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Capital Gains Tax


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2023 Jan 31, 12:33pm   362 views  8 comments

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From https://www.gocurrycracker.com/start-here/ I learned that there is zero federal tax on capital gains up to $80K, so if you get all your income from capital gains and live in a state with no income tax, you pay no income tax at all. California, sadly, does have a capital gains tax.

But what happens above $80K? I think that the federal tax is then 15% on the amount over $80K up to some very large amount like $500K.

A user says there might be a hard cutoff and that if you make $80K plus one dollar, then you pay 15% on the whole $80,001. I doubt it, but does anyone here know for sure?

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1   mell   2023 Jan 31, 12:37pm  

It's $89250 now for married filing jointly, $89,251 – $553,850 for 15%, 20% above that. It sounds to me like this is the case which is interesting as it surely will make people optimize the amount so they stay under the threshold, whichever one they are aiming for. There are still a few states without cap. gains tax, so if you move there and pay of all your running bills that you can (mortgage etc.) and prepay any other bills that allow it (rent, utilities), you could pretty much coast on little to no taxes while maximizing the value of your earned money. I'm surprised nobody on patnet is doing that yet and reporting on it.
2   stereotomy   2023 Jan 31, 1:00pm  

The only problem here is that there's still a 30% collectibles tax on gold bullion. Unlike land and stocks (and possibly bonds depending on interest rate trends), gold is the most compact and non-taxed asset there is.
3   REpro   2023 Jan 31, 1:04pm  

I prefer dividends, are better to manage. Have same treatment by tax as capital gain.
4   Eric Holder   2023 Jan 31, 1:48pm  

stereotomy says

The only problem here is that there's still a 30% collectibles tax on gold bullion. Unlike land and stocks (and possibly bonds depending on interest rate trends), gold is the most compact and non-taxed asset there is.


The second sentence contradicts the first.
5   ForcedTQ   2023 Jan 31, 1:52pm  

REpro says

I prefer dividends, are better to manage. Have same treatment by tax as capital gain.


Wait, then why am I paying tax on these as ordinary income? I get a 1099 for them and it has to be added into gross income? No?
6   Patrick   2023 Jan 31, 2:24pm  

stereotomy says

The only problem here is that there's still a 30% collectibles tax on gold bullion. Unlike land and stocks (and possibly bonds depending on interest rate trends), gold is the most compact and non-taxed asset there is.


@stereotomy I see what you mean.

Gains on collectibles held for one year or less are taxed as ordinary income—the same tax treatment as short-term capital gains (STCGs). Gains on collectibles held more than one year are taxed as ordinary income, except the maximum collectibles tax rate is 28% (Sec. 1(h)(4)). The 28% maximum collectibles tax rate is sharply higher than the 15% long-term capital gain (LTCG) rate that applies to most other assets..


https://www.journalofaccountancy.com/issues/2015/jan/investing-in-gold-tax-considerations.html

Clearly someone prefers that you don't own gold.

The ultimate solution is a complete elimination of income tax and sales tax to be replaced with a land value tax instead, meaning Georgism.
7   REpro   2023 Jan 31, 3:15pm  

ForcedTQ says

REpro says


I prefer dividends, are better to manage. Have same treatment by tax as capital gain.


Wait, then why am I paying tax on these as ordinary income? I get a 1099 for them and it has to be added into gross income? No?


Ordinary tax is for dividend from stock held less than required holding period or nonqualified (e.g., foreign corp.) dividend.
You may also have dividend in category as capital return (nontaxable at all).
8   clambo   2023 Jan 31, 3:49pm  

You will begin to owe obamacare $ if your income is above $25,000 (I forget the exact figure).
I recall one year I owed $8000 for my Obamacare Bronze because I had too much income.
All of the good tax rates are disappearing in 2025.
I'm so pissed off about taxes; I guess I'm a kook and take it to an extreme maybe.
I can afford California but I won't go back.
I recommend 1. Max out Roth IRA 2. Max out Health Savings Account 3. Vanguard Tax Managed Capital appreciation fund 4. Variable Annuity if you can get one from TIAA or similar; Vanguard stopped selling them.
1-4 above have no required minimum distribution; my annuity contact says take payments after age 99.

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