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mell
2022 May 14, 7:19pm
AmericanKulak says
Agreed. Poverty does promote crime to a certain extent, but it's far less than people are led to believe. Also the standard of living for "poor" people is much higher these days - at the expense of the middle and upper (not to be confused with the uber wealthy) class - yet so is crime
HeadSet saysOpportunity and lack of morals. Notice the crime spree caused when California stopped prosecuting shoplifting under $950, it was not food that was being taken. Now as you say, feeding an addiction can lead to thefts by desperate addicts. But that would be an easy crime to prevent, just supply free drugs to addicts in a group camp and let them waste away. Fixing "poverty" would have no affect on drug crime.
BINGO.
Agreed. Poverty does promote crime to a certain extent, but it's far less than people are led to believe. Also the standard of living for "poor" people is much higher these days - at the expense of the middle and upper (not to be confused with the uber wealthy) class - yet so is crime
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gabbar
2022 May 15, 4:39am
gabbar
2022 May 15, 4:39am
HeadSet says
You make good points. I will think about this perspective. In my case, I didnt feel too bad when my bicycle got stolen. But I did report it to police, not sure why. 30 years back, I was poor and probably I would have felt bad about it.
This is the entire quote:
I am convinced that imprisonment is a way of pretending to solve the problem of crime. It does nothing for the victims of crime, but perpetuates the idea of retribution, thus maintaining the endless cycle of violence in our culture. It is a cruel and useless substitute for the elimination of those conditions -- poverty, unemployment, homelessness, desperation, racism, greed--which are at the root of most punished crime. The crimes of the rich and powerful go mostly unpunished. It must surely be a tribute to the resilience of the human spirit that even a small number of those men and women in the hell of the prison system survive it and hold on to their humanity. - Howard Zinn, You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train: A Personal History of Our Times
Opportunity and lack of morals. Notice the crime spree caused when California stopped prosecuting shoplifting under $950, it was not food that was being taken. Now as you say, feeding an addiction can lead to thefts by desperate addicts. But that would be an easy crime to prevent, just supply free drugs to addicts in a group camp and let them waste away. Fixing "poverty" would have no affect on drug crime.
You make good points. I will think about this perspective. In my case, I didnt feel too bad when my bicycle got stolen. But I did report it to police, not sure why. 30 years back, I was poor and probably I would have felt bad about it.
This is the entire quote:
I am convinced that imprisonment is a way of pretending to solve the problem of crime. It does nothing for the victims of crime, but perpetuates the idea of retribution, thus maintaining the endless cycle of violence in our culture. It is a cruel and useless substitute for the elimination of those conditions -- poverty, unemployment, homelessness, desperation, racism, greed--which are at the root of most punished crime. The crimes of the rich and powerful go mostly unpunished. It must surely be a tribute to the resilience of the human spirit that even a small number of those men and women in the hell of the prison system survive it and hold on to their humanity. - Howard Zinn, You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train: A Personal History of Our Times
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gabbar
2022 May 15, 8:16pm
gabbar
2022 May 15, 8:16pm
Democracy depends on citizens being informed, and since our media, especially television (which is the most important source of news for most Americans) reports mostly what the people in power do, and repeats what the people in power say, the public is badly informed, and it means we cannot really say we have a functioning democracy. – Howard Zinn, Huffington Post, Jan. 28, 2010
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gabbar
2022 May 16, 12:37pm
gabbar
2022 May 16, 12:37pm
mell says
I know a couple of families that live on government funds due to 'disability'. One of them used to fuck her lawyer to pay legal fee and the lawyer finally got her on the disability due to a 'slipped disc'. They have a pretty good and comfortable life.
Also the standard of living for "poor" people is much higher these days
I know a couple of families that live on government funds due to 'disability'. One of them used to fuck her lawyer to pay legal fee and the lawyer finally got her on the disability due to a 'slipped disc'. They have a pretty good and comfortable life.
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KgK one
2022 May 16, 1:06pm
gabbar says
Hatred for every thing except Islam is built into Islam. Muslim don't get along with anyone. Mayanmar buddhist , all variations of Hindus in india, Sikhs in west Punjab where now there are no Sikhs left. All borders with jewish Isreal and Christians.
RC2006 saysMuslims pretty much got along with Jews until Jews started creating Israel.
I don't know if Muslims got along with Jews before pre-Israel. The hatred of Jews is built into Islamic religious literature.
Hatred for every thing except Islam is built into Islam. Muslim don't get along with anyone. Mayanmar buddhist , all variations of Hindus in india, Sikhs in west Punjab where now there are no Sikhs left. All borders with jewish Isreal and Christians.
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richwicks
2022 May 16, 1:53pm
richwicks
2022 May 16, 1:53pm
gabbar says
They got along pretty well. They never had an extermination program for Jewish people, like Europe did.
Still, Islam is generally pretty screwed up. The reason they don't have a huge African population despite importing something like 4x the number of slaves from Africa, is they castrated all their slaves.
RC2006 saysMuslims pretty much got along with Jews until Jews started creating Israel.
I don't know if Muslims got along with Jews before pre-Israel. The hatred of Jews is built into Islamic religious literature.
They got along pretty well. They never had an extermination program for Jewish people, like Europe did.
Still, Islam is generally pretty screwed up. The reason they don't have a huge African population despite importing something like 4x the number of slaves from Africa, is they castrated all their slaves.
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gabbar
2022 May 18, 3:23am
gabbar
2022 May 18, 3:23am
richwicks says
Do you know any source (book, article...)of this castration of slaves?
The reason they don't have a huge African population despite importing something like 4x the number of slaves from Africa, is they castrated all their slaves.
Do you know any source (book, article...)of this castration of slaves?
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Eric Holder
2022 May 20, 2:06pm
Eric Holder
2022 May 20, 2:06pm
gabbar says
Did they have a debate in that chamber about the Budapest Memorandum? No? Why start now then?
Did they have a debate in that chamber about the Budapest Memorandum? No? Why start now then?
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stereotomy
2022 May 20, 2:48pm
stereotomy
2022 May 20, 2:48pm
Patrick says
I left my wallet in NC at a restaurant way back in the day. I called the restaurant, and asked them to ship my wallet back to me, less the postage fees. They did that, to the nearest dollar. To this day I respect country folk. Most times, they're considered "white trash," but let me tell you, if you treat them with respect (and they're not on meth), they will reciprocate.
The most shameful experience I had with my ex-jewish girlfriend was one time, when we were walking into a grocery store. A black mother was fastening her daughter into a stroller. Her daughter was an albino black. My liberal jewish grilfriend turned to me eagerly and asked me "Did you see it, did you see it?" I responded, "Yes, I saw *her*, she's a human being too." That was the second major strike against her. I knew then that despite her posturing that she was truly a racist.
https://notthebee.com/article/this-new-york-city-man-lost-his-wallet-and-the-1400-inside-luckily-a-jewish-family-picked-it-up-and-was-nice-enough-to-return-it-to-him
https://nitter.pussthecat.org/Not_the_Bee/status/1526282417706872832
Just something to defy the stereotypes.
I left my wallet in NC at a restaurant way back in the day. I called the restaurant, and asked them to ship my wallet back to me, less the postage fees. They did that, to the nearest dollar. To this day I respect country folk. Most times, they're considered "white trash," but let me tell you, if you treat them with respect (and they're not on meth), they will reciprocate.
The most shameful experience I had with my ex-jewish girlfriend was one time, when we were walking into a grocery store. A black mother was fastening her daughter into a stroller. Her daughter was an albino black. My liberal jewish grilfriend turned to me eagerly and asked me "Did you see it, did you see it?" I responded, "Yes, I saw *her*, she's a human being too." That was the second major strike against her. I knew then that despite her posturing that she was truly a racist.
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stereotomy
2022 May 20, 4:58pm
stereotomy
2022 May 20, 4:58pm
AmericanKulak says
Just when I'm convinced that the musselman is the devil, you gatta bring up something I agree with. Damn you!!
Just when I'm convinced that the musselman is the devil, you gatta bring up something I agree with. Damn you!!
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Booger
2022 May 22, 9:16am
Booger
2022 May 22, 9:16am
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10835551/Virginia-board-rename-schools-Confederate-generals-dropping-titles-George-Floyd-murder.html
Virginia board is set to return names of the Confederate generals Stonewall Jackson, Turner Ashby and Robert E Lee to two schools after they were changed during George Floyd protests
Virginia board is set to return names of the Confederate generals Stonewall Jackson, Turner Ashby and Robert E Lee to two schools after they were changed during George Floyd protests
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SunnyvaleCA
2022 May 23, 2:53pm
HeadSet says
Umm.... "California stopped prosecuting shoplifting" isn't really "opportunity and lack of morals" (unless the opportunity is that they aren't in jail and the morals that are lacking are those of the politicians. The shoplifting is due to lack of consequences.
gabbar saysOkay, then what do you think causes crime?
Opportunity and lack of morals. Notice the crime spree caused when California stopped prosecuting shoplifting under $950, it was not food that was being taken. Now as you say, feeding an addiction can lead to thefts by desperate addicts. But that would be an easy crime to prevent, just supply free drugs to addicts in a group camp and let them waste away. Fixing "poverty" would have no affect on drug crime.
Umm.... "California stopped prosecuting shoplifting" isn't really "opportunity and lack of morals" (unless the opportunity is that they aren't in jail and the morals that are lacking are those of the politicians. The shoplifting is due to lack of consequences.
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richwicks
2022 May 23, 2:58pm
richwicks
2022 May 23, 2:58pm
Booger says
The South is unfairly maligned. The reality about Lincoln is that he opposed slavery, but he also opposed allowing black people to continue to live in the United States. He wanted to expel them all to Liberia. That's why Liberia was created.
Many abolitionists didn't view "people of color" as being equal to white men. Lincoln was one of those, and the civil war was NOT fought over slavery, it was economic in nature, and part of the economics of the Union was to keep the South under NY's financial district's thumb.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10835551/Virginia-board-rename-schools-Confederate-generals-dropping-titles-George-Floyd-murder.html
Virginia board is set to return names of the Confederate generals Stonewall Jackson, Turner Ashby and Robert E Lee to two schools after they were changed during George Floyd protests
The South is unfairly maligned. The reality about Lincoln is that he opposed slavery, but he also opposed allowing black people to continue to live in the United States. He wanted to expel them all to Liberia. That's why Liberia was created.
Many abolitionists didn't view "people of color" as being equal to white men. Lincoln was one of those, and the civil war was NOT fought over slavery, it was economic in nature, and part of the economics of the Union was to keep the South under NY's financial district's thumb.
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Ceffer
2022 May 30, 5:43pm
Ceffer
2022 May 30, 5:43pm
Booger says
After all the trouble his pastor went to putting it up.
Meanwhile, in Poland:
https://t.me/hotptakes/1585
After all the trouble his pastor went to putting it up.
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just_passing_through
2022 May 30, 9:25pm
just_passing_through
2022 May 30, 9:25pm
Bd6r says
EXCEPT NOT IF YOU ALSO ADD PEANUT BUTTER AND CHOCOLATE!!
WORSE THAN HITLER AND TRUMP COMBINED!!
EXCEPT NOT IF YOU ALSO ADD PEANUT BUTTER AND CHOCOLATE!!
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Bd6r
2022 May 31, 8:44am
Bd6r
2022 May 31, 8:44am
RWSGFY says
@RWSGFY,
YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT ON ME. BEHOLD THE FOLLOWING UNIVERSAL UKRAINE DEBOONKER:
IF SOMEONE SAYS THAT UKRAINE IS NOT NAZI, THAT ZELENSKY IS A JEW, THAT UKRAINE IS NOT COLLAPSING, JUST USE THE ABOVE ARGUMENT. MANY ALREADY USE IT BUT IN LESS REFINED WAY.
HA-HA: NOT POSSIBLE!
@RWSGFY,
YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT ON ME. BEHOLD THE FOLLOWING UNIVERSAL UKRAINE DEBOONKER:
IF SOMEONE SAYS THAT UKRAINE IS NOT NAZI, THAT ZELENSKY IS A JEW, THAT UKRAINE IS NOT COLLAPSING, JUST USE THE ABOVE ARGUMENT. MANY ALREADY USE IT BUT IN LESS REFINED WAY.
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