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Boy with toy gun shot and killed by Calif. deputies


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2013 Oct 23, 1:21pm   28,694 views  91 comments

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Northern California sheriff's deputies have shot and killed a 13-year-old boy after repeatedly telling him to drop what turned out to be a replica assault rifle, sheriff's officials and family members said.

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/calif-sheriffs-deputies-shoot-kill-13-year-old

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32   dublin hillz   2013 Oct 24, 6:23am  

At least the story could have ended well if he were to have received a sky burial via turkey vultures devouring his corpse and releasing his soul.

33   REpro   2013 Oct 24, 7:15am  

Automan Empire says

I am no dead ringer for the cops, but in this case, what can anyone expect them to do?

Have you ever heard about warning shut into the air?

34   Moderate Infidel   2013 Oct 24, 7:22am  

A pellet gun isn't a toy it's a gun that shoots pellets that can hurt people and put eyes out.
The adult that bought a replica AK 47 for their kid to play with should be shot repeatedly in the eye with it.

35   leo707   2013 Oct 24, 7:49am  

REpro says

Automan Empire says

I am no dead ringer for the cops, but in this case, what can anyone expect them to do?

Have you ever heard about warning shut into sky?

You mean a warning shot into the air? Bullets fired into the air do come down and at times kill/injure people. Warning shots into the ground could ricochet, and also kill/injure someone. There are also issues with trying to shoot someone in the limbs.

I am hesitant to believe a cops story unless it is backed by other evidence. Until more is known, I am on the fence as to if this was a tragic accident or trigger happy cops trying to cover their tracks with a fanciful Zimmerman style story.

36   leo707   2013 Oct 24, 7:51am  

Moderate Infidel says

A pellet gun isn't a toy it's a gun that shoots pellets that can hurt people and put eyes out.

The adult that bought a replica AK 47 for their kid to play with should be shot repeatedly in the eye with it.

It sounds like it may have been an airsoft gun. Also, the gun was missing the red tip identifying it as a "toy."

37   dublin hillz   2013 Oct 24, 8:03am  

If we ever lower ourselves to take the side of a 13 year old "teen" vs a respectable member of law enforcement community, we will aid in the destruction of free market capitalism and will end up one step closer to muslim socialism. The fact that muslims fought the commies in afghanistan in the 1980s is completely irrelevant and besides the point. No commie afghan puppet graves were ever dug up and desecrated, it was a false flag planted by communists.

38   Moderate Infidel   2013 Oct 24, 8:46am  

I'm an avid gun enthusiast but toy guns that look real are incredibly irresponsible. Kids shouldn't be taught that guns are toys.

39   justme   2013 Oct 24, 9:01am  

For those who did not see the video of police shooting a completely harmless man in Dallas, I refer you to another thread

http://patrick.net/?p=1230995

40   leo707   2013 Oct 24, 9:03am  

Moderate Infidel says

I'm an avid gun enthusiast but toy guns that look real are incredibly irresponsible. Kids shouldn't be taught that guns are toys.

Yes, and from what I understand it is illegal to have a toy gun without at least a red tip -- many are made out of clear plastic, etc. (as was the hand gun tucked in this kids pants).

I don't think we know why this kids gun was missing the red tip.

41   freak80   2013 Oct 24, 12:12pm  

dublin hillz says

At least the story could have ended well if he were to have received a sky burial via turkey vultures devouring his corpse and releasing his soul.

Thus spoke Zoroaster.

42   REpro   2013 Oct 24, 12:29pm  

justme says

For those who did not see the video of police shooting a completely harmless man in Dallas, I refer you to another thread

http://patrick.net/?p=1230995

The fact that police officers are professional liars has been proofed many times.

43   Homeboy   2013 Oct 24, 3:26pm  

Quigley says

Are you saying that if a neighborhood watchman shoots a person, he is automatically guilty of murder?

Funny how you are all on the band wagon when a cop shoots a 13 year old Latino boy who hurt nobody, but you want the death penalty when a Latino man shoots an aggressively violent young black man! Aren't you even concerned about what race the policeman was?

When did I say those things? Do you perchance have me confused with someone else?

44   thomaswong.1986   2013 Oct 24, 4:43pm  

will the real AK please stand up...

Kid was told by civilian to get rid of the toy..

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sonoma-County-Deputies-Shoot-Kill-Boy-With-Toy-Assault-Rifle-228927441.html

Ismael Mondragon told NBC Bay Area that he saw Andy moments before he was killed with the gun in his hand. Mondragon said he warned the boy to get rid of such a real-looking weapon.

"I saw him with that rifle in his left hand," Mondgragon said. "And I said, 'Throw that thing away, the police are right behind you.' "

But Andy still had the rifle in his hand at 3:14 p.m. when deputies spotted him at Moorland and West Robles avenues.

45   freak80   2013 Oct 24, 10:22pm  

REpro says

The fact that police officers are professional liars has been proofed many times.

ALL of them?

46   Moderate Infidel   2013 Oct 25, 12:19am  

thomaswong.1986 says

"I saw him with that rifle in his left hand," Mondgragon said. "And I said, 'Throw that thing away, the police are right behind you.' "

But Andy still had the rifle in his hand at 3:14 p.m. when deputies spotted him at Moorland and West Robles avenues

Darwinism strikes again.

47   Robert Sproul   2013 Oct 25, 12:53am  

freak80 says

REpro says

The fact that police officers are professional liars has been proofed many times.

ALL of them?

My observation is that the dirty rotten liar rate is 100% when it comes to protecting themselves or their fellow "made men" brethren. If you are not in their gang you don't count.

48   everything   2013 Oct 25, 1:02am  

Wow, nice Chinese knock off. To bad, but the kid should have done as he was told.

I've had two cops with guns pointed at my face with fingers on triggers, believe me .. I did what I was told, which was to take my hands out of my pockets very slowly and put them over my head.

49   Robert Sproul   2013 Oct 25, 1:15am  

everything says

To bad, but the kid should have done as he was told.

I think there is a good chance he did, or tried to. I would imagine he was scared.
What should this guy have done differently to save his life?
http://patrick.net/?p=1230995

50   everything   2013 Oct 25, 2:10am  

I can see that, to scared to drop the gun, maybe being his favorite toy, possibly frozen with fear?, I can not disagree that he died thinking wtf did I do to deserve this.

Robert Sproul says

everything says

To bad, but the kid should have done as he was told.

I think there is a good chance he did, or tried to. I would imagine he was scared.

What should this guy have done differently to save his life?

http://patrick.net/?p=1230995

51   rooemoore   2013 Oct 26, 3:31am  

Well, this seems a little hinky:

A timeline released Thursday by the Santa Rosa police shows that only 10 seconds passed from the moment that the sheriff's deputy and his partner called dispatch to report a suspicious person to the moment they called back to say shots had been fired.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/26/fbi-to-investigate-shooting-of-calif-13-year-old/3231733/

52   thomaswong.1986   2013 Oct 26, 4:37am  

Robert Sproul says

My observation is that the dirty rotten liar rate is 100% when it comes to protecting themselves or their fellow "made men" brethren. If you are not in their gang you don't count.

Nuestra Familia, Santa Rosa Gangland Norte14 Norteños

http://www.youtube.com/embed/X6U75M3joJg

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.Authorities target pot grows in southwest Santa Rosa sweep
. http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120926/articles/120929653
Dozens of combat-clad police officers, deputies and federal agents swarmed a southwest Santa Rosa neighborhood Wednesday morning in the region's largest-ever operation against residential marijuana gardens.

A team of 150 law enforcement officers raided 32 homes off Moorland Avenue immediately south of the Corby Auto Mall, where the pungent smell of marijuana hung heavily in the air and backyard marijuana plants towered over fences in plain view from the street.

Law officials, who suspected gang involvement with at least some of the gardens, arrested 13 people on a variety of drug and weapons charges and seized more than 300 plants from 32 locations, said Sonoma County sheriff's Lt. Dennis O'Leary.

The raids began about 9 a.m. when FBI agents in full military gear ordered residents to leave, then rushed into their homes, most of them modest multi-plex units.

Soon the area was punctuated by the sounds of exploding flash grenades at several homes in the neighborhood, which is bordered by Highway 101 on the east and railroad tracks on the west.
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53   Moderate Infidel   2013 Oct 26, 9:30am  

Live by the (toy) gun, die by the (toy) gun.©

54   Robert Sproul   2013 Oct 26, 9:51am  

thomas wrong.1986 says

The raids began about 9 a.m. when FBI agents in full military gear ordered residents to leave, then rushed into their homes, most of them modest multi-plex units.

What is your point? That this is the same kind of overzealous, militarized, response (exclusive to minority neighborhoods) that cost the child carrying a replica gun his life?
I would agree.

55   Y   2013 Oct 26, 10:47am  

What's lost in all this blather is what dealing with the guttersnipes of the world on a daily basis will do to one's psyche. I sure would like some of the police haters here to take on their role for a couple of months and see how well you wear the stench of the world.
Robert Sproul says

freak80 says

REpro says

The fact that police officers are professional liars has been proofed many times.

ALL of them?

My observation is that the dirty rotten liar rate is 100% when it comes to protecting themselves or their fellow "made men" brethren. If you are not in their gang you don't count.

56   Robert Sproul   2013 Oct 26, 11:39am  

SoftShell says

guttersnipes

Now the kid, murdered when he walked down the street and made a couple of cops nervous, is a guttersnipe.
Nice.
SoftShell says

I sure would like some of the police haters here to take on their role for a couple of months and see how well you wear the stench of the world.

The job of enforcing the oppression of the underclass and funneling them into the largest Gulag in the world?
Not for all the money.

57   thomaswong.1986   2013 Oct 26, 12:05pm  

Robert Sproul says

What is your point? That this is the same kind of overzealous, militarized, response (exclusive to minority neighborhoods) that cost the child carrying a replica gun his life?

I would agree.

in a gang infested drug peddling neighborhood, its not a good idea to be seen walking around with anything that looks like a gun.

no wonder the civilian gave the kid a good warning to get rid of the gun he was carring.

in a gang infested drug peddling neighborhood isnt is a good idea to go after
all these armed criminals. Isnt that what needs to happen in Chicago as well.

58   Robert Sproul   2013 Oct 26, 12:59pm  

thomas wrong.1986 says

gang infested

thomas wrong.1986 says

drug peddling

thomas wrong.1986 says

armed criminals

You (and the body armored hard-ons in the picture you posted) need to calm the fuck down.
Maybe a puff of the Herbal Sacrament........

59   REpro   2013 Oct 26, 2:28pm  

The Sonoma County coroner said he found seven "apparent entry wounds," two of them fatal.

Way seven shoots, just to be sure kid be dead. One is not enough?

60   Vicente   2013 Oct 26, 3:16pm  

thomaswong.1986 says

in a gang infested drug peddling neighborhood

Moorland Avenue in Santa Rosa doesn't seem much like the Bronx.

Looking at the timeline, the shooting took place awfully goddamn fast:

"A timeline released Thursday by the Santa Rosa police shows that only 10 seconds passed from the moment that the sheriff's deputy and his partner called dispatch to report a suspicious person to the moment they called back to say shots had been fired."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/26/fbi-to-probe-deputy-shooting-california-13-year-old-with-pellet-gun/

For reference, my time on an IPSC El Presidente drill was typically 7.x seconds, on a good day in the 6.x range. That's twitching WAITING for the start, when I know I'm going to spin and draw the instant I hear the beginning of that buzzer sound. Fire 2 rounds on each of 3 targets, speed reload, fire 2 rounds again, stop.

10 seconds for all the radioing, getting out of cars, shouting commands..... yeah this probably all happened WAY too fast for 13-year old kid to comprehend.

"HUH WHAT YOU MEAN ME?"

To their unfortunate credit, they got 7 rounds on target in this very short timeframe, with 2 of them being fatal wounds. I suppose that would have been great if he'd been a spree killer or something instead of a foolish teenager.

61   Vicente   2013 Oct 26, 3:43pm  

REpro says

The Sonoma County coroner said he found seven "apparent entry wounds," two of them fatal.

7 is how many rounds hit the target. 8 were actually fired, so one shot went wild. This is quite unusual, shootings typically involve many more shots going wild. E.g. recent NYC incident where police attempted to shoot some crazy guy on the street, missed every time, and hit 2 bystanders.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/15/nypd-officers-shooting-at-crazed-guy-tak

62   Vicente   2013 Oct 26, 3:52pm  

leo707 says

Yes, and from what I understand it is illegal to have a toy gun without at least a red tip

Per this story, the red tip had broken off. Plastic toys do break. Many of the guns of my childhood had duct tape fixing broken corners. Fortunately the many neighborhood "shootouts" of my youth never involved police.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/north_bay&id=9300434

63   thomaswong.1986   2013 Oct 26, 4:25pm  

Robert Sproul says

thomas wrong.1986 says

gang infested

thomas wrong.1986 says

drug peddling

thomas wrong.1986 says

armed criminals

You (and the body armored hard-ons in the picture you posted) need to calm the fuck down.

Maybe a puff of the Herbal Sacrament........

good luck with that.... this is what happens in gang infested areas. No different had
it been Chicago with its dreadful violence.

Jimmell Cannon Shot Eight Times By Police While Allegedly Holding A BB Gun

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/jimmell-cannon-shot-eight_n_909583.html

Jimmell Cannon was in serious to critical condition late Monday night at Chicago's Stroger Hospital, as the 13-year-old was riddled with bullets -- two in the hand, two in the shoulder, four in the leg.

The 13-year-old boy, whose parents describe him as a fun-loving, "straight A-B student," wasn't the victim of gang violence or a crazed attacker. Instead, the gunmen were Chicago police officers.

According to FOX Chicago, police arrived at a park near the Piccolo Specialty School where Jimmell attends to respond to a call of shots fired. They claim Jimmell matched the description of the shooter, so they came after him. He appeared to be holding a weapon in his hand, police say, and when they asked him to lower it, he refused. When he pointed the weapon in the officers' direction, they opened fire. Apparently, eight rounds were required to subdue the 13-year-old.

Police Shoot Woman Armed with BB Gun

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130927/pilsen/police-shoot-woman-armed-with-bb-gun

PILSEN— A 19-year-old woman was shot by police after pointing a BB gun at cops Thursday in Pilsen, police said.

Police responded to a call of a "man with a gun" in the 1000 block West Cullerton Avenue around 10:40 p.m. Thursday, according to a statement from police.

64   thomaswong.1986   2013 Oct 26, 4:37pm  

Vicente says

Moorland Avenue in Santa Rosa doesn't seem much like the Bronx.

if you noticed all the LA -- NYC gangs have spread nation wide by now.

http://www.fugitive.com/tag/santa-rosa-gangs/

MICHAEL LIRA AND 13-YEAR-OLD ACCOMPLICE ARRESTED IN SANTA ROSA FOR ALLEGED HOME INVASION ROBBERY
Published by Staff Writer on April 29, 2011

http://www.fugitive.com/2011/04/29/michael-lira-and-13-year-old-accomplice-arrested-in-santa-rosa-for-alleged-home-invasion-robbery/

Two teens were arrested Thursday after allegedly breaking into a Santa Rosa home, ordering the residents to give them money, and threatening them with a gun in what appears to be a gang-related incident, police said. Michael Lira, 19, and a 13-year-old boy are suspected of breaking into a home in the 900 block of West Avenue early Thursday morning.

http://www.fugitive.com/tag/santa-rosa-gangs/

65   Y   2013 Oct 27, 12:29am  

I thought you had the intelligence to see that I was not referring to the kid, but to criminals in general.
I guess I was wrong....

Robert Sproul says

SoftShell says

guttersnipes

Now the kid, murdered when he walked down the street and made a couple of cops nervous, is a guttersnipe.

Nice.

66   Y   2013 Oct 27, 12:31am  

Precisely.
You recognize that you would most likely wind up acting just like the majority of officers in these situations.
Thanks for making my point.

Robert Sproul says

SoftShell says

I sure would like some of the police haters here to take on their role for a couple of months and see how well you wear the stench of the world.

The job of enforcing the oppression of the underclass and funneling them into the largest Gulag in the world?

Not for all the money.

67   Y   2013 Oct 27, 12:33am  

As soon as you can define a "sot", we can give you an answer....

REpro says

The Sonoma County coroner said he found seven "apparent entry wounds," two of them fatal.

Way seven sots, just to be sure kid be dead. One is not enough?

68   Y   2013 Oct 27, 12:34am  

20 to life for the parents.
They should have dumped the broken toy...

Vicente says

leo707 says

Yes, and from what I understand it is illegal to have a toy gun without at least a red tip

Per this story, the red tip had broken off. Plastic toys do break.

69   Robert Sproul   2013 Oct 27, 1:36am  

I'm telling you, you hysterical pantywaists need to calm down.

THE US CRIME RATE IS THE LOWEST IN DECADES.
In the past 20 years, for instance, the murder rate in the United States has dropped by almost half.

In the meantime the police have gone straight crazy in the pursuit of arming themselves for occupation and repression.
Really, they are who you should be scared of. When was the last time you bumped into and were victimized by the Nuestra or La Eme or the bad boy biker boogie men that the cops use to justify buying armored assault vehicles.
It is amazing to me how fearful (TERRORISTS! GANG CRIME!) you propagandized pansies are.

70   Shaman   2013 Oct 27, 1:43am  

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

Robert Sproul says

THE US CRIME RATE IS THE LOWEST IN DECADES.

In the past 20 years, for instance, the murder rate in the United States has dropped by almost half.

That's because the cops shoot everything that moves.

According to the authors of "Freakonomics" it's because of rampant abortions for inner city types being pushed throughout the 80s and 90s. Less urban youths = less crime.

71   Y   2013 Oct 27, 1:44am  

and when was the last time 99.9% of the population were shot at by the police? We can play these word games from both angles.

The police are hyped up as they should be given the frequent shootings by juveniles. And it's probably not the % of shootings, but the sensational reporting of them by the rabid liberal media that has enforcement on edge.

Robert Sproul says

In the meantime the police have gone straight crazy in the pursuit of arming themselves for occupation and repression.

Really, they are who you should be scared of. When was the last time you bumped into and were victimized by the Nuestra or La Eme or the bad boy biker boogie men that the cops use to justify buying armored assault vehicles.

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