christians with bomb attacks on churches in Cairo and other cities.
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  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 24, 12:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

All branches of California government have made the best (or least bad) of the federal legislation. The California Supreme Court ruled against hospitals "balance billing" HMO emergency patients, and 2016 AB 72 legislated against "surprise bills" outside of the emergency context, and additional legislation protects Californians against insurance companies dropping doctors in the middle of a plan year. As a result, the federally mandated insurance is either better or less bad in California than elsewhere in the USA.

Polls showed CA voters approved of the legislation even when most Americans disapproved. In 2016 Hillary Clinton's nationwide popular vote margin was less than her margin in California, meaning she won the popular vote in California but lost across the other 49 states.

In my opinion, the polls and votes are at least somewhat related to the facts.

errc says
Also need to encourage competition, and the simplest way is the Colorado method: decriminalize Cannabis and allow Americans the Right to Die. Mixed with the Mexico/Canada method of allowing consumers to purchase medicines without a doctors permission slip. I get that this is far too much Freedom for busybody American voters to cope with, but it’s hands down the most MAGA solution imaginable, and that’s also why there’s Zero chance of getting it from Trump/Republican Government


Another simple way would be to apply NAFTA to the medical sector, so that providers can practice without borders and people can buy whatever they need without government interference. Neither major party advocates anything like that, because both work primarily for the entrenched revenue recipients, whose goal is to maximize revenue, which everyone else calls spending.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 26, 10:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Finally, there is hope that @FortWayne might be freed from his perennial obsession with homosexuality, and without needing to learn Latin.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 27, 2:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quigley says
a deceptive ploy to fool the West into....


buying shares in the latest KSA IPO scam.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 27, 2:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

PatNet project of the day: hack the Saudi citizen bot and program it to do what it should.

@Dan8267, have it recite your posts and comments and everything Richard Dawkins ever wrote, at 150dB and over every available radio frequency, continuously. Bonus points if it can use AI to identify and enter mosques at prayer times.

@APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE, program it to recharge using solar power and to defend itself with M134. By "defend itself," I mean like what the Koran says to do to anyone who objects to the program.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 31, 12:41am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Rew says
He will


...pardon. FTFY.

Read your Constitution:

The President "shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

I don't understand how anyone can seriously believe the President would quit if his family were threatened. He would much more likely pardon his family, and counter-attack against his opponents. He might even pardon Manafort.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 31, 1:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Rew says
curious2 says
I don't understand how anyone can seriously believe the President would quit if his family were threatened.


Sorry I missed this in reply above.

Yes, I am presuming Trump has compassion for his family. Maybe I am wrong.


That comment doesn't make sense. If your family were threatened, would you quit and run away? The compassionate thing would be to pardon them, and face the MSM handwringing that the President is already facing anyway.

You keep talking about "obstruction of justice," which is a statutory offense. You seem not to understand that the Presidential pardon power is an express authorization in the Constitution itself. Almost any pardon would necessarily block the whole DoJ process, and could thus be called "obstruction of justice," but you can't erase an expressly authorized Constitutional power by citing a mere statute. Again, read your Constitution, it's free online.

You have a point about the 5th Amendment, but one hears a lot of "I don't recall" in Congressional testimony. Sometimes, people do get convicted of perjury for saying they don't recall, but that's rare. Also, in a federal case, the President could pardon them for that, too.

You have a point about state and local charges, but a President can make life difficult for a state that chooses to make life difficult for his family, even if it happens to be his home state.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I marvel at the TDS and I feel dismayed that certain Navy guys can't figure out the President's strategy. I see the same IRL, and a recent military times survey showed Navy officers in particular had the highest disapproval for the commander in chief, while the Marines had the strongest support. Just because you can't understand a particular strategy doesn't mean there is none. You look at a guy who succeeded across multiple fields where many fail, and who became a billionaire and President of the United States, and you refuse flatly somehow to believe that he has any strategy. That makes no sense, and it leaves you tiring yourself out over distractions while the Republicans control the entire federal government and most of the states.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 31, 5:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quigley says
a busy bike lane near West and Chambers Street.


@Quigley, the OP photo shows the lower east side of Manhattan, seen from Brooklyn, including the Brooklyn Bridge. The attack occurred on the lower west side of Manhattan, on a beautiful bicycle path where I have bicycled many times. If I had been there today, I could easily have been among the eight killed or 11 injured.

The targets appear to have included Stuyvesant high school students, and a school bus. Here is a photo of the attack route from the NY Times report:

  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 31, 5:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

YesYNot says
Officers: -23%.
Enlisted: +10%


I saw that too, but I would have liked to see the percentages by deployment or station. Most Navy officers have no contact with hostile Muslims; many are literally at sea, and others are sailing a desk or, at best, favored customers in a Gulf regime port. In contrast, many enlisted Marines and soldiers have direct experience searching the homes and phones of average Ahmeds. They see the videos on the phones, the Osama screen savers, etc. Those videos cannot be unseen. One Islamic State favorite features a hit parade of sniper videos, the sniper's eye view, as the Islamic State snipers shot American soldiers to death. Imagine your buddy getting killed and then you find that video on dozens of phones. Cops in Scandinavia report seeing the same videos, but complain they can't do anything about it, because possessing the videos isn't even illegal. NATO politicians try to censor the videos here, because they have a polarizing effect. The videos recruit Muslims, and turn (i.e. educate) non-Muslims against Islam. So, the same difference of opinion exists between the 'high altitude' elite who say what they're paid to say, vs the ground level guys who see with their own eyes.

In 2016, Donald Trump became the first major candidate for the Presidency to speak candidly about Islam since probably the 19th century. Winston Churchill and American generals in WWII said similar things, but they weren't running for President in 2016. Islam hasn't changed. What has changed is Petrodollar corruption since Nixon's disastrous deals with KSA, and consequently "elite" American leaders' degree of familiarity with what Islam says and does.

Sometimes, the dogs are the first to detect hostile intruders. The humans outrank the dogs, and might have more education, and might at first ignore and even resent the barking, but that doesn't make the dogs wrong.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 1, 12:45am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Rew says
Trump is simply a showman interested in being on TV and liked.

Or do you really believe he is trying to save the American middle class?


When he declared his candidacy, I assumed that it was a publicity stunt, and that he would drop out as he had done in the past. I did guess correctly that he would never release his taxes, but I did not guess that he could win without doing that. He likes winning, and he might want a second term, even though I think that would be a mistake for both him and the republic. Ideally, he and the country should find an honorable way for him to retire, e.g. by replacing Mike Pence with Ivanka Trump. Jimmy Kimmel suggested promoting the President to King, which isn't even a real title in our system, but we can all agree to call him that and applaud while he waves in parades.

I do really believe he wants to provide for his children and grandchildren, and he is smart enough to know what Islam commands believers to do to them.

Rew says
The rest is a typical attitude of those who don't know, or would like to believe Naval service isn't forward deployed, engaged with the enemy, and somehow "less risky" than boots on the ground. To date for 2017, we have lost more on ships than in Afghanistan.


Due almost entirely to episodes of poor seamanship on the part of Navy personnel, not due to getting shot or blown up by ISIL. Navy ships colliding accidentally with allied merchant vessels is even worse than running aground, which has also happened. Seriously, I'm surprised you would draw attention to those in this context; you're doing Beijing's PR job for them:

"Beijing ridicules Seventh Fleet after warships’ collisions

A semi-submersible ship – reportedly Chinese-built – has been deployed to tow the badly damaged USS John S McCain back to its home port in Yokosuka, Japan, after the 8,300-ton guided-missile destroyer’s collision in August that claimed the lives of 10 of its crew, and left another five injured.

The John S McCain will join the USS Fitzgerald, which was involved in an earlier collision with a container ship that killed seven in June.
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The fact that seamen on the sinking Fitzgerald, after a blackout that downed all electronic devices, had to use a private cellphone to send SOS signals has evoked much derision among fans of the Chinese military, as they jeered that ships of the ace US Seventh Fleet couldn’t even sail properly at night and therefore posed a grave danger to other vessels, as such collisions occurred not just once but twice.
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You don't get to claim combat pay, nor steal any part of anyone else's glory, for accidentally crashing into an allied container ship.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 1, 6:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Rew says
the Russian government isn't looking to form.... Putin seeks....


@Rew, you might really like PBS Frontline's latest report on that topic, but contrast it with Oliver Stone's interviews if you have time.

Rew says
You think suddenly the Navy forgot how to steer the boats?


Since you have asked me a direct question, here is what I think:

"USS FITZGERALD

The collision between Fitzgerald and Crystal was avoidable and resulted from an accumulation of smaller errors over time, ultimately resulting in a lack of adherence to sound navigational practices. Specifically, Fitzgerald's watch teams disregarded established norms of basic contact management and, more importantly, leadership failed to adhere to well-established protocols put in place to prevent collisions. In addition, the ship's triad was absent during an evolution where their experience, guidance and example would have greatly benefited the ship.

USS JOHN S. MCCAIN

The collision between John S. McCain and Alnic MC was also avoidable and resulted primarily from complacency, over-confidence and lack of procedural compliance. A major contributing factor to the collision was sub-standard level of knowledge regarding the operation of the ship control console. In particular, McCain's commanding officer disregarded recommendations from his executive officer, navigator and senior watch officer to set sea and anchor watch teams in a timely fashion to ensure the safe and effective operation of the ship. With regard to procedures, no one on the Bridge watch team, to include the commanding officer and executive officer, were properly trained on how to correctly operate the ship control console during a steering casualty.
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In addition, I think it would be prudent to avoid asking direct questions when you might not like the answers.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 2, 7:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Strategist says
anon_acf85 says
Do Muslims give the campaign donations and cushy job promises to the elected officials? Do Muslims call for Middle Eastern wars and run Wall Street, Hollywood, and the media?

Know your real enemy.


"Do Muslims call for Middle Eastern wars"
Duh! Why would they call for wars against their own countries?


First two questions:

"How Saudi Arabia captured Washington"

"Hillary Clinton, The Podesta Group And The Saudi Regime"

See also Nixon's disastrous deals with KSA, switching the USD from the gold standard to the Petrodollar standard.

Last question:

Because Islam is a word that means literally submission, and a plan designed, fabricated, and optimized to conquer and subjugate as many people as possible. Islam hates people. In Muslim countries, the Muslims-in-Charge use Islam to conquer their enemies and to subjugate everyone, e.g. KSA Petrodollars to crush the Shia heresy based in Iran. In non-Muslim countries, Muslims (e.g. Linda Sarsour) fool useful idiots into spreading Islam. Combining the two, you get MSM mass hypnosis misleading useful idiots to mistake KSA for an ally, and to obsess over Iran as 'the' enemy in the Muslim world (when in fact the real enemy in that part of the world is Islam itself).
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 2, 7:53pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_acf85 says
Strange how Muslims weren't bombing the USA in 1930.


Duh, they didn't have Petrodollars back then. They do now. Pakistan has nuclear weapons, and is already using them for traditional Islamic extortion and terrorism, and Erdegun can take the American missiles stationed in Turkey, thus joining in the same game.

anon_acf85 says
The reason they over here is because we are over there.

Ugh. More idiocy, useful only to apologists. Read about the Islamic conquest of India, for example. Read about what's happening in the Pacific archipelagos. None of those countries ever invaded the desert land of the dead charlatan Mohamed, but they have nevertheless been conquered mercilessly by his deluded followers.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 3, 12:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Ceffer says
I think you guys are arguing with a propaganda bot.


Yes, it has posted exactly the same comments elsewhere on PatNet:

anonymous says
One wonders if US wars lead to terrorism, refugees, debt, and tyranny.


anon_acf85 says
One wonders if US wars lead to terrorism, refugees, debt, and tyranny.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 5, 1:52pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

TwoScoopsMcGee says
What happened 8 years ago today and not far from this town?


Today marks the 8th anniversary of the Islamic attack inside the army base at Fort Hood. A Muslim officer killed 13 Americans and wounded more than 30, on behalf of Islam.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 5, 2:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

jazz_music says
curious2 says
jazz_music says
What happened

WTF!


Fixed - IDK how the error happened, but thanks for noting it.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 12, 4:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
I see no good reason to have insurance on people’s health in the first place. It’s very hard to determine how to accurately price individuals health insurance risk, because you have no knowledge of their dietary inputs, which determine potential health care needs.


It's possible to combine both. The CEO of Whole Foods objected to providing employee medical insurance and said it makes more sense to provide healthy food; as a matter of public policy, he said subsidizing healthy food would do more for public health than subsidizing medical insurance. PR-driven controversy followed, and the USA continues to subsidize the most unhealthy foods while also subsidizing medical insurance. If we had actual socialism instead of the lemon socialism that we have now, it would be possible to provide healthy food like the British did during the Blitz and medical care via something like the British NHS. BTW, Britain is mostly capitalist, but Britons live on average longer than Americans while spending less than half as much on actually socialized medicine (NHS) as Americans spend on lemon socialized medicine. The Brits closed the "British restaurants" (cafeterias in tube stations) after the war, but the success provided proof of concept: it is possible actually to feed people healthy food, if you have a unifying dynamic (e.g. an external threat) and clear-eyed resolve (e.g. Churchill) setting policy that works for people.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 12, 6:07pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says
Is Roy Moore a Candidate for Cannonization?


He is definitely a candidate for cannon canonization ASAP. Mix the ashes of the late Pope John Paul II into the gunpowder, and fire them both into the adoring crowd. For an encore, Nazinger next.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 12, 6:23pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
Canada’s specialist wait times are now averaging 22 weeks. Me? I can see my ENT doctor same day if I want.


I haven't seen Canada's wait times, but I know more about the British NHS. How long you wait depends on what you need. If your chief complaint is post nasal drip, then you might have to wait or go to a private clinic, where you'll get probably better results at a fraction of the cost. (From what I've seen, elective ENT surgery in the UK costs less than half what it would cost here, so it can be cheaper to fly there and get the surgery and then fly back.) If you have something obstructing your breathing and creating an emergency, an NHS hospital will take care of you the same day, better than here, and at no cost to you.

Goran_K says

How do you bring down the cost of services and goods?


(1) let people buy drugs from anywhere in the world, without buying permission first. In America, customers are limited to buying the exact number of the exact drug that a paid prescriber wrote, and a pharmacist with 10 years of post-secondary education counts to ten or 30 and types up a label for the bottle. It's the most expensive and labor-intensive method in the world, maximizing cost/revenue, and errors.
(2) budget hospitals the same way as fire departments and police departments, not on a fee-for-service basis. Fund the VA sufficiently to accomplish its mission, and to provide emergency services and vaccines to anyone who shows up.
(3) if you are going to pay private sector providers, do that on the basis of diagnosis, not fee-for-service, and separate the functions of diagnosis and treatment. Otherwise, you end up with an expert service problem, where (for example) a dermatologist can diagnose skin cancer, do a Mohs surgery, discard the tissue sample, leave the patient scarred for life, and bill for the whole thing with no corroboration that the patient had skin cancer to begin with. The current "capitalist" (lemon socialist) system in the USA invites waste, fraud, and abuse, which add up to 30% of spending according to the Institute of Medicine. Personally, I think those categories add up to more than half.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 12, 11:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

mell says
best expert MDs for pretty much every condition.


Japan has the best for many or most specialties, while Britain and Japan have probably the best for routine things. America has a few examples of excellence, e.g. Mayo Clinic, but overall the most uneven system in the world. Medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the USA. Entrepreneurial overutilization can be hazardous to your health, even fatal.

Goran_K says
I don’t want to be forced to subsidize others.


Publicly funded projects including medical research subsidize you all the time. Anyway the "others" you speak of are mainly the revenue recipients, e.g. hospital corporations and drug companies charging the highest prices in the world. The same essential generic drugs, e.g. doxycycline, sell for 100x more here than anywhere else, despite patents having expired decades ago. The "others" taking doxycycline are not getting a better product, you're not really subsidizing them, you're subsidizing the patronage networks (including PhRMA) that raised the price 100x.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 3:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

HEY YOU, you seem overly impressed with James Howard Kunstler (JHK, and no relation to the late, great William Kunstler). JHK's self-published biography says, "In 1975, he dropped out to write books on a full-time basis." You might lead a happier life if you read someone else instead of plastering PatNet with the writings of JHK as if they were your own personal gospel.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 4:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

President Trump's decision to continue military misadventures that he had campaigned on curtailing, combined with his unconstitutional ban against transgendered persons, appears to have driven recruiters to extreme measures. Some transgendered persons have distinguished themselves in military service, for example:

"Kristin Beck, formerly Chris, served 20 years as a SEAL and fought on some of the most dangerous battlefields in the world, but after she left the service she realized she wasn't living the life she wanted.

"Chris really wanted to be a girl and felt that she was a girl and consolidated that identity very early on in childhood," said Anne Speckhard, co-author of Beck's biography "Warrior Princess," which was published over the weekend. Speckhard told ABC News Beck suppressed that secret for decades, however, through the trials of SEAL training and the harrowing missions that followed, growing a burly beard as she fought on the front lines of American special operations.
"

The armed forces faced similar problems during the era of "Don't Ask, Don't tell." They were required to discharge anyone found to be gay, despite their own admission that these included some of the best in the command, and a Rand study finding those discharged were on average more qualified than their peers at recruitment. Recruiters had to recruit school dropouts and felons, in order to replace active duty personnel who were much better qualified and would be eligible to serve today. Bigotry has unfortunate consequences.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 4:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says
bob2356 says
Great, How does one price something up front if you don't know what is wrong yet? Goran dodged this question also.


I didn't dodge any question. I said for those procedures/drugs/etc for which we can know. I'm not an MD, or a healthcare professional, and neither are you, so I'll leave it to those who have knowledge and work in that market to determine if that is possible.


It is possible at scale. For example, Mayo Clinic negotiates with insurers to handle diagnoses on a fee-for-diagnosis basis, rather than fee for service. The law of large numbers enables the individual variations to cancel each other out, and the flat billing discourages over-utilization.

It is also possible to solve the expert service problem by separating diagnosis from service. For example, if you open the VA to all, they could do diagnoses, then post the diagnosis for competitive bidding by approved providers.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 19, 10:47am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Strategist says
But why should we be fair to extremists who want to kill us?


Fairness: ''Do unto others as they would do unto you - and do it first...." If we had the oil and they had the guns, they would simply take whatever they want, make everyone submit to their doctrine, and kill anyone who objects. Petrodollar kickbacks (baksheesh) corrupt western politicians and MSM to empower 'allies' who would kill us at the first opportunity.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 26, 3:55am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Again, submitting to Islam confers no defense against getting killed in the name of Islam:

"When some two dozen militants massacred at least 305 people in the Sinai Peninsula on Friday, they were targeting the Sufi community that worshiped in the area’s Rawda mosque... Egyptian state news agency MENA said the attack “appeared” to have been carried out by Islamic State... Sufism, or tasawwuf, is an Islamic movement that utilizes prayer, asceticism, music and even dance... One of Sufism’s most recognizable figures is the whirling dervish...."

Meanwhile, in Pakistan:

"Authorities said at least six protesters were killed and 200 people — including dozens of police officers and paramilitary troops — were injured as stone-throwing crowds fought with police for control of a highway intersection. Clashes also broke out in other cities, including Lahore and Karachi, with officials saying at least 150 protesters have been arrested.
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The demonstrations began three weeks ago after the release of a proposed new version of an oath to be taken by lawmakers that omitted mention of the Prophet Muhammad. The protesters, many of them supporters of the cleric, Khadim Hussain Rizvi, an outspoken Islamist, have demanded that the law minister resign for the omission, which they called blasphemy.
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The omission in the new oath was quickly reversed, but Mr. Rizvi’s supporters have continued to accuse the law minister of blasphemy — a highly combustible issue in Pakistan, and one that has repeatedly led to acts of violence.
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Mr. Rizvi grew bolder and urged his supporters to bring the whole country to a standstill. Mr. Rizvi’s speeches were broadcast on Facebook Live and helped to galvanize his supporters across the country.
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Protesters also stormed the home of Mr. Hamid in Pasrur in Sialkot District... Another lawmaker from the governing party, Mian Javid Latif, was attacked by protesters and injured in Sheikhupura District, the local news media reported... Local media outlets reported that protesters in Rawalpindi had damaged the entrance of the house of Nisar Ali Khan, a former interior minister.
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The authorities said that protests had closed a road that connects Islamabad to the eastern city of Lahore, where hundreds of protesters burned tires and scuffled with the police. There were clashes in the southern port city of Karachi, according to media reports.
"

Note that FB is apparently involved again in promoting Islam: after reportedly cooperating with the Pakistani government to put a Facebook user on death row for blasphemy, FB transmitted the speeches promoting Islamic violence.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 30, 12:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
curious2 has posted many links showing that more than half of all [American medical spending goes to waste, fraud, and abuse, and many] procedures are less effective/more harmful than doing nothing at all.


FTFY. I haven't posted links showing how many different procedures there are, nor how many of each are done, and I don't know exactly what percentage by either measure are worse than nothing. The Institute of Medicine calculated 30% of American spending goes to waste, fraud, and abuse, and others have published higher estimates, and I feel confident estimating more than 50% of American medical spending goes to waste, fraud, and abuse.
  curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 10, 3:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

"Swedish media reported that anti-Jewish slogans were yelled when about 200 people, some waving Palestinian flags, rallied late Friday in Malmo.

According to a report in Sveriges Radio, demonstrators in Malmo shouted, among other slogans, that: “we want our freedom back and we’re going to shoot the Jews.”

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Malmo...the southern Swedish city with its 75,000 Muslims is known as one of the most anti-Semitic cities in Europe. In 2012, the European Jewish Congress warned that the city’s Jewish community was at grave risk and that hate crimes were designed to make the lives of Swedish Jews unbearable.
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Swedish authorities consciously ignored the situation — 134 complaints last year to the Malmo police, including claims of violence and property damage. But all those files were closed without investigations...
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Tsubarah was born in Malmo to a Swedish mother and an Israeli father. Her father Amnon came to Sweden in 1980 and opened the country’s first falafel restaurant to great enthusiasm. Back then the Jewish community numbered more than 2,000 people, compared with 400 now.

“Jews here know that as soon as their identity is known they’ll suffer insults, threats and violence,” Tsubarah says.
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“In my high school 80 percent of the students were Muslim, and they would say: ‘Wait and see what happens when we catch you,’” she says. “My brother was severely beaten because he was Jewish. When he complained to the police nothing happened.”
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"Demonstrators in Stockholm set fire to Israeli flag
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people behind the demonstration noticed a man well behind the main group waving an Israeli flag. The people at the back of the group then rushed towards the man, before taking the flag and stamping on it.

It was later set alight by another group.
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Patrick says
TwoScoopsMcGee says
Google "The Law of Jante".

The Thesis is steaming towards it's inevitable conclusion.


The Law of Jante sounds very Irish too.

But what is this inevitable conclusion?


I would have said that Islamic law is steaming towards its inevitable conclusion, using violence to force everyone to submit to the hateful fraud of the dead charlatan Mohamed and his followers.

"The Law of Jante" would not have recommended importing Muslims, who believe they are better than everyone else because they are Muslim. Somehow, Sweden paid to import Islam. Patrick suspects that was a test to see if Swedish men would stand up. I see it rather as corruption and hypnosis. KSA invested for years in western politicians and public relations including media campaigns and "donations" to universities and think tanks. They hired Podesta Group, invested millions in the Clintons, etc. Somehow, Swedes were fooled into seeing Muslims as helpless and harmless and colorful, like abandoned puppies. They will probably see too late what happened to the inhabitants of Yathrib, who made the mistake of importing followers of Mohamed as refugees. "Allah is the "best deceiver:" Muslims will mock the Swedes' credulity, and celebrate the ease with which Allah enables Muslims to conquer the gullible in the name of Islam, thus ultimately proving Muslims' superiority over Swedes.