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Dan8267 says

To prevent the GOP from filibustering everything, the Democrats need 60 seats

Actually, the senate rules can be changed.

But as long as the House is controlled by Republicans, that would only help for getting appointments through and ratifying treaties.

The House has an absolute veto on what legislation can get to the President.

Now, without the filibuster the Senate can make more PR votes to show the electorate what kind of legislation democrats would like to enact, but this is pretty inside-baseball and nobody really follows this stuff to that detail, other than people who argue on the internet all day.

The GOP savior will be Bobby Jindal. He will pick Marco Rubio as the VP. What a ticket! That will fracture the minority block like a clusterbomb!

CaptainShuddup says

Bellingham Bill says

No-government conservatism -- a return to the 19th century -- is the opposite of "progressive" and would any national candidate with that message will, in fact, never get anywhere.

Not in a system where Two parties are controlled by zealot hardliners and freethinking voters are excluded from participating in making the distinction of who ends up on the tickets. Christ what part about this travesty do you Liberals not get.

Obama was Wagged into office, he wasn't the peoples choice, he was merely presented by a group of people for another group of people to chose between him or an equally ill suited Asslot chosen by another round political cretins.

We got chose between eating a Shit sandwich or a douche, but we didn't create the grocery list nor participated in the store run.

Correct. I think Ron Paul could have equally catered to Christian voters at least on a personal level, he just didn't get supported and in fact was defamed on multiple occasions. Sure it is a bit simplistic to say he would have won, but with the right media coverage and support he could have gotten a coalition of conservative/christian and libertarian/liberal-independent voters plus some disgruntled democrats. But the way the two big juggernaut parties and the media control the political landscape, this country might be ruled by more of the same for another while.

> Christ what part about this travesty do you Liberals not get.

the part where there's clearly only 146,365 nutjobs like you in my state.

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/

you guys are big on the internet, almost non-existent at the ballot box, even when you have the full opportunity to vote as if we had IRV elections.

The state I might bail to is also interesting:

Barack Obama 55.86%
1,648,715

Mitt Romney 41.68%
1,230,033

Gary Johnson 1.31%
38,731

Jill Stein 0.64%
18,871

Virgil Goode 0.28%
8,262

1.6% of the vote -- one out of 60 voters. Good luck with that.

http://vote.wa.gov/results/current/President-Vice-President.html

edvard2 says

I see the forum this morning is ripe with a heapin' helpin' of right-wing posts as usual. So here is a special announcement:

Obama won.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...

Yeah, but rootvg never returned. At least wing-nuts like the Captain have the courage to stay here.

OK, but Gary Johnson was an exceptionally weak candidate who was not that much different from the 2 main contenders and flip-flopped on a lot of topics, e.g. he said nobody committed any crimes during the financial crisis - yeah right, why not vote for one of the 2 main stooges then? No difference.

Admittedly, had Ron Paul been on the ballot in WA, he'd have cleared 1/5th or more.

Kinda like Perot in 1992 (he got 24% of the vote).

Ron Paul did have the social conservative bona fides, but his isolationist stuff works against the big-military, pro-Israel, and pro-Empire part of conservatism, which are pretty big interest groups.

One of the strongest supporters of Republicans -- along with white evangelicals and billionaires -- is the Orthodox Jew vote, at 78% support. (and White Evangelicals and Orthodox Jews share the same love of Israel, of course)

But let's just say that Boeing workers are not that hot on Ron Paul . . .

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000100

Bellingham Bill says

Dan8267 says

To prevent the GOP from filibustering everything, the Democrats need 60 seats

Actually, the senate rules can be changed.

Oh, I'm all for that. I just don't think that's going to happen any time soon. So Democrats really needed to get 60 seats.

CaptainShuddup says

Does this mean 4 more years of Obama's follies being the Republican's fault. Those pesky republicans they wont let the Liberals do nuffin'.

If the Republicans once again deliberately sabotage the economy and work against all of American's interests simply to make the president a failure, then hell yes it does.

Dan8267 says

So Democrats really needed to get 60 seats.

and another 19 or whatever in the House.

Dan8267 says

If the Republicans once again deliberately sabotage the economy and work against all of American's interests simply to make the president a failure, then hell yes it does.

So say the voters who put them into office.. and they will be voted into office again.
If your at war with the GOP in Congress your at war with half of America who disagree
with the President Obama. That like it or not will not change.

thomaswong.1986 says

If your at war with the GOP in Congress your at war with half of America who disagree

I don't know what the hell you mean by war, but there's a huge difference between advocating alternative policies and sabotage.

The Republicans votes against their own ideas, not for the sake of policy, but just to make sure that the economy was terrible under Obama. The deliberately harmed the country in order to improve their chances of winning the 2012 presidential election.

The Republican plan was "Obama must fail at any cost and it's okay to destroy the country to accomplish this goal". That is why I have no respect for the Republican senators and representatives.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/TRQ2Y85XrKo

Mitch McConnel's comment was no different than what you heard from Tip O'Neill, or any other opposition party. At least the GOP does know how to negotiate vs Obama who throws in changes after some concession was agreed to, thus killing any deal.

The GOP are doing what WE THE PEOPLE have told them to do. If your at war with them you are war with the other 50% of Americans.

You guys are missing the point. The Independent Candidate not running on either Party ticket are not the Independent votes I'm talking about. Most registered voters registered as NPA aren't registered for only those parties running on the Independent ticket. We'll vote Repubilcan or Demcorat for the right candidates. The right candidates are the ones that always gets the early buzz, and most people concur that person would be a game changer, but then they say.

"Oh Ron Paul will never get the nod, he's not conservative enough the Right will never nominate him."
Or
"Oh Kusinich will never get the Nod, he's not Liberal enough."

You know who would nominate these people, the NPA registered voters. Well why don't they vote for them in the primaries then? Well because the primaries are closed to non party members. That goes for the Republican party and the Democratic party candidates.

This isn't about how the Liberal or Republican party Votes, it's about how 38% of the Country doesn't get to participate in the most important part of the whole Presidential choosing process.

But that will change, and so will election expectations. America being ran by the Idiot far left and right, is ruining this country. The middle needs to commandeer the vehicle before those fighting clowns in the front seat wrecks this shit.

Melmakian says

errc says

I'm just going by what he posted. He said recently that his mommy was a stupid teabagger

Maybe he has issues with the Right because his Mommy abused him.

Or maybe he just thinks you're full of shit.

E-man says

Do you guys work? If you work for my company, I would have fired your ass.

The companies I've worked for have always been extremely pleased with my work. I get done more in a day than most people do in a week. And the last thing you want to do is fire someone as good as me. I might end up working for your competitors.

In any case, my long rants are saved for nights and weekends. Taking a short break during lunch or between tasks actually makes people more productive. It keeps the mind active and alert.

E-man says

Do you guys work? If you work for my company, I would have fired your ass. You guys spend all day arguing instead of working. That's not very productive for the economy, and it's not fair to your company.

Jesus Christ.

You have never heard of multi-tasking? A lot of smart people can get a lot done very quick and make it look so easy. Then you get a "slower" one or a fake one and they toil, work hard, always slipping, wanting more hours, more resources and still never catching up, blaming everyone else.

E-man says

Can you multi-tasks when you're "lost and confused"? LOL!

If you & Dan are that productive. Carry on and ignore me. :)

Same old-ad hominem nonsense , but don't respond to the substance.

E-man says

Can you multi-tasks

These queries don't run them selves. I've got to do something while the indexes rebuild.