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My HR Rep Just Told Me Vaccines Aren't Medicine


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2021 Sep 8, 12:29pm   7,829 views  75 comments

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"Hi Nuttboxer,
I hope you're having a great week so far! I still have not received a check-in from you regarding your COVID-19 Vaccination status. Would I be able to schedule a meeting with you this week to verify your status? Let me know what day works best for you!

NuttBoxer 10:51 AM
Hi Catbert,
I don't feel comfortable disclosing personal medical information.

Catbert 11:11 AM
Hi Nuttboxer. We don't need your medical record, we just some verification that you are vaccinated. The myvaccinerecord or the Clear app only displays whether you are vaccinated or not, it does not disclose any medical information.

Nuttboxer 11:12 AM
I'm confused, I thought a vaccination was a medical treatment for a specific disease?

Catbert 11:23 AM
Vaccines are used to prepare the body's immune system to fight infections that are in the body. Treatments are more along the lines classified as a way to help someone that is already been sick with a virus or infection.

Nuttboxer 11:24 AM
Sorry, you're right I used the wrong term. But you're saying a vaccine is not medicine? (edited)
11:26
I'm just really unclear on how vaccine status does not constitute sharing personal medical information. It's administered by a medical professional, in a medical location, for prevention of disease.

Catbert 11:26 AM
I dont think so because usually, medicine is given to a patient who is already ill or experiencing symptoms. Medicine would be considered as a form of treatment

Nuttboxer 11:27 AM
So anything preventative is not medical?
11:28
What about pap smears? Or blood tests to check for HIV? This is all non-medical information? Physicals?
11:30
According to this medical dictionary, vaccines are medicine, and this lines up with everything I've ever heard from my doctor:
https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/vaccination

TheFreeDictionary.comTheFreeDictionary.com
vaccination
Definition of vaccination in the Medical Dictionary by The Free Dictionary (33 kB)

Catbert 12:29 PM
Hey Nuttboxer. I am a little confused at the moment. Is the concern more along the lines of verifying your vaccination status or getting the actual vaccine?

Nuttboxer 12:31 PM
Sorry Catbert,
To be clear I'm not comfortable disclosing personal medical information.

Catbert 12:33 PM
Hey no worries. I just wanted to make sure we are on the same page. Do you have a couple of minutes today to jump on a zoom call to discuss this in order for me to get a better understanding?

Nuttboxer 12:38 PM
We can certainly chat, but I'm not sure what more I can add to help you understand my position on health and privacy.
12:38
Are you ok if I record the call?
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55   NuttBoxer   2021 Sep 18, 1:30pm  

@FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut definitely, @Patrick has my email.
56   Onvacation   2021 Sep 18, 1:48pm  

NuttBoxer says
@FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut definitely, @Patrick has my email.

Find a lawyer to do it on contingency, if you can.

My experience with lawyers is "Justice will cost you money".
57   Ceffer   2021 Sep 18, 1:53pm  

Onvacation says
My experience with lawyers is "Justice will cost you money".

When I did my own lawsuit, I had two lawyers up against me. One for the lawsuit against me, and one defending my countersuit.
They would start at the first of the month, burn up their contingency fee in about eight days, then no news until the first of the next month to burn up the next one. I would send them letters thanking them for fleecing their client for me.
58   NuttBoxer   2021 Sep 20, 5:30pm  

Wrongful termination lawyers typically take their fees from the winnings. But that means they need some assurance they will win. Spoke to one lawyer today who said he doesn't know which way my case would go due to me being remote. So he wasn't willing to take the case. He did say to keep checking, but starting to think if I can't get a big non-profit to take it, my chances of getting representation might not be good.
59   mell   2021 Sep 20, 6:05pm  

NuttBoxer says
Spoke to one lawyer today who said he doesn't know which way my case would go due to me being remote


That doesn't make any sense. Find a different lawyer, not a moron. Of course nobody can say which way your case is going to go, but being remote can only be a big plus for your case. Pay them a retainer to start with, do not go with those who only take a cut of the fees as they're mainly taking sure shots only. Heck it is very likely that osha, if and when it drafts the rule, will specifically exempt remote employees.
60   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2021 Sep 20, 7:48pm  

https://cdiglaw.com/attorneys/james-m-lloyd/

He does vaccine discrimination and opt outs. Also defended restaurants from lockdowns. Really good guy.
61   NuttBoxer   2021 Sep 20, 9:24pm  

Will give him a call tomorrow. I've got another firm I just did intake for today, and another lawyer who said to follow back up with him tomorrow. Plus the 50 or so I emailed since Friday...
62   NuttBoxer   2021 Sep 28, 1:03pm  

Had one firm take a really good look at my case, but they ended up passing. Ended up taking the severance. Yes, what was done is totally illegal, but so is almost everything about covid. We can't change the system from within, and the courts are very much within the system. I'd still encourage others to pursue all viable means of resistance. At least I kept my medical information private, and made them fire me, and collected severance.

On the bright side, I just got an offer for 13% over what I was making, double the bonus, and I get to focus more on the tools and testing I really enjoy. Also picked up a side gig while I'm off, so all in all, getting three weeks paid vacation on my old employer, unemployment, and three weeks of double pay.

Really appreciate everyone's support, you all made getting fired so much easier to deal with, thank you.
63   PeopleUnited   2021 Sep 28, 1:14pm  

Glad to hear it @Nuttboxer

Turns out it is likely a blessing in disguise! And kudos again for standing up for your rights. We all can learn a lesson from your example.
64   NuttBoxer   2021 Sep 28, 1:24pm  

Thanks! It was definitely a bit easier knowing we had some flex to absorb a job loss. And very blessed to have such a quick turn-around. I didn't even have to negotiate, they just offered me the top of my range. God really blessed me on this, and my network totally came through! Really feel for those who aren't in as great position, glad I could add my small contribution to the fight.
65   AmericanKulak   2021 Sep 28, 3:48pm  

Glad to hear you stood by your guns AND turned that lemon into lemonade, @NuttBoxer

Victory is sweet!
66   Bd6r   2021 Sep 28, 3:52pm  

NuttBoxer says
On the bright side, I just got an offer for 13% over what I was making, double the bonus, and I get to focus more on the tools and testing I really enjoy. Also picked up a side gig while I'm off, so all in all, getting three weeks paid vacation on my old employer, unemployment, and three weeks of double pay.

Very happy it worked out for you @Nuttboxer!
67   Onvacation   2021 Sep 28, 8:33pm  

HunterTits says
I'd look around for a lawyer.

Yeah, let's round all them lawyers up and put them on a cruise ship.
68   WookieMan   2021 Sep 28, 9:01pm  

HunterTits says
But you can still sue the old employer. I'd look around for a lawyer. The outcome is worth millions, potentially.

Yup. Does depend if you signed something and what that documents says you agreed to, i.e not suing them, but I'd keep going after them if you can.

My wife got knocked out by a door that fell off its tracks in a bar, for work. She was knocked out and had to go to the ER. I wasn't there and we're not litigious people, but their FB page was bragging about a good night. They had her info and another clients info that had to take her to the ER. No call. I blew them up on Facebook. We didn't sue, but ended up with $5k. Should have been more, but like I said we're not like that. It was more of a principle thing in that they didn't acknowledge or even care a customer paying an $800 bar bill had to go to the ER because they didn't take care of their shit.
69   Patrick   2021 Sep 28, 10:08pm  

HunterTits says
Good for you @Nuttboxer. But you can still sue the old employer. I'd look around for a lawyer. The outcome is worth millions, potentially.


And I think it's morally the right thing to do to go after those millions.

Your basic human rights were violated, and it would benefit a lot of people if employers were encouraged to be a little more cautious about violating human rights.
70   NuttBoxer   2021 Oct 18, 2:31pm  

Just read through my new companies scamdemic requirements, and while I'm not too happy about the mask mandate for all employees in the office, they specifically state they will not require anyone to get the shot. And they are a large healthcare related corporation.
71   Booger   2021 Oct 18, 2:35pm  

NuttBoxer says
I'm not too happy about the mask mandate for all employees in the office,


Those disposable masks aren't too bad once you have removed the filter.
72   porkchopXpress   2021 Oct 18, 2:37pm  

This is why I switched to a fully remote gig. They have a harder time justifying mandates and OSHA can’t force it either when you’re not in an office
73   NuttBoxer   2021 Oct 18, 2:50pm  

Booger says
Those disposable masks aren't too bad once you have removed the filter.


I talked about this before. I won't wear them anymore, ever. It's degrading, and there's no job worth degrading myself as a human being for. Fortunately I'm several states away, so no chance I'll be coming in anytime soon. And as I know masks don't protect me, if I was asked to come in masked up, I'd refuse citing personal safety concerns.
74   Bd6r   2021 Oct 18, 3:13pm  

NuttBoxer says
talked about this before. I won't wear them anymore, ever. It's degrading, and there's no job worth degrading myself as a human being for. Fortunately I'm several states away, so no chance I'll be coming in anytime soon. And as I know masks don't protect me, if I was asked to come in masked up, I'd refuse citing personal safety concerns.

Exactly - mask mandates are degrading, as in you fucking serfs wear a mask while we, the ruling class, will do what we please.
75   NuttBoxer   2023 Jan 18, 8:56pm  

So the state clawed back my unemployment saying I was fired for not complying with lawful directions. I appealed, and just got the paperwork on my claim today. It includes everything, even that the state received info from my former employer contesting my unemployment. In direct violation of my severance agreement with them. Contacted a lawyer, will see where this goes as I now have documented proof of severance violation from the state of California.

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